British soldier executes Afghan insurgent.

[The UK in Exile]

Well that would also be unlawful, so no.

I wouldn't care a bit.

Which is why it's not up to you.

[The High Guardians]

Lets not forget the Taliban ideology is on par with German Fascism?

Lets not forget that this would have been illegal to do to nazi soldiers as well (as it should have been).

Huge misconception here, most crimes committed by the Germans...were not crimes under German law. Which caused used controversy and pays credence to the Russian policy shooting said Nazi soldiers on the spot. You cannot charge someone with a crime which doesn't exist within a framework.

[Fordorsia]

Holy shit, did no one read the comment I made? He fucking murdered someone. Murder is illegal internationally. It does not need to become such a heated debate, or even a debate at all. He killed an unarmed man who posed no threat, and he and those with him kept it to themselves until what they did was discovered. That's not only illegal, but cowardly. Nothing else needs to be said.

They should shoot that soldier... The stress is no excuse for such behavior in any way. I hope he will remain along time in jail.

So, you want him to be shot and be in jail for a long time? I wouldn't want to be his cell mate.

[Person012345]

Lets not forget that this would have been illegal to do to nazi soldiers as well (as it should have been).

Huge misconception here, most crimes committed by the Germans...were not crimes under German law. Which caused used controversy and pays credence to the Russian policy shooting said Nazi soldiers on the spot. You cannot charge someone with a crime which doesn't exist within a framework.

Germany was Signatory to the Hague Conventions weren't they? And they took the view that non-signatories like russia didn't deserve the same protections didn't they? Which is precisely why these laws need to be implemented and upheld even from a nationalistic "I don't care about dem ebil foreigners" view, because by not following them you;'re putting your own soldiers and people at risk - The eastern front of world war two was pretty much the most brutal in history.

I may be remembering wrong, but somehow I remember that was the case.

[The High Guardians]

Huge misconception here, most crimes committed by the Germans...were not crimes under German law. Which caused used controversy and pays credence to the Russian policy shooting said Nazi soldiers on the spot. You cannot charge someone with a crime which doesn't exist within a framework.

Germany was Signatory to the Hague Conventions weren't they? And they took the view that non-signatories like russia didn't deserve the same protections didn't they? Which is precisely why these laws need to be implemented and upheld even from a nationalistic "I don't care about dem ebil foreigners" view, because by not following them you;'re putting your own soldiers and people at risk - The eastern front of world war two was pretty much the most brutal in history.

I may be remembering wrong, but somehow I remember that was the case.

Can we stop putting comparing the Taliban to professional soldiers? The Taliban are rapists, murderers and suppressers of all civil liberties for women. Also can we stop saying the insurgent was unarmed, his weapon was right next to him.

[Nadkor]

Lets not forget that this would have been illegal to do to nazi soldiers as well (as it should have been).

Huge misconception here, most crimes committed by the Germans...were not crimes under German law. Which caused used controversy and pays credence to the Russian policy shooting said Nazi soldiers on the spot. You cannot charge someone with a crime which doesn't exist within a framework.

I was going to reply to this, but I can't. I just can't.

[The High Guardians]

Huge misconception here, most crimes committed by the Germans...were not crimes under German law. Which caused used controversy and pays credence to the Russian policy shooting said Nazi soldiers on the spot. You cannot charge someone with a crime which doesn't exist within a framework.

I was going to reply to this, but I can't. I just can't.

Please don't take this as I don't think what they did was evil. What the Germans did was evil, as was the Russian army.

[Fordorsia]

Germany was Signatory to the Hague Conventions weren't they? And they took the view that non-signatories like russia didn't deserve the same protections didn't they? Which is precisely why these laws need to be implemented and upheld even from a nationalistic "I don't care about dem ebil foreigners" view, because by not following them you;'re putting your own soldiers and people at risk - The eastern front of world war two was pretty much the most brutal in history.

I may be remembering wrong, but somehow I remember that was the case.

Can we stop putting comparing the Taliban to professional soldiers? The Taliban are rapists, murderers and suppressers of all civil liberties for women. Also can we stop saying the insurgent was unarmed, his weapon was right next to him.

I guess by that logic "unarmed" isn't a word. I find it hard to believe that Marines would be so stupid as to leave it next to him.

Then again, they filmed themselves murder someone.

[The High Guardians]

Can we stop putting comparing the Taliban to professional soldiers? The Taliban are rapists, murderers and suppressers of all civil liberties for women. Also can we stop saying the insurgent was unarmed, his weapon was right next to him.

I guess by that logic "unarmed" isn't a word. I find it hard to believe that Marines would be so stupid as to leave it next to him.

Then again, they filmed themselves murder someone.

The insurgent had been in a fire fight against said marines, he probably dropped it when the Apache gunship laced him with a few rounds. Are you guys even reading battle reports or just judging?

