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by Imperial City-States » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:45 pm

by The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:47 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Sounds like something i need to look into more indepth

by Imperial City-States » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:48 pm

by The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:49 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I like arguing.
I once found a compelling rebuke to someone who asked why people don't believe in God.
Im ok with a calm debate that has reason behind it , but once people go over board and start being ignorant then i have a problem , I personally think its the best plan to Not talk about , Religion , Politics or Football

by Shnercropolis » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:04 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Again fair point , im not trying to be an Ass about it i just truely don't know so thats why im asking
So hypothetically things can be dis proven ( in a strange way ) due to Quantum Mechanics however QM can't be used as a " Op guess you guys are all wrong " argument is what your saying ?
So in a Hypothetical situation if you had an Active Nuclear (fission or Cold Fusion ) reactor running and its power supply was hooked up to a particle thing ( sorry for sounding stupid i don't know the actual name ) that is used to re-enrich Uranium would it be plausible if you could find a way to amplify the power:product ratio to where more Product was put out for your energy buck ? something to do with conductors ?

by Imperial City-States » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:08 pm
Shnercropolis wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:Again fair point , im not trying to be an Ass about it i just truely don't know so thats why im asking
So hypothetically things can be dis proven ( in a strange way ) due to Quantum Mechanics however QM can't be used as a " Op guess you guys are all wrong " argument is what your saying ?
So in a Hypothetical situation if you had an Active Nuclear (fission or Cold Fusion ) reactor running and its power supply was hooked up to a particle thing ( sorry for sounding stupid i don't know the actual name ) that is used to re-enrich Uranium would it be plausible if you could find a way to amplify the power:product ratio to where more Product was put out for your energy buck ? something to do with conductors ?
Nope, for the same reason why you can't have a perpetual motion machine. Neat idea though, it might make for a very very long-lasting energy source if you could make it efficient enough.

by The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:12 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Shnercropolis wrote:Nope, for the same reason why you can't have a perpetual motion machine. Neat idea though, it might make for a very very long-lasting energy source if you could make it efficient enough.
In space a perpetual motion machine could work correct ? because there is an absence of Gravity ?

by Shnercropolis » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:13 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Shnercropolis wrote:Nope, for the same reason why you can't have a perpetual motion machine. Neat idea though, it might make for a very very long-lasting energy source if you could make it efficient enough.
In space a perpetual motion machine could work correct ? because there is an absence of Gravity( yes i know that there is still some pull ) granted that you are away from larger celestial bodies ?
even though i wouldn't be able to make it perfect ( if i tried ) it would possibly lead to the evolution of technology that would allow for a much more efficient Nuclear system no ?
So perhaps if you could make a system efficient enough to where the Reactor output was not over-ridden by the power requirement to en-rich the old material

by Imperial City-States » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:19 pm
Shnercropolis wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:
In space a perpetual motion machine could work correct ? because there is an absence of Gravity( yes i know that there is still some pull ) granted that you are away from larger celestial bodies ?
even though i wouldn't be able to make it perfect ( if i tried ) it would possibly lead to the evolution of technology that would allow for a much more efficient Nuclear system no ?
So perhaps if you could make a system efficient enough to where the Reactor output was not over-ridden by the power requirement to en-rich the old material
No, but you could seriously prolong the life of said nuclear fuel at the cost of significantly smaller output.

by The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:21 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Shnercropolis wrote:No, but you could seriously prolong the life of said nuclear fuel at the cost of significantly smaller output.
Honestly when your supply a small amount of people that actually may be there better plan , however do you have a suggestion as to why type of battery could contain enough energy in order to power a Particle or Laser weapon for an extended period of time ( 25-30 shots from a Rifle fixed battery ) I was thinking something Ion based but im not to familar on the Science of it to made an educated Theory -- Because if you could find a way to get batterys that could hold enough energy then you wouldn't need mini-reactors to power weapons and Armor you would just put exhausted batteries into a charge that is hooked up to the modified reactor

by Imperial City-States » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:24 pm
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:
Honestly when your supply a small amount of people that actually may be there better plan , however do you have a suggestion as to why type of battery could contain enough energy in order to power a Particle or Laser weapon for an extended period of time ( 25-30 shots from a Rifle fixed battery ) I was thinking something Ion based but im not to familar on the Science of it to made an educated Theory -- Because if you could find a way to get batterys that could hold enough energy then you wouldn't need mini-reactors to power weapons and Armor you would just put exhausted batteries into a charge that is hooked up to the modified reactor
Ion-based? What do you mean ion-based? Like, as in the element kind of based?

by G-Tech Corporation » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:57 pm
Imperial City-States wrote:Again fair point , im not trying to be an Ass about it i just truely don't know so thats why im asking
So hypothetically things can be dis proven ( in a strange way ) due to Quantum Mechanics however QM can't be used as a " Op guess you guys are all wrong " argument is what your saying ?
So in a Hypothetical situation if you had an Active Nuclear (fission or Cold Fusion ) reactor running and its power supply was hooked up to a particle thing ( sorry for sounding stupid i don't know the actual name ) that is used to re-enrich Uranium would it be plausible if you could find a way to amplify the power:product ratio to where more Product was put out for your energy buck ? something to do with conductors ?

