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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:43 pm

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Tlaceceyaya wrote:Organisms are created by the genes. There is no purpose to the genes, but the organisms have a purpose.

Organisms are simply structures which provide an advantage for genes to reproduce. We have no inherent purpose. The first gene which caused an organism wasn't thinking "hey, an organism would help me reproduce." It just caused it, and as a result was passed on.

Yes, it just caused it. But we have become refined based on our ability to pass on those organism-creating genes.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:35 pm

Revolutionarily wrote:As i get keep aging i am beginning to realize that know one has any of the answers as to what we are doing. What are you doing? Why are you doing it? It feels like everything is a hopeless attempt to pass time as we decay.


I have the answers you seek, my son. Ask and recieve.
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Postby Tyriece » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:00 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Revolutionarily wrote:As i get keep aging i am beginning to realize that know one has any of the answers as to what we are doing. What are you doing? Why are you doing it? It feels like everything is a hopeless attempt to pass time as we decay.


I have the answers you seek, my son. Ask and recieve.


I did not ask it but i am curious to your answers. What is your perspective on the meaning of life?
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:06 pm

Tyriece wrote:
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I have the answers you seek, my son. Ask and recieve.


I did not ask it but i am curious to your answers. What is your perspective on the meaning of life?


The meaning of life is for communion or, rather, relationship. A theist would say that its for communion with God but a more cynical person would, in consideration of those non theists, say that any and all relationships have the very visceral ability to perfect a person. Communion and relationship heal the soul regardless of the perspective on theology and/or metaphysical issues.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:06 pm

Confederated Southern States wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

No.

We are on this earth for no reason, we just live to find value in our own lives but there is no point or purpose to our existence.


I agree wholeheartedly, and I find it beautiful. By the way, that's not a nihilistic view, that's existential view.

Oh, and y'all remember that determinist who romped through here with his whole "LOL FREE WILL DOESN'T EXIST AND WE'RE ALL DRONES WITHOUT MORAL RESPONSIBILITY" shtick?

http://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/cogito/

Yeah, his views were 17th century...


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Postby Tyriece » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:10 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
I did not ask it but i am curious to your answers. What is your perspective on the meaning of life?


The meaning of life is for communion or, rather, relationship. A theist would say that its for communion with God but a more cynical person would, in consideration of those non theists, say that any and all relationships have the very visceral ability to perfect a person. Communion and relationship heal the soul regardless of the perspective on theology and/or metaphysical issues.


So to find a deep relationship with any person, thing or idea to help you with everyday problems in life. Sounds simple and reasonable.
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Postby Confederated Southern States » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:27 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Confederated Southern States wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly, and I find it beautiful. By the way, that's not a nihilistic view, that's existential view.

Oh, and y'all remember that determinist who romped through here with his whole "LOL FREE WILL DOESN'T EXIST AND WE'RE ALL DRONES WITHOUT MORAL RESPONSIBILITY" shtick?

http://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/cogito/

Yeah, his views were 17th century...


I'm still here. And you're still building your strawmen.


Hey, why are you getting mad at me? I was pre-determined to act like that; there's nothing I could do to stop it. I'm not responsible for my actions.

We should just let all murderers go; they all just reacted to stimuli, and thus weren't responsible for their actions.

There is no way to take an independent stance and consider the arguments unprejudiced because all various forces making us assimilate the evidence in the world just the way we do. One either turns out to be a determinist or not and in neither case can we appraise the issue objectively because we are predetermined to have a view on the matter one way or the other.

We'll never be able to resolve this debate, since there is no way of obtaining an objective assessment.

See how ridiculous you sound?
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:33 pm

Confederated Southern States wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
I'm still here. And you're still building your strawmen.


Hey, why are you getting mad at me? I was pre-determined to act like that; there's nothing I could do to stop it. I'm not responsible for my actions.

We should just let all murderers go; they all just reacted to stimuli, and thus weren't responsible for their actions.

There is no way to take an independent stance and consider the arguments unprejudiced because all various forces making us assimilate the evidence in the world just the way we do. One either turns out to be a determinist or not and in neither case can we appraise the issue objectively because we are predetermined to have a view on the matter one way or the other.

We'll never be able to resolve this debate, since there is no way of obtaining an objective assessment.

