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by Grenartia » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:04 pm
by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:05 pm
Mike the Progressive wrote:As bad of a thing as that is, what are we discussing here?
Trollgaard wrote:Threlizdun wrote:Public decency is that which protects the physical, mental, and emotional health of the public, which you are refusing to do.
One can argue that what is considered public decency is changing. You, and many of the folks on this forum are pushing to change it. I am comfortable with the way things are, and see nothing really wrong with it. That is all.
The United Colonies of Earth wrote: a person may have a mind and brain whose conception of their identity as related to arbitrary sex-based roles is disjunctive to their gender
by Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:05 pm
Trollgaard wrote:No, but how do I know they are transgender, and what if they are transgender lesbian? These are ridiculous examples
by Especially Dirty Hippies » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:05 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Threlizdun wrote:Then I will say as I have said to you many times before that your apathy towards the suffering of others is not normal.
I don't think there is some great suffering, where millions of people are suffering and being persecuted. A few instances here and there are about the extent from what I've seen.
by Mike the Progressive » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:06 pm
by Furious Grandmothers » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:06 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Threlizdun wrote:Then I will say as I have said to you many times before that your apathy towards the suffering of others is not normal.
I don't think there is some great suffering, where millions of people are suffering and being persecuted. A few instances here and there are about the extent from what I've seen.
by The Shia Califate » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:07 pm
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Mike the Progressive wrote:As bad of a thing as that is, what are we discussing here?
Didn't you get deleted once?Trollgaard wrote:
One can argue that what is considered public decency is changing. You, and many of the folks on this forum are pushing to change it. I am comfortable with the way things are, and see nothing really wrong with it. That is all.
Read this, please. Before I win the debate.The United Colonies of Earth wrote: a person may have a mind and brain whose conception of their identity as related to arbitrary sex-based roles is disjunctive to their gender
See?
by Oneracon » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:08 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Threlizdun wrote:Then I will say as I have said to you many times before that your apathy towards the suffering of others is not normal.
I don't think there is some great suffering, where millions of people are suffering and being persecuted. A few instances here and there are about the extent from what I've seen.
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by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:09 pm
by Dusk_Kittens » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:09 pm
by Trollgaard » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:09 pm
Furious Grandmothers wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
I don't think there is some great suffering, where millions of people are suffering and being persecuted. A few instances here and there are about the extent from what I've seen.
Not that I agree with your hand-waving statistics, but don't you think even one of these instances is one too much? Such a lack of empathy would be inhuman.
by The Shia Califate » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:10 pm
Oneracon wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
I don't think there is some great suffering, where millions of people are suffering and being persecuted. A few instances here and there are about the extent from what I've seen.
Your lack of empathy towards your fellow humans is disgusting, suffering and persecution should not be tolerated no matter how many people are concerned.
by The Shia Califate » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:10 pm
by Especially Dirty Hippies » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:11 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Furious Grandmothers wrote:Not that I agree with your hand-waving statistics, but don't you think even one of these instances is one too much? Such a lack of empathy would be inhuman.
They shouldn't happen, sure, but the isn't, and will never be perfect.
I don't think having males use the mens room, and females use the women's room is some great injustice, its just common sense.
by Mike the Progressive » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:11 pm
by Threlizdun » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:11 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Threlizdun wrote:Then I will say as I have said to you many times before that your apathy towards the suffering of others is not normal.
I don't think there is some great suffering, where millions of people are suffering and being persecuted. A few instances here and there are about the extent from what I've seen.