by Imperial City-States » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:05 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:Again fair point , im not trying to be an Ass about it i just truely don't know so thats why im asking
So hypothetically things can be dis proven ( in a strange way ) due to Quantum Mechanics however QM can't be used as a " Op guess you guys are all wrong " argument is what your saying ?
So in a Hypothetical situation if you had an Active Nuclear (fission or Cold Fusion ) reactor running and its power supply was hooked up to a particle thing ( sorry for sounding stupid i don't know the actual name ) that is used to re-enrich Uranium would it be plausible if you could find a way to amplify the power:product ratio to where more Product was put out for your energy buck ? something to do with conductors ?
Two things: the principles behind nuclear fission and fusion are vastly different. You can't apply a method to both irrespectively. Nuclear fusion cannot be enriched, as that is the process itself. Fusion is when larger atoms are created out of smaller ones, producing energy since they're below the binding energy of iron, meaning some of their mass is converted to energy as the bond energy of one heavier atom in that case is less than the bonding energy of the two initial atoms. Fission is the opposite. One heavy atoms becomes a lighter atom or two, and generally produces a stray neutron. Since they're above the binding energy of iron, the two lighter atoms require less bond energy than the larger one had, and so energy is produced. Completely different processes. Enriching any form of fusion reaction would be pointless.
As for bombarding a fission reaction, specifically in the form of an atomic pile, there are two problems. Firstly, the energy required to accelerate protons/neutrons enough to overcome the electrostatic force of the nucleus (allowing the bombarding particle to bind with the initial atom) takes a lot of power. I don't have figures in front of me, but the energy output of a single re-enriched U-238 atom would be several orders of magnitude lower than the energy required for a single alpha particle or even neutron to be accelerated through that atom's electrostatic field.
A much better method would be to use a breeder reactor instead of a light water reactor, like me. Breeder reactors are theoretically capable of extracting sixty times the energy per pound of fissile material versus a single-cycle light water reactor.
And that's not even touching the containment issues of attaching a particle accelerator to a controlled atomic explosion.

by Photana » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:44 am

by Shnercropolis » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:37 am

by G-Tech Corporation » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:29 am
Imperial City-States wrote:G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Two things: the principles behind nuclear fission and fusion are vastly different. You can't apply a method to both irrespectively. Nuclear fusion cannot be enriched, as that is the process itself. Fusion is when larger atoms are created out of smaller ones, producing energy since they're below the binding energy of iron, meaning some of their mass is converted to energy as the bond energy of one heavier atom in that case is less than the bonding energy of the two initial atoms. Fission is the opposite. One heavy atoms becomes a lighter atom or two, and generally produces a stray neutron. Since they're above the binding energy of iron, the two lighter atoms require less bond energy than the larger one had, and so energy is produced. Completely different processes. Enriching any form of fusion reaction would be pointless.
As for bombarding a fission reaction, specifically in the form of an atomic pile, there are two problems. Firstly, the energy required to accelerate protons/neutrons enough to overcome the electrostatic force of the nucleus (allowing the bombarding particle to bind with the initial atom) takes a lot of power. I don't have figures in front of me, but the energy output of a single re-enriched U-238 atom would be several orders of magnitude lower than the energy required for a single alpha particle or even neutron to be accelerated through that atom's electrostatic field.
A much better method would be to use a breeder reactor instead of a light water reactor, like me. Breeder reactors are theoretically capable of extracting sixty times the energy per pound of fissile material versus a single-cycle light water reactor.
And that's not even touching the containment issues of attaching a particle accelerator to a controlled atomic explosion.
Thank you for Explaining all of this for me , i know very little of this subject ( as if it wasn't obvious lol )
So what hypothetical situation would be needed in order to create a Breeder ? and what Fuel source would a Breeder require ? Still Uranium ?
And i know its hard to associate with this specific RP as it is 1,000 years in the future of today so technology could change massively
But i guess my main question is , is it Physically possible though .... well Physics

by Imperial City-States » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:37 am

by The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:38 am
Imperial City-States wrote:That's a little disappointing , although it seems reasonable now that you explained it .
Back to the drawing board ...

by G-Tech Corporation » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:43 am
Imperial City-States wrote:That's a little disappointing , although it seems reasonable now that you explained it .
Back to the drawing board ...

by Imperial City-States » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:38 pm
G-Tech Corporation wrote:Imperial City-States wrote:That's a little disappointing , although it seems reasonable now that you explained it .
Back to the drawing board ...
It's not a horrible idea for a form of energy storage, so don't discard it entirely. Use power generated by biofuels or solar/tidal sources to run the particle accelerator and transmute your old nuclear waste. It isn't a terribly efficient storage system, but it's better than merely wasting the energy if you don't have a large regular demand for the power. That's what I do with my reprocessing facilities. Storing energy in reprocessed fissile materials is far more space efficient than any other form of capacitor, and it doesn't undergo power leakage over time. It's terrible inefficient, but not completely worthless.

by Photana » Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:53 pm
Shnercropolis wrote:repost app plz?

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