Single-payer universal healthcare in Vermont

[Greed and Death]

See, this is how I'd rather universal healthcare be introduced in the US.

A state-by-stae measure, so voters, and more importantly, the American Right, can't bitch and whine about how it won't work because it hasn't been tried in America before.

Goo on Vermont. Lets hope the rest of the Eastern Seaboard follow suit if it works out.

You'd rather it be introduced piecemeal with lots of differing regulations and not enough funding to make it work?

Canada has it providence by providence, it works fine.

I think one of the things holding back the democrats is they tend insist everything be done nationally, despite a large potion of the world using regional administered systems.

[The Scientific States]

That's a pleasant surprise.

[The Serbian Empire]

It's also got wide gun rights. I swear it's the equal of the Czech Republic.

Concealed carry at age 16 without a permit.

Yeah Vermont is Libertarian paradise nice gun rights, a single payer system reflecting the natural monopoly.

It is liberally like I were dictator of the state.

I think it resembles a paradise to me much like the Czech Republic. The problem is the US federal government still overpowers Vermont on many things.

[Celritannia]

Horrible. Surely this must be unconstitutional?

How so?

[The Serbian Empire]

Horrible. Surely this must be unconstitutional?

How so?

It might be unconstitutional at the federal level, but states can do a lot of things the Feds cannot. This might be one of those things.

[Partybus]

Maybe I shouldn't go there then.

You do not like guns?
That is an offense.

Guards send him to the lowest level of the Vermont state prison.

Good idea, but they're pretty much full-up...prisoners are being housed out of state as it is...

But, as a Vermont resident (not a Vermonter BTW) I approve of this move...I will be better off even if only by 25$ per month, which could be spent on better things...like drugs

[Celritannia]

How so?

It might be unconstitutional at the federal level, but states can do a lot of things the Feds cannot. This might be one of those things.

Which is a good thing.

Plus, though I do support UHC, I think logistically it is more important for each state to control a UHC system.

[Lackadaisical2]

It will certainly be interesting to see the effects of this on the cost of healthcare to those in Vermont. If there are significant drops in cost for the people of Vermont, then I might even be for it nationally, given the current alternative.

EDIT:

new cost controls in an effort to move away from a system in which the more procedures doctors and hospitals perform, the more they get paid, to one in which providers have a set budget to care for a set number of patients.

This is probably more important than the fact that its universal healthcare. We've known for years that we've been poorly incentivizing the healthcare industry, encouraging more to be done than is necessary.

[The Scientific States]

Horrible. Surely this must be unconstitutional?

No, it's not. You're not American, don't say "Unconstitutional" when you haven't learned about our constitution.

[Risottia]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/26/vermont-health-care_n_4166221.html

I wasn't aware of this, but this is really cool. Vermont is planning to launch the nation's first universal healthcare system in 2017. I'd much prefer this kind of stuff to being forced to buy from private health insurance companies. Thoughts?

It's clear part of the Vermont-Québec plan to secede and to join the Evil Homeland Of Eurosissy Oppressive UnAmerican Nannystatism Previously Known As France.

[Arcadonisia]

Finally. Sense and reason finally comes the the good ol' USA.

[Sommorragh]

Lets not forget that it costs money. How will this affect Vermont's taxes and desirability as a state going forward?

It's also got wide gun rights. I swear it's the equal of the Czech Republic.

I was under the impression that Vermont did not suffer from obscene corruption and soviet-style communist sympathy in rural areas.

[Knowlandia]

Vermont is so great, I've wanted to move their for so long but they don't have jobs in my field.

[Southern Babylonia]

Fantastic. Vermont, we've been waiting for you.

We will teach you to master the power of the Canadian side. Now, slay your American father, and your transition shall be complete.

/butcheringofstarwarsquotes

[Neo Rome Republic]

WHOO!!! Go Vermont!!!

[Aperonia]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/26/vermont-health-care_n_4166221.html

I wasn't aware of this, but this is really cool. Vermont is planning to launch the nation's first universal healthcare system in 2017. I'd much prefer this kind of stuff to being forced to buy from private health insurance companies. Thoughts?

Excellent!

[Vareiln]

I like the sound of this. May need to see if I could potentially live in Vermont in the near future.

[Christian Democrats]

Whatever. As long as you don't try to impose it on the rest of us.

Personally, I would like to see a private system with government subsidies for the poor and price controls. I think employer-provided health insurance should be eliminated and that all health insurance policies should be purchased on an individual or family basis, like car insurance or home insurance. Furthermore, all states should ensure that all minors have health coverage.

[Aperonia]

Whatever. As long as you don't try to impose it on the rest of us.

Personally, I would like to see a private system with government subsidies for the poor and price controls. I think employer-provided health insurance should be eliminated and that all health insurance policies should be purchased on an individual or family basis, like car insurance or home insurance. Furthermore, all states should ensure that all minors have health coverage.

What's wrong with universal healthcare?

[Threlizdun]

Whatever. As long as you don't try to impose it on the rest of us.

Personally, I would like to see a private system with government subsidies for the poor and price controls. I think employer-provided health insurance should be eliminated and that all health insurance policies should be purchased on an individual or family basis, like car insurance or home insurance. Furthermore, all states should ensure that all minors have health coverage.

I thought you were a fiscal conservative? Surely you would want the state to go with the cost-effective solution of universal healthcare as opposed to the tremendous waste in what you just advocated?

[Christian Democrats]

Whatever. As long as you don't try to impose it on the rest of us.

Personally, I would like to see a private system with government subsidies for the poor and price controls. I think employer-provided health insurance should be eliminated and that all health insurance policies should be purchased on an individual or family basis, like car insurance or home insurance. Furthermore, all states should ensure that all minors have health coverage.

What's wrong with universal healthcare?

I do want universal healthcare -- via a private system.

[Christian Democrats]

Whatever. As long as you don't try to impose it on the rest of us.

Personally, I would like to see a private system with government subsidies for the poor and price controls. I think employer-provided health insurance should be eliminated and that all health insurance policies should be purchased on an individual or family basis, like car insurance or home insurance. Furthermore, all states should ensure that all minors have health coverage.

I thought you were a fiscal conservative? Surely you would want the state to go with the cost-effective solution of universal healthcare as opposed to the tremendous waste in what you just advocated?

I guess that depends on how you define "fiscal conservative."

Government healthcare is low-quality. Waiting periods are too long, facilities are decrepit, and individual freedom is curtailed.

[Conservative Conservationists]

Insurance companies are in the business to get a profit. That means the health outcomes are something that need to be constantly bought to attention by you, because the insurance company would earn more if you just went to a corner and withered away.

I believe a country should have multiple forms of free, preventative health care. This would cover things such as vaccinations, checks and minor operations. All cost some money, yet the cost to society of someone being unable to work is much greater. If an individual requires a major operation due to their lack of medical diligence, I do not want to pay for it. If an individual wants a standard check up and preventative health care can be taken, its best to do it now.

[Rio Cana]

You do know how the Vermont plan works.

Yes, its universal. The only requirement is to learn French and then taking a bus ride (you could walk it if you want) into French Canada.

For this Vermont/French Canada crossing you will need a bus.
Photo - http://img.groundspeak.com/waymarking/d ... 4c1e7e.jpg

For this one you can walk across.
Photo - http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2594/3824 ... 7f5b_z.jpg

Just kidding. I could not resist.

[Farnhamia]

What's wrong with universal healthcare?

I do want universal healthcare -- via a private system.

So ... Obamacare?