Best historical nation?

[Soled]

I believe it was Rome... It's the first one we have about in history class.

[Kleveburg]

The Netherlands.

[Post-Keynesian Economics]

Where is America in the poll?

[Uieurnthlaal]

Where is America in the poll?

I sure hope you're joking.

[Post-Keynesian Economics]

Where is America in the poll?

I sure hope you're joking.

Well, it's certainly a better answer than several of the ones that are currently in the poll.

[DrakoLand]

There was never an Empire called "Greece".
And seriously dude, you put the O.E in that list, seriously?

[OMGeverynameistaken]

There was never an Empire called "Greece".
And seriously dude, you put the O.E in that list, seriously?

Considering they dominated the Mediterranean from the 15th to 17th centuries, I'd say the Ottomans have earned a place in the top empires list.

I believe it was Rome... It's the first one we have about in history class.

Which is a tragedy, really, since so much Roman culture and learning was based on Greek culture, and much of Greek culture and learning was derived from Egypt.

[Belique]

There was never an Empire called "Greece".
And seriously dude, you put the O.E in that list, seriously?

There was an empire that dominated the Mediterranean called the Greek Empire governed by the Delian League. And yes, the Ottoman Empire almost prevented many of those empires up there from happening.

[Belique]

I believe it was Rome... It's the first one we have about in history class.

They just go in chronological order, don't puff them up too much. Plus, you actually here about Greece Mesopotamia and Egypt before that.

[Belique]

China has been the only historical nation to NEVER collapse... over 2000 years there has always been a single Chinese state, no matter its ideologies. China has influenced the world in ways one can only image, and has seen the collapse of the Egyptian, Roman, Greek, Ottoman, British Empires collapse!

That is one of the most false statements I've ever heard.

[Belique]

Great Britain, because it's the only one that still exists in it's present form

Not true, now it's not ruled by Britain, it is just a loose international alliance.

[Hornesia]

Rhodesia.

[Uieurnthlaal]

China has been the only historical nation to NEVER collapse... over 2000 years there has always been a single Chinese state, no matter its ideologies. China has influenced the world in ways one can only image, and has seen the collapse of the Egyptian, Roman, Greek, Ottoman, British Empires collapse!

That is one of the most false statements I've ever heard.

Seconded. As disproved by

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteen_Kingdoms

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Dynas ... oms_period

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jin_Dynasty_(1115–1234)

[UED]

Well, depends, you mean like occupied? Since China collapsed in its war against the Mongols.
Then Yuan Empire took over.
Wait, the Manchuria overthrew the Mings in 1644.
I'm not saying china sucks, I mean, they put up extremely stiff resistance, but they have been, like everyone else, gotten occupied.

True, but the Mongols changed their capital to Beijing after they conquered it and Chinese was declared the imperial language and the Mongol Emperor became known as the Great Yuan Emperor, so you could argue that only the monarchy was changed, not the nation itself, the same as the case of the Manchu dynasty. But you do argue a good point

Thanks for the appreciation mate.
I guess it does make sense of your argument.
technically Rome and some others ceased to exist culturally, but some like Britain, China and Spain left ever lasting effects on the world.
I think the most influential is still probably Rome since they influenced the bulk of Europe and everyone knows Europeans conquered most of the World and most of the survivors (China, Ottomans) were mostly raped and T Bagged by the Europeans.

[UED]

is this forum dead?

[Arglorand]

There was never an Empire called "Greece".
And seriously dude, you put the O.E in that list, seriously?

There was an empire that dominated the Mediterranean called the Greek Empire governed by the Delian League. And yes, the Ottoman Empire almost prevented many of those empires up there from happening.

The first sentence is simply factually incorrect.

[Belique]

There was an empire that dominated the Mediterranean called the Greek Empire governed by the Delian League. And yes, the Ottoman Empire almost prevented many of those empires up there from happening.

The first sentence is simply factually incorrect.

Prove it

[Arglorand]

The first sentence is simply factually incorrect.

