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Postby Blasveck » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:10 pm

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/0 ... c-prayers/

(CNN)– Linda Stephens has lived in her upstate New York community for more than three decades and has long been active in civic affairs.

But as an atheist, those views have put her at the center of a personal, political, and legal fight that has reached the U.S. Supreme Court.

The issue is public prayer at her local town board meetings, another contentious case over the intersection of faith and the civic arena.

The justices on Wednesday will hear arguments over whether Greece, New York, may continue sponsoring what it calls “inclusive” prayers at its open sessions, on government property.

Stephens and co-plaintiff Susan Galloway have challenged the policy, saying virtually all of those invited to offer legislative prayers over the years were Christians.

“It’s very divisive when you bring government into religion,” Stephens told CNN from her home. “I don’t believe in God, and Susan is Jewish, so to hear these ministers talk about Jesus and even have some of them who personally question our motives, it’s just not appropriate.”

The town of about 94,000 residents counters that after concerns from the two women and others, it sought diverse voices, including a Wiccan priestess, to offer invocations. Officials say they do not review the content of the remarks, nor censor any language.

“The faith of the prayer giver does not matter at all,” said John Auberger, Greece’s board supervisor, who began the practice shortly after taking office 1998. “We accept anyone who wants to come in and volunteer to give the prayer to open up our town meetings.”


To be frank, I'm surprised this had to go all the way to the Supreme Court. Obviously, I'm siding with the plaintiffs.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:12 pm

Yeah, plaintiff's probably going to win. Good for her, I say.
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Postby The Scientific States » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:13 pm

I'm siding with the plaintiffs, obviously.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:15 pm

I'm siding with the plaintiffs as well.
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Postby Ayreonia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:22 pm

The part about "Greece, New York" confused me greatly.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:01 pm

Ayreonia wrote:The part about "Greece, New York" confused me greatly.

Well remember the Greek Debt crisis.
Apparently one of the loans involved Greece becoming a territory of New York if there was a modification of terms, and look there was a modification.

So the US now has a territory in the EU.
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Postby Baader-Meinhof Gruppe » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:27 pm

I hope she wins. Freedom of religion requires the ability to have freedom from religion.

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Postby Benuty » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:31 pm

The title led me to believe it was against citizens privately praying in groups on government property.... oh well.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:33 pm

Government-sponsored "inclusive" prayer? She's definitely going to win.
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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:33 pm

She should go up and do her own scientific prayers.

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Postby The Scientific States » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:35 pm

Vamtrl wrote:She should go up and do her own scientific prayers.


What are you trying to achieve here?
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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:35 pm

Lol atheists, so anal about everything.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:37 pm

Vamtrl wrote:She should go up and do her own scientific prayers.

Are you seriously making that idiotic "ATHEISTS WORSHIP SCIENCE AS A RELIGION" argument?
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Postby Benuty » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:38 pm

Vamtrl wrote:Lol atheists, so anal about everything.

No, this wouldn't be an issue if it was privately sponsored prayer. After all government and religion corrupt each other (ie the Anglican Church during the rule of King George the III).
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Postby Benuty » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:40 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:She should go up and do her own scientific prayers.


What are you trying to achieve here?

An implausibility.
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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:41 pm

Benuty wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:Lol atheists, so anal about everything.

No, this wouldn't be an issue if it was privately sponsored prayer. After all government and religion corrupt each other (ie the Anglican Church during the rule of King George the III).


Or the current Orthodox church in Russia. I get it but to go to court over something that is inclusive of other religions and has no real impact on policy, it just comes of like they are looking for attention.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:41 pm

Vamtrl wrote:Lol atheists, so anal about everything.

Yeah guise, the Constitution isn't a big deal. Don't be so anal.
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Postby Blasveck » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:42 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Benuty wrote:No, this wouldn't be an issue if it was privately sponsored prayer. After all government and religion corrupt each other (ie the Anglican Church during the rule of King George the III).


Or the current Orthodox church in Russia. I get it but to go to court over something that is inclusive of other religions and has no real impact on policy, its just looks like they are looking for attention.


I'm pretty sure it violates the US Constitution. Which is why the woman is suing.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:43 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Benuty wrote:No, this wouldn't be an issue if it was privately sponsored prayer. After all government and religion corrupt each other (ie the Anglican Church during the rule of King George the III).


Or the current Orthodox church in Russia. I get it but to go to court over something that is inclusive of other religions and has no real impact on policy, it just comes of like they are looking for attention.

Not everyone is religious.
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Postby Baader-Meinhof Gruppe » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:45 pm

Vamtrl wrote:Lol atheists, so anal about everything.


Yeah, it's anal to not want your rights to be trampled on. Go have your mental disorder in another country, having imaginary friends isn't normal.

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Postby Lunalia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:45 pm

Go plaintiffs!

Though, I am pleased that the town brought in a Wiccan priestess to attempt to appease all sides. But there is no way to appease all sides in this matter, because different religions believe in radically different things! Even such phrases as "the higher power" don't cover atheists, and those who believe in multiple deities!
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Postby Vamtrl » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:49 pm

Blasveck wrote:I'm pretty sure it violates the US Constitution. Which is why the woman is suing.


Lets see what the courts say.

Regnum Dominae wrote:Not everyone is religious.


Does it make their ears bleed hearing someone pray? Does it give them cancer? I am not religious and I have never had a problem with religious folks, I dont see why people get so worked up over this.

Baader-Meinhof Gruppe wrote:Yeah, it's anal to not want your rights to be trampled on. Go have your mental disorder in another country, having imaginary friends isn't normal.


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Baader-Meinhof Gruppe wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:Lol atheists, so anal about everything.


Yeah, it's anal to not want your rights to be trampled on. Go have your mental disorder in another country, having imaginary friends isn't normal.

:eyebrow: What the actual fuck? If you are talking about religion here How could you possibly describe it as "not being normal"?
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Baader-Meinhof Gruppe wrote:
Vamtrl wrote:Lol atheists, so anal about everything.


Yeah, it's anal to not want your rights to be trampled on. Go have your mental disorder in another country, having imaginary friends isn't normal.

Last time I check the DSM doesn't deal with the religious and besides having an imaginary friend is an entirely different affair.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:18 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Not everyone is religious.


Does it make their ears bleed hearing someone pray? Does it give them cancer? I am not religious and I have never had a problem with religious folks, I dont see why people get so worked up over this.

The problem is that it's government sponsored prayer on public property, which violates the separation of church and state.
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