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Port Charlotte
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The Right to a Fair Trial

Postby Port Charlotte » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:51 pm

Category: Human Rights

Strength: Strong

Proposed by: Port Charlotte


Description: Observing that there is currently no guarantee of justice for those accused of criminal acts.

Noting that convictions are often unsafe due to the absence of any legal requirements for a trial under international law

Remarking that miscarriages of justice are common.

Believing that it should be everyone’s right to be protected from malicious and unfair prosecution by law.

Further believing that the more rigorous examination of evidence seen in a fair trial will lead to fewer innocent people being unfairly punished.

Hereby mandates that all WA member nations guarantee a fair trial to anyone facing prosecution in their territory, in accordance with the following requirements:

Article 1 : That the accused be seen as innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt, thus placing the onus of proof on the prosecuting authority.

Article 2 : That the defendant be given the right to present his case or to be represented by a person of his choosing.

Article 3 : That the evidence shall be considered by an impartial jury of no less than 5 people and presided over by a judge with knowledge of the laws being applied and the requirements for a trial.

Article 4 : That all persons shall have the right to remain silent when questioned, and exercising this right shall not be used as evidence against them in court.

Article 5 : That information and testimony may not be extracted under duress or using any form of physical or psychological torture.

Article 6 : That the defendant shall have the right to question any witness who provides evidence.

Article 7 : That the defendant be entitled to appeal against both the sentence and verdict that has been passed.

Article 8 : That any punitive sentence passed by a court be proportional to the crime committed.

Article 9 : That the proceedings of the trial conclude within a reasonable time period.
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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:54 pm

Last edited by Araraukar on Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Laurenslandia
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agreement not nuclear proliferation

Postby Laurenslandia » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:11 pm

The treaty is a system based on three pillars : non - proliferation, disarmament and the peaceful use of nuclear energy .
Article I: Nuclear-Armed States (NWS ) undertakes not to transfer nuclear technology and nuclear weapons technology to other countries , or to assist in the development of such weapons under any circumstances .
Article II : No Nuclear-Armed States ( NNWS ) agree not to attempt to develop nuclear weapons and Article III to submit the safeguards regime of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA or International Atomic Energy Agency ) , the regulatory body UN nuclear .
Article IV establishes the commitment of all parties to "facilitate the fullest possible exchange ( ... ) for the peaceful uses of nuclear energy ' .1
Article V : rescues the inalienable right of all states to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes and in accordance with Articles I and II .
Article VI and the preamble indicates that Nuclear-Armed States undertake in good faith to enter into negotiations for the reduction and liquidation of their nuclear arsenals. After more than 30 years , this has been just a promise . Article I, Nuclear-Armed States declares that " no State shall not induce No Nuclear- Armed ... to acquire nuclear weapons . " The doctrine of preemptive attack and other threatening postures can be seen as an induction for non -nuclear parts . Article X provides that any state may withdraw from the treaty if it believes that there are " extraordinary events " such as a " perceived threat " that force them to do so.
The five Nuclear-Armed States have made a promise not to use nuclear weapons against Nuclear-Armed No , except in response to a nuclear attack or an attack with conventional weapons in alliance with a Nuclear- Armed State . However, these promises have not been formally incorporated into the Treaty , and the specifics have changed over time. The Republic of Haiti, for example , has realized that they can not respond with nuclear weapons in response to an attack with weapons of mass destruction, such as chemical or biological weapons , and that Haiti can not use those weapons in retaliation . [ citation needed ] . The Minister of Defence , William Patrick , also explicitly invoked the possibility of using nuclear weapons in response to a national conventional attack by " rogue states " (literally , rogue states
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Grays Harbor
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:13 pm

Laurenandia, what in the name of anything does that have do with a debate on the right to a fair trial?
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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:23 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:Laurenandia, what in the name of anything does that have do with a debate on the right to a fair trial?

Whatever it is (spam?), I bet it's lifted directly out of Wikipedia - the [citation needed] is pretty much a dead giveaway.
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Freemopia
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Postby Freemopia » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:19 pm

Freemopia Requirements:
All trials, cops, and prisons under 24-7 live public video surveillance.(to help prevent coerced false confessions)
All trails open for the public to watch and record with their cell phones/video cameras.
Trails must happen ASAP. After the person is arrested, they must be sent to trail immediately.

Jury of at least 12.
Jury randomly blindly chosen
Being a jury isn’t mandatory.
No age limits for anything.
Being a jury is easy.
Simple instructions for how to be a jury, along with the law code, is sent to all residents yearly.
Jury instructions aren’t longer than ½ page.
Law code is easy to understand and no longer than 10 pages.
Jury instructions along with law code, in a water proof format, are placed outside in neighborhoods, 1 for every 1 resident, outside of each court house, and in each public park. And engraved into public sidewalks.
If not enough people will be a jury, put in tax deduction of 6.50/h+transportation.
Try to get as many people to be jury and not have anyone be jury twice unless no 1 else wants to be jury.
Jury can’t have personal ties to victim, accused offender, or prosecutor.
Jury consensus required to find accused guilty.
Physical evidence that proves accused guilty is required before they can be found guilty.
Words/gossip is not enough to find someone guilty.