See how ridiculous you sound?

That attempt at a strawman actually sounds rather rational. Also, actions being pre-determined does not mean one is not morally responsible for them.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:33 pm

Confederated Southern States wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
I'm still here. And you're still building your strawmen.


Hey, why are you getting mad at me? I was pre-determined to act like that; there's nothing I could do to stop it. I'm not responsible for my actions.

We should just let all murderers go; they all just reacted to stimuli, and thus weren't responsible for their actions.

There is no way to take an independent stance and consider the arguments unprejudiced because all various forces making us assimilate the evidence in the world just the way we do. One either turns out to be a determinist or not and in neither case can we appraise the issue objectively because we are predetermined to have a view on the matter one way or the other.

We'll never be able to resolve this debate, since there is no way of obtaining an objective assessment.

See how ridiculous you sound?


I'm not mad. I'm simply pointing something out. And you are responsible for your actions. That you wouldn't have chosen otherwise is irrelevant to whether the blame for them lies upon you.

As I told you before, what you're saying makes no sense. It fits more with the free will model that murderers should be released, because if they weren't just responding to stimuli, then it must have been a decision, and if they are logical enough to make a decision then they should realize a second murder would not go well for them. Whereas if they are just reacting to stimuli in an extremely complex manner, then it is highly likely that the circumstances that led to the murder could happen again and thus they should remain sequestered.

See how ridiculous you sound?
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Postby Tyriece » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:34 pm

Confederated Southern States wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
I'm still here. And you're still building your strawmen.


Hey, why are you getting mad at me? I was pre-determined to act like that; there's nothing I could do to stop it. I'm not responsible for my actions.

We should just let all murderers go; they all just reacted to stimuli, and thus weren't responsible for their actions.

There is no way to take an independent stance and consider the arguments unprejudiced because all various forces making us assimilate the evidence in the world just the way we do. One either turns out to be a determinist or not and in neither case can we appraise the issue objectively because we are predetermined to have a view on the matter one way or the other.

We'll never be able to resolve this debate, since there is no way of obtaining an objective assessment.

See how ridiculous you sound?


There is no resolving a debate about a philosophical question. All "answers" are opinions here. (just thought i would give my input to agree with you)
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Postby Confederated Southern States » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:37 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Confederated Southern States wrote:
Hey, why are you getting mad at me? I was pre-determined to act like that; there's nothing I could do to stop it. I'm not responsible for my actions.

We should just let all murderers go; they all just reacted to stimuli, and thus weren't responsible for their actions.

There is no way to take an independent stance and consider the arguments unprejudiced because all various forces making us assimilate the evidence in the world just the way we do. One either turns out to be a determinist or not and in neither case can we appraise the issue objectively because we are predetermined to have a view on the matter one way or the other.

We'll never be able to resolve this debate, since there is no way of obtaining an objective assessment.

See how ridiculous you sound?


I'm not mad. I'm simply pointing something out. And you are responsible for your actions. That you wouldn't have chosen otherwise is irrelevant to whether the blame for them lies upon you.

As I told you before, what you're saying makes no sense. It fits more with the free will model that murderers should be released, because if they weren't just responding to stimuli, then it must have been a decision, and if they are logical enough to make a decision then they should realize a second murder would not go well for them. Whereas if they are just reacting to stimuli in an extremely complex manner, then it is highly likely that the circumstances that led to the murder could happen again and thus they should remain sequestered.

See how ridiculous you sound?


How can I be responsible if I had no choice in the matter?

Look buddy, either I had the free will to not be a dick, or I was fated from birth to do this action. Balls in your court. Either way, I win.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:41 pm

Confederated Southern States wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
I'm not mad. I'm simply pointing something out. And you are responsible for your actions. That you wouldn't have chosen otherwise is irrelevant to whether the blame for them lies upon you.

As I told you before, what you're saying makes no sense. It fits more with the free will model that murderers should be released, because if they weren't just responding to stimuli, then it must have been a decision, and if they are logical enough to make a decision then they should realize a second murder would not go well for them. Whereas if they are just reacting to stimuli in an extremely complex manner, then it is highly likely that the circumstances that led to the murder could happen again and thus they should remain sequestered.

