Rise of Nazism in Greece?

[Draakonite]

the golden Dawn party
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(political_party)
apparently nazism has been on the rise as Greece's economy crumbles, The golden Dawn party has described as Fascist party in Greece. After recent events of one of their members murdering a left wing artist, outrage has struck the nation. For some reason