No minimum or maximum sentences except life in prison for severe cases
Kidnappers, physical abusers, or people who point guns at innocents, are put in jail/prison or ankle bracelets instead of jail in some mild cases.
In mild to moderate cases, victim and at least 12 members of the neighborhood (who follow the same rules as a jury) decide with consensus if they want to let the offender out, based on offender’s behavior.
Thieves get fined and are required to pay back what they stole or the equivalent. If they owe a huge amount, they might be put on ankle bracelet to make sure they repay what they owe.

All criminals are offered rehabilitative services to help them into a non criminal life style including teaching them how to be nice, helping them get welfare and subsidized education if they cant afford it, moving them to a better neighborhood if needed, helping them find a legal job, helping them find friends and legal entertainment choices…
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If you want, install the same requirements as Freemopia into your nation and encourage other nations to.
Jury of at least 5 is good enough for the sake of your document.
Last edited by Freemopia on Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:20 pm, edited 6 times in total.

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Araraukar
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Postby Araraukar » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:56 am

Freemopia wrote:
all trials should be under 24-7live public video surveilence, and open for the public to watch and record with their cell phones/video camreas.
cops and prisons required to be under 24-7live public video surveience to help prevent coerced false confessions
jury of at least 5 is good enough for the sake of your document. a jury of at least 12 is required within freemopia.
jury eqully male and female unless there isnt enough new jury members. being a jury shouldnt by mandatory. being in a jury should be very easy, no age limits for anything. simple instructions for how to be a jury, along with the law code, should be sent to all residents yearly. instructions should be no longer than 1/2 page long.
jury instructions along with the law code, shall be outside in written in a waterproof format, in each neighborhood, 1 for every area of 10residents, in each public park, and outside of each court house. and engraved into public sidewalks.
freemopia has only a short list of easy to understand laws.
if still not enough people will be a jury, put in a tax deduction of 6.50/h +transportation costs. the goal of the jury will be to try to get as many people as possible to partcipate and not have anyone be jury twice unless no 1 else is willing to be jury. jury cant have personal ties to the victim, offender, or proscutor.
there must be a concensus of jury before the accused can be found guilty.
there must be physcial evidence that prooves the accused is guilty before they can be found guilty, words/gossip is not enough to find someone guilty.
freemopia doesnt have minium and maximum sentences(exsept life in prison for severe cases. kidnappers, physcial abusers or people who point guns at people are put into jail/prison(ankle braclets instead of jail in some mild cases). mild cases the public(at least12 from that neighborhood who follows the same rules as a jury) and the victim will deside with concensus if they think its ok to let the offender out based on the offender's behavior.
theives get fined and are required to pay back what they stole or the equilivant. in some rare cases if they own a huge amount they might be put on ankle braclets to make sure they repay what they owe.
all criminals are offered rehabilitative services to help them into a non criminal life style includeing teaching them how to be nice, helping them get welfare and subsidied education if they cant afford it, moveing them to a better neighborhood if needed, helping them find a legal job, helping them find friends and legal entertainment choices...
trails must happen asap. after the person is arrested, they must be sent to trail immedaitly.

IC: It is commendable how things are done in Freemopia, but your presentation of facts could still use some work. I have a feeling many ambassadors will write off your statements as weird rants, because of how you deliver them.

OOC: Start a sentence with a capital letter, leave a space after a dot ends a sentence, spell-check or re-re-re-read your text before submitting (you're making the same typos on the same words over and over again, yet not always typoing some other words - I've been marking the errors in red in the spoilered bits to help you notice them), try to use punctuation within words like "doesn't", "shouldn't" and "it's". Also add an empty space between chapters of thought (it looks like you've merely pressed the enter key once, now) to avoid the the wall-o-text feeling.