Prove it

None of these have anything to do with the Delian League.

[Astograth]

The first sentence is simply factually incorrect.

Prove it

The burden of proof is on you to show how the Delian League - as a league, that is an association of city-states - has ever been referred to as an empire, by themselves or historians.

[Nuverikstan]

There was an empire that dominated the Mediterranean called the Greek Empire governed by the Delian League. And yes, the Ottoman Empire almost prevented many of those empires up there from happening.

The first sentence is simply factually incorrect.

How can you say there was no Greek Empire. Every child learns about it in history class.

[Arglorand]

The first sentence is simply factually incorrect.

How can you say there was no Greek Empire. Every child learns about it in history class.

Except they don't. They learn about the ancient Greeks, not the "Greek Empire", unless you're referring to the one in the Civilization games.

[Utceforp]

The first sentence is simply factually incorrect.

How can you say there was no Greek Empire. Every child learns about it in history class.

You might be thinking of Alexander the Great's conquests, though it's a matter of opinion whether or not it was a "Greek" Empire. On one hand, Macedon (where Alexander's empire was based in) is mostly in what is now Greece, and he did do a good job of spreading Hellenistic culture. On the other hand, Macedon was a kingdom rather than a city state like Sparta or Athens, wouldn't have been considered "Greek" at the time, and Alexander had to repeatedly stop rebellions in the southern Greek city states he had conquered.

[Arglorand]

How can you say there was no Greek Empire. Every child learns about it in history class.

You might be thinking of Alexander the Great's conquests, though it's a matter of opinion whether or not it was a "Greek" Empire. On one hand, Macedon (where Alexander's empire was based in) is mostly in what is now Greece, and he did do a good job of spreading Hellenistic culture. On the other hand, Macedon was a kingdom rather than a city state like Sparta or Athens, wouldn't have been considered "Greek" at the time, and Alexander had to repeatedly stop rebellions in the southern Greek city states he had conquered.

And regardless, the name isn't the "Greek Empire", it's the Macedonian Empire.

I'm sure we could rename it the Greek Empire (no matter how silly the idea would be), but until such a day when it is called the Greek Empire, not the Macedonian Empire, it's not the Greek Empire.

[House Atriedes]

How can you say there was no Greek Empire. Every child learns about it in history class.

You might be thinking of Alexander the Great's conquests, though it's a matter of opinion whether or not it was a "Greek" Empire. On one hand, Macedon (where Alexander's empire was based in) is mostly in what is now Greece, and he did do a good job of spreading Hellenistic culture. On the other hand, Macedon was a kingdom rather than a city state like Sparta or Athens, wouldn't have been considered "Greek" at the time, and Alexander had to repeatedly stop rebellions in the southern Greek city states he had conquered.

You are right in some way, but that doesn't disguise the fact that the Macedonians spoke Greek,worshiped the Greek Pantheon, aided the vision of "pan- Hellenism" proposed by the philosopher Isocrates, and were allowed to compete in the Olympic Games, which back then was reserved only to Greeks. The Hellenistic Kingdoms spread Greek culture, art and philosophy, so yes indeed there was a Greek empire. I'm from Northern Greece, and I know what I am saying.

[House Atriedes]

You might be thinking of Alexander the Great's conquests, though it's a matter of opinion whether or not it was a "Greek" Empire. On one hand, Macedon (where Alexander's empire was based in) is mostly in what is now Greece, and he did do a good job of spreading Hellenistic culture. On the other hand, Macedon was a kingdom rather than a city state like Sparta or Athens, wouldn't have been considered "Greek" at the time, and Alexander had to repeatedly stop rebellions in the southern Greek city states he had conquered.

And regardless, the name isn't the "Greek Empire", it's the Macedonian Empire.

I'm sure we could rename it the Greek Empire (no matter how silly the idea would be), but until such a day when it is called the Greek Empire, not the Macedonian Empire, it's not the Greek Empire.

Both wrong. Its the Hellenistic Kingdom.