[Person012345]

Germany was Signatory to the Hague Conventions weren't they? And they took the view that non-signatories like russia didn't deserve the same protections didn't they? Which is precisely why these laws need to be implemented and upheld even from a nationalistic "I don't care about dem ebil foreigners" view, because by not following them you;'re putting your own soldiers and people at risk - The eastern front of world war two was pretty much the most brutal in history.

I may be remembering wrong, but somehow I remember that was the case.

Can we stop putting comparing the Taliban to professional soldiers? The Taliban are rapists, murderers and suppressers of all civil liberties for women. Also can we stop saying the insurgent was unarmed, his weapon was right next to him.

You're the one who compared them to nazis.

And no, not all taliban soldiers are. This has been explained several times. Many are just human beings who are fighting against the foreign murderers and don't have anywhere else to turn to. You feed them by killing civilians with drones and bombs. America is a gigantic civilian murderer in Afghanistan and along the pakistan border.

Besides which that's just an irrelevant rant that doesn't address the point.

[Person012345]

I guess by that logic "unarmed" isn't a word. I find it hard to believe that Marines would be so stupid as to leave it next to him.

Then again, they filmed themselves murder someone.

The insurgent had been in a fire fight against said marines, he probably dropped it when the Apache gunship laced him with a few rounds. Are you guys even reading battle reports or just judging?

The video footage shows the insurgent, who had been wounded in a helicopter attack, being dragged across a field. Marine A is seen shooting the man in the chest with a pistol.

It's pretty hard to have your gun next to you when being "dragged across a field", unless the marines dragged his gun with him, in which case they clearly didn't consider it an issue.

They were treating the wounded man. He wasn't an imminent threat.

[The UK in Exile]

Lets not forget that this would have been illegal to do to nazi soldiers as well (as it should have been).

Huge misconception here, most crimes committed by the Germans...were not crimes under German law. Which caused used controversy and pays credence to the Russian policy shooting said Nazi soldiers on the spot. You cannot charge someone with a crime which doesn't exist within a framework.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nacht_und_Nebel

The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg held that the disappearances committed as part of the Nacht und Nebel program were war crimes which violated both the Hague Conventions and customary international law.

[The High Guardians]

Can we stop putting comparing the Taliban to professional soldiers? The Taliban are rapists, murderers and suppressers of all civil liberties for women. Also can we stop saying the insurgent was unarmed, his weapon was right next to him.

You're the one who compared them to nazis.

And no, not all taliban soldiers are. This has been explained several times. Many are just human beings who are fighting against the foreign murderers and don't have anywhere else to turn to. You feed them by killing civilians with drones and bombs. America is a gigantic civilian murderer in Afghanistan and along the pakistan border.

Besides which that's just an irrelevant rant that doesn't address the point.

Woah woah, hang on there anti-western media gauntlet. Have you read the R.O.G for NATO troops? They are strict, if someone opens up on them and then runs around the corner with their rifle now hidden somewhere, they can't engage? That's a prime example that has lead to many casualties.

[Person012345]

You're the one who compared them to nazis.

And no, not all taliban soldiers are. This has been explained several times. Many are just human beings who are fighting against the foreign murderers and don't have anywhere else to turn to. You feed them by killing civilians with drones and bombs. America is a gigantic civilian murderer in Afghanistan and along the pakistan border.

Besides which that's just an irrelevant rant that doesn't address the point.

Woah woah, hang on there anti-western media gauntlet. Have you read the R.O.G for NATO troops? They are strict, if someone opens up on them and then runs around the corner with their rifle now hidden somewhere, they can't engage? That's a prime example that has lead to many casualties.

What relevance does this have?

[Limborg]

Holy shit, did no one read the comment I made? He fucking murdered someone. Murder is illegal internationally. It does not need to become such a heated debate, or even a debate at all. He killed an unarmed man who posed no threat, and he and those with him kept it to themselves until what they did was discovered. That's not only illegal, but cowardly. Nothing else needs to be said.

They should shoot that soldier... The stress is no excuse for such behavior in any way. I hope he will remain along time in jail.

So, you want him to be shot and be in jail for a long time? I wouldn't want to be his cell mate.

I meant one of the two

[The High Guardians]

Woah woah, hang on there anti-western media gauntlet. Have you read the R.O.G for NATO troops? They are strict, if someone opens up on them and then runs around the corner with their rifle now hidden somewhere, they can't engage? That's a prime example that has lead to many casualties.

What relevance does this have?

fighting against the foreign murderers and don't have anywhere else to turn to

Source for comment?

[Limborg]

Germany was Signatory to the Hague Conventions weren't they? And they took the view that non-signatories like russia didn't deserve the same protections didn't they? Which is precisely why these laws need to be implemented and upheld even from a nationalistic "I don't care about dem ebil foreigners" view, because by not following them you;'re putting your own soldiers and people at risk - The eastern front of world war two was pretty much the most brutal in history.

I may be remembering wrong, but somehow I remember that was the case.

Can we stop putting comparing the Taliban to professional soldiers? The Taliban are rapists, murderers and suppressers of all civil liberties for women. Also can we stop saying the insurgent was unarmed, his weapon was right next to him.