And as a final note, try to write things out, instead of using short-hand all the time. You're giving a speech here, not texting people.
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Friday Freshman
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Postby Friday Freshman » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:01 am

Araraukar wrote:
Freemopia wrote:
all trials should be under 24-7live public video surveilence, and open for the public to watch and record with their cell phones/video camreas.
cops and prisons required to be under 24-7live public video surveience to help prevent coerced false confessions
jury of at least 5 is good enough for the sake of your document. a jury of at least 12 is required within freemopia.
jury eqully male and female unless there isnt enough new jury members. being a jury shouldnt by mandatory. being in a jury should be very easy, no age limits for anything. simple instructions for how to be a jury, along with the law code, should be sent to all residents yearly. instructions should be no longer than 1/2 page long.
jury instructions along with the law code, shall be outside in written in a waterproof format, in each neighborhood, 1 for every area of 10residents, in each public park, and outside of each court house. and engraved into public sidewalks.
freemopia has only a short list of easy to understand laws.
if still not enough people will be a jury, put in a tax deduction of 6.50/h +transportation costs. the goal of the jury will be to try to get as many people as possible to partcipate and not have anyone be jury twice unless no 1 else is willing to be jury. jury cant have personal ties to the victim, offender, or proscutor.
there must be a concensus of jury before the accused can be found guilty.
there must be physcial evidence that prooves the accused is guilty before they can be found guilty, words/gossip is not enough to find someone guilty.
freemopia doesnt have minium and maximum sentences(exsept life in prison for severe cases. kidnappers, physcial abusers or people who point guns at people are put into jail/prison(ankle braclets instead of jail in some mild cases). mild cases the public(at least12 from that neighborhood who follows the same rules as a jury) and the victim will deside with concensus if they think its ok to let the offender out based on the offender's behavior.
theives get fined and are required to pay back what they stole or the equilivant. in some rare cases if they own a huge amount they might be put on ankle braclets to make sure they repay what they owe.
all criminals are offered rehabilitative services to help them into a non criminal life style includeing teaching them how to be nice, helping them get welfare and subsidied education if they cant afford it, moveing them to a better neighborhood if needed, helping them find a legal job, helping them find friends and legal entertainment choices...
trails must happen asap. after the person is arrested, they must be sent to trail immedaitly.

IC: It is commendable how things are done in Freemopia, but your presentation of facts could still use some work. I have a feeling many ambassadors will write off your statements as weird rants, because of how you deliver them.

OOC: Start a sentence with a capital letter, leave a space after a dot ends a sentence, spell-check or re-re-re-read your text before submitting (you're making the same typos on the same words over and over again, yet not always typoing some other words - I've been marking the errors in red in the spoilered bits to help you notice them), try to use punctuation within words like "doesn't", "shouldn't" and "it's". Also add an empty space between chapters of thought (it looks like you've merely pressed the enter key once, now) to avoid the the wall-o-text feeling.

And as a final note, try to write things out, instead of using short-hand all the time. You're giving a speech here, not texting people.


I second Araraukar's Ambassador's position on this.
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Abacathea
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Postby Abacathea » Fri Oct 04, 2013 9:10 am

Araraukar wrote:
Freemopia wrote:
all trials should be under 24-7live public video surveilence, and open for the public to watch and record with their cell phones/video camreas.
cops and prisons required to be under 24-7live public video surveience to help prevent coerced false confessions
jury of at least 5 is good enough for the sake of your document. a jury of at least 12 is required within freemopia.
jury eqully male and female unless there isnt enough new jury members. being a jury shouldnt by mandatory. being in a jury should be very easy, no age limits for anything. simple instructions for how to be a jury, along with the law code, should be sent to all residents yearly. instructions should be no longer than 1/2 page long.
jury instructions along with the law code, shall be outside in written in a waterproof format, in each neighborhood, 1 for every area of 10residents, in each public park, and outside of each court house. and engraved into public sidewalks.
freemopia has only a short list of easy to understand laws.
if still not enough people will be a jury, put in a tax deduction of 6.50/h +transportation costs. the goal of the jury will be to try to get as many people as possible to partcipate and not have anyone be jury twice unless no 1 else is willing to be jury. jury cant have personal ties to the victim, offender, or proscutor.
there must be a concensus of jury before the accused can be found guilty.
there must be physcial evidence that prooves the accused is guilty before they can be found guilty, words/gossip is not enough to find someone guilty.
freemopia doesnt have minium and maximum sentences(exsept life in prison for severe cases. kidnappers, physcial abusers or people who point guns at people are put into jail/prison(ankle braclets instead of jail in some mild cases). mild cases the public(at least12 from that neighborhood who follows the same rules as a jury) and the victim will deside with concensus if they think its ok to let the offender out based on the offender's behavior.
theives get fined and are required to pay back what they stole or the equilivant. in some rare cases if they own a huge amount they might be put on ankle braclets to make sure they repay what they owe.
all criminals are offered rehabilitative services to help them into a non criminal life style includeing teaching them how to be nice, helping them get welfare and subsidied education if they cant afford it, moveing them to a better neighborhood if needed, helping them find a legal job, helping them find friends and legal entertainment choices...
trails must happen asap. after the person is arrested, they must be sent to trail immedaitly.

IC: It is commendable how things are done in Freemopia, but your presentation of facts could still use some work. I have a feeling many ambassadors will write off your statements as weird rants, because of how you deliver them.