One American study of transgender adults found that approximately 50% of respondents were survivors of violence or abuse,(28) and another found that 25% of transgender respondents had experienced hate-motivated physical/sexual assault or attempted assault. 29 In a recent survey of transgender people and loved ones in BC (n=179), 26% reported needing anti-violence services at some point in their life. In examining reports of hate crimes against transgender people, researchers found that 98% of all “transgender” violence was perpetrated specifically against people in the male to-female spectrum; (30) of the 38 murders of transgender people reported internationally in 2003, 70% were women of colour. (31)
Transgender facts Although social acceptance for transgender people is growing, parents continue to abandon youth with gender-identity issues when their children need them most, advocates say. 49 per cent of transgender people attempt suicide. Transgender youth account for 18 per cent of homeless people in cities such as Chicago, but researchers estimate fewer than 1 in 1,000 people is transgender. 1 in 12 transgender people in America is murdered. Transgender youth whose parents pressure them to conform to their anatomical gender report higher levels of depression, illegal drug use, suicide attempts and unsafe sex than peers who receive little or no pressure from parents. Less than 1 to 1.5 per cent of individuals experience persistent regret after sex-reassignment surgery. Sources: Guidelines for Transgender Care (2006), Gender Spectrum Education and Training, Families in TRANSition (2008)
by Trollgaard » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:12 pm
Oneracon wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
I don't think there is some great suffering, where millions of people are suffering and being persecuted. A few instances here and there are about the extent from what I've seen.
Your lack of empathy towards your fellow humans is disgusting, suffering and persecution should not be tolerated no matter how many people are concerned.
by Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:12 pm
The Shia Califate wrote:If they are arbitrary, why are we the sex we are?
by Furious Grandmothers » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:13 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Oneracon wrote:Your lack of empathy towards your fellow humans is disgusting, suffering and persecution should not be tolerated no matter how many people are concerned.
Again, I don't think males using the men's room, and females using the women's room as a social norm is an injustice or oppressive.
by Oneracon » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:13 pm
The Shia Califate wrote:Oneracon wrote:Your lack of empathy towards your fellow humans is disgusting, suffering and persecution should not be tolerated no matter how many people are concerned.
I think he's trying to say that an internal struggle is nothing compared to suffering from famine in central Africa.
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by Trollgaard » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:13 pm
Threlizdun wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
I don't think there is some great suffering, where millions of people are suffering and being persecuted. A few instances here and there are about the extent from what I've seen.
Reality says otherwiseOne American study of transgender adults found that approximately 50% of respondents were survivors of violence or abuse,(28) and another found that 25% of transgender respondents had experienced hate-motivated physical/sexual assault or attempted assault. 29 In a recent survey of transgender people and loved ones in BC (n=179), 26% reported needing anti-violence services at some point in their life. In examining reports of hate crimes against transgender people, researchers found that 98% of all “transgender” violence was perpetrated specifically against people in the male to-female spectrum; (30) of the 38 murders of transgender people reported internationally in 2003, 70% were women of colour. (31)
http://transhealth.vch.ca/resources/lib ... vocacy.pdfTransgender facts Although social acceptance for transgender people is growing, parents continue to abandon youth with gender-identity issues when their children need them most, advocates say. 49 per cent of transgender people attempt suicide. Transgender youth account for 18 per cent of homeless people in cities such as Chicago, but researchers estimate fewer than 1 in 1,000 people is transgender. 1 in 12 transgender people in America is murdered. Transgender youth whose parents pressure them to conform to their anatomical gender report higher levels of depression, illegal drug use, suicide attempts and unsafe sex than peers who receive little or no pressure from parents. Less than 1 to 1.5 per cent of individuals experience persistent regret after sex-reassignment surgery. Sources: Guidelines for Transgender Care (2006), Gender Spectrum Education and Training, Families in TRANSition (2008)
by Brisa del Mar » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:14 pm
by Trollgaard » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:14 pm
by Grenartia » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:15 pm
Trollgaard wrote:The Scientific States wrote:
What?
You're scared that a transgendered man will beat up your female friends?
Are you fucking kidding me?
No, but how do I know they are transgender, and what if they are transgender lesbian? These are ridiculous examples, and not really what I'm concerned about.
I'm concerned about public decency.
And as always, the trans hit squad has arrived and call everyone who doesn't froth at the mouth for trans people bigots or stupid and what not, getting quite tired of this.
I've said my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.
by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:15 pm
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