"The Taliban are rapists, murderers" So are "professional" soldiers...

[Soldati Senza Confini]

What relevance does this have?

fighting against the foreign murderers and don't have anywhere else to turn to

Source for comment?

To be perfectly frank, calling him a "Anti-Western media gauntlet" when we all know Western media is biased as fuck is not helping you in any way, shape, or form.

I see his point. Plenty of the Taliban think we're "evil murderers" and even some other countries compare us to be the greatest assholes in this half of the hemisphere. It isn't something open for discussion whether or not we are, historically we have been. Also, let's not forget in Vietnam our US Troops were worse than the Taliban towards the Vietnamese, breaking several conventions of war and several human rights in the middle of war.

Many people from the Taliban are just there simply because they feel it's their duty to defend the values of their Middle Eastern lands against Western invasion, some others do it for religious reasons, some others do it because they are truly evil. But to put them all as evil people is a gross generalization.

[Souseiseki]

fighting against the foreign murderers and don't have anywhere else to turn to

Source for comment?

To be perfectly frank, calling him a "Anti-Western media gauntlet" when we all know Western media is biased as fuck is not helping you in any way, shape, or form.

I see his point. Plenty of the Taliban think we're "evil murderers" and even some other countries compare us to be the greatest assholes in this half of the hemisphere. It isn't something open for discussion whether or not we are, historically we have been. Also, let's not forget in Vietnam our US Troops were worse than the Taliban towards the Vietnamese, breaking several conventions of war and several human rights in the middle of war.

Many people from the Taliban are just there simply because they feel it's their duty to defend the values of their Middle Eastern lands against Western invasion, some others do it for religious reasons, some others do it because they are truly evil. But to put them all as evil people is a gross generalization.

last time i checked 90% of afghanistan has no idea what a "nine eleven" is and some of them actually legit think we're russians (in disguise or otherwise)

[Person012345]

What relevance does this have?

fighting against the foreign murderers and don't have anywhere else to turn to

Source for comment?

It's difficult to assess because the US assumes ALL military age males killed in a drone strike area were militants, regardless of whether they were or not and "In an interview in October 2013, one former drone operator said that it was unofficial policy to describe children killed in strikes as either slain animals or to not report their deaths at all in mission assessments". However, even going with the assumption that every military age male in an area is a militant (which is patently absurd), on drone strikes in Pakistan, "The Bureau of Investigative Journalism, based on extensive research in mid-2011, claims that at least 385 civilians were among the dead, including more than 160 children".

The general feeling in pakistan (along the border) is that the drones target civilians more than they do militants. Regardless of how true this is, it fuels them to join the taliban and fight america, whom they see as murderers.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

To be perfectly frank, calling him a "Anti-Western media gauntlet" when we all know Western media is biased as fuck is not helping you in any way, shape, or form.

I see his point. Plenty of the Taliban think we're "evil murderers" and even some other countries compare us to be the greatest assholes in this half of the hemisphere. It isn't something open for discussion whether or not we are, historically we have been. Also, let's not forget in Vietnam our US Troops were worse than the Taliban towards the Vietnamese, breaking several conventions of war and several human rights in the middle of war.

Many people from the Taliban are just there simply because they feel it's their duty to defend the values of their Middle Eastern lands against Western invasion, some others do it for religious reasons, some others do it because they are truly evil. But to put them all as evil people is a gross generalization.

last time i checked 90% of afghanistan has no idea what a "nine eleven" is and some of them actually legit think we're russians (in disguise or otherwise)

Now, I am not sure if this is sarcasm or not

[The UK in Exile]

last time i checked 90% of afghanistan has no idea what a "nine eleven" is and some of them actually legit think we're russians (in disguise or otherwise)

Now, I am not sure if this is sarcasm or not

ISAF has a huge number of nations present in it. I wouldn't be suprised if a number of american troops think there are russians fighting in afghanistan.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Now, I am not sure if this is sarcasm or not

ISAF has a huge number of nations present in it. I wouldn't be suprised if a number of american troops think there are russians fighting in afghanistan.

You know? I wouldn't be surprised either. And I wouldn't be surprised that the Afghans thought that we're Russians either now that I think of it in the eyes of the Afghans and their past experience with Russia.

[Person012345]

[Risottia]

I've maintained my argument without thus far acknowledging operation whatever, or accepting your attempt to change the direction of the conversation.

What you're trying to do isn't clever; in fact it's pretty transparent.

Now, the IRA. Let's have your surely well-informed opinion on why they weren't civilians.

They fought.
Against the laws of war, to boot.

How are they still afforded a status as civilians when they take up weapons and fight an insurgency?
They become irregular militias.

An irregular militia is nowhere defined.
There are militias - as in civilians taking up arms, WEARING AN IDENTIFICATION SIGN, and fighting - who are legal combatants and must be treated exactly as soldiers.
There are bandits - as in civilians taking up arms, NOT WEARING ANY KIND OF IDENTIFICATION, and fighting: those are common criminals, and it isn't up to the military to prosecute common criminals.