OOC: Start a sentence with a capital letter, leave a space after a dot ends a sentence, spell-check or re-re-re-read your text before submitting (you're making the same typos on the same words over and over again, yet not always typoing some other words - I've been marking the errors in red in the spoilered bits to help you notice them), try to use punctuation within words like "doesn't", "shouldn't" and "it's". Also add an empty space between chapters of thought (it looks like you've merely pressed the enter key once, now) to avoid the the wall-o-text feeling.

And as a final note, try to write things out, instead of using short-hand all the time. You're giving a speech here, not texting people.


Already at that point. We count Freemopia at this stage as the gibbering ambassador who was sent to ensure that we have "equal" representation in the WA. Take from that what you will.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:23 pm

Just submitted:


Right To A Fair Trial
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong

Proposed by: The Seven Nations

Description: Description: Observing that there is currently no guarantee of justice for those accused of criminal acts.

Noting that convictions are often unsafe due to the absence of any legal requirements for a trial under international law

Remarking that miscarriages of justice are common.

Believing that it should be everyone’s right to be protected from malicious and unfair prosecution by law.

Further believing that the more rigorous examination of evidence seen in a fair trial will lead to fewer innocent people being unfairly punished.

Hereby mandates that all WA member nations guarantee a fair trial to anyone facing prosecution in their territory, in accordance with the following requirements:

Article 1 § That the accused be seen as innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt, thus placing the onus of proof on the prosecuting authority.

Article 2 § That the defendant be given the right to present his case or to be represented by a person of his choosing.

Article 3 § That the evidence shall be considered by an impartial jury of no less than 5 people and presided over by a judge with knowledge of the laws being applied and the requirements for a trial.

Article 4 § That all persons shall have the right to remain silent when questioned, and exercising this right shall not be used as evidence against them in court.

Article 5 § That information and testimony may not be extracted under duress or using any form of physical or psychological torture.

Article 6 § That the defendant shall have the right to question any witness who provides evidence.

Article 7 § That the defendant be entitled to appeal against both the sentence and verdict that has been passed.

Article 8 § That any punitive sentence passed by a court be proportional to the crime committed.

Article 9 § That the proceedings of the trial conclude within a reasonable time period.


Unless The Seven Nations is a Port Charlotte puppet, we're looking at plagiarism.
Everything you know about me is wrong. Or a rumor. Something like that.

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The Imperial Federations
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Postby The Imperial Federations » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:48 pm

The Grand Duchy of The Imperial Federations supports the proposed resolution to international law with an amendment to Article 1. That being that all accused criminals be guilty until proven innocent.

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Grays Harbor
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:24 pm

How quaint. Support for an illegal proposal.
Everything you know about me is wrong. Or a rumor. Something like that.

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The Imperial Federations
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Postby The Imperial Federations » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:32 pm

Can you site specific legislation or other proposals declaring this illegal my good sir?

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Grays Harbor
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:40 pm

OOC: read the topic, it's all there
Everything you know about me is wrong. Or a rumor. Something like that.

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Chester Pearson
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Postby Chester Pearson » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:44 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:Just submitted:


Right To A Fair Trial
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.

Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong

Proposed by: The Seven Nations

Description: Description: Observing that there is currently no guarantee of justice for those accused of criminal acts.

Noting that convictions are often unsafe due to the absence of any legal requirements for a trial under international law

Remarking that miscarriages of justice are common.

Believing that it should be everyone’s right to be protected from malicious and unfair prosecution by law.

Further believing that the more rigorous examination of evidence seen in a fair trial will lead to fewer innocent people being unfairly punished.

Hereby mandates that all WA member nations guarantee a fair trial to anyone facing prosecution in their territory, in accordance with the following requirements:

Article 1 § That the accused be seen as innocent until proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt, thus placing the onus of proof on the prosecuting authority.

Article 2 § That the defendant be given the right to present his case or to be represented by a person of his choosing.

Article 3 § That the evidence shall be considered by an impartial jury of no less than 5 people and presided over by a judge with knowledge of the laws being applied and the requirements for a trial.

Article 4 § That all persons shall have the right to remain silent when questioned, and exercising this right shall not be used as evidence against them in court.

Article 5 § That information and testimony may not be extracted under duress or using any form of physical or psychological torture.

Article 6 § That the defendant shall have the right to question any witness who provides evidence.

Article 7 § That the defendant be entitled to appeal against both the sentence and verdict that has been passed.

Article 8 § That any punitive sentence passed by a court be proportional to the crime committed.

Article 9 § That the proceedings of the trial conclude within a reasonable time period.


Unless The Seven Nations is a Port Charlotte puppet, we're looking at plagiarism.


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Grays Harbor
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:34 pm

Port Charlotte too.
Everything you know about me is wrong. Or a rumor. Something like that.

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Grays Harbor
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:59 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:Port Charlotte too.

That was a mistake, which has since been reversed.

noted.
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