See how ridiculous you sound?


How can I be responsible if I had no choice in the matter?

Look buddy, either I had the free will to not be a dick, or I was fated from birth to do this action. Balls in your court. Either way, I win.


Because you did it. You don't need a choice to be responsible.

No, because you're ignoring what I'm saying. You A.) Would not have chosen to act in a different way. and B.) Are still responsible for that despite it being predetermined.
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Postby Confederated Southern States » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:45 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Confederated Southern States wrote:
How can I be responsible if I had no choice in the matter?

Look buddy, either I had the free will to not be a dick, or I was fated from birth to do this action. Balls in your court. Either way, I win.


Because you did it. You don't need a choice to be responsible.

No, because you're ignoring what I'm saying. You A.) Would not have chosen to act in a different way. and B.) Are still responsible for that despite it being predetermined.


It's funny because you can't elaborate. And you also didn't do anything to debunk that (much better written) paper that I presented.

I'll leave you to do that while I go to sleep. Not that I have any choice in the matter :lol2:
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Postby Vixia » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:47 pm

As a Lutheran, I do believe that there is a purpose to life, live it to the fullest. Love, laugh, and cry. You're on this Earth once, if you do your good deeds and be a good being, you may find Heaven <3
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:51 pm

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Because you did it. You don't need a choice to be responsible.

No, because you're ignoring what I'm saying. You A.) Would not have chosen to act in a different way. and B.) Are still responsible for that despite it being predetermined.


It's funny because you can't elaborate. And you also didn't do anything to debunk that (much better written) paper that I presented.

I'll leave you to do that while I go to sleep. Not that I have any choice in the matter :lol2:


I have elaborated. You seem incapable of understanding.

Lack of choice != Lack of Responsibility for your Actions.

As to the paper, it was godawful. It meandered around like they were scared someone would actually read it and it has nothing to do with what I'm saying at all.
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Postby New Event Horizon » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:21 pm

We do not have any purpose from the start. It is our job to give ourselves purpose.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:36 pm

The purpose of life is to fill our Credenzas with whatever we make it to be.
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Postby Renaldi » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:44 pm

Life is what you make it. You want a purpose? Create one for yourself. It's one hell of a better shake than having a pupose handed to you.
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Postby Conscentia » Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:02 pm

New Event Horizon wrote:We do not have any purpose from the start. It is our job to give ourselves purpose.

Purpose is used to define tools. Are you saying humans should choose to become tools - a means to an end? Why should we degrade ourselves in such a way?
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:10 am

The purpose of life is to move humanity forward towards the Great Singularity. Immortality through technology will be the greatest event so far in human history. It will be like the first ape that walked on two legs and the first man to discover fire. We are nearing the next, and perhaps final, epoch of our march towards perfection.
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Postby CTALNH » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:06 am

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:The purpose of life is to move humanity forward towards the Great Singularity. Immortality through technology will be the greatest event so far in human history. It will be like the first ape that walked on two legs and the first man to discover fire. We are nearing the next, and perhaps final, epoch of our march towards perfection.

Immortality?

Nah fuck that.

Living longer?Sure.
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Postby Dunroaming » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:14 am

Why do you need a purpose to life?
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:15 am

CTALNH wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:The purpose of life is to move humanity forward towards the Great Singularity. Immortality through technology will be the greatest event so far in human history. It will be like the first ape that walked on two legs and the first man to discover fire. We are nearing the next, and perhaps final, epoch of our march towards perfection.

Immortality?

Nah fuck that.

Living longer?Sure.


Perhaps immortality is the wrong word, rather life exists for as long as you want it too.
There is no chance of dying of disease or accident as your conscience has been immortalized in a computer, thus you die only when you are ready to rest.
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Postby The Mysterious Mystery of the Mystery » Tue Oct 08, 2013 4:26 am

CTALNH wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:The purpose of life is to move humanity forward towards the Great Singularity. Immortality through technology will be the greatest event so far in human history. It will be like the first ape that walked on two legs and the first man to discover fire. We are nearing the next, and perhaps final, epoch of our march towards perfection.

Immortality?

Nah fuck that.

Living longer?Sure.


If you are afraid of the big freeze or heat death in the end, I don't care.

Immortality FTW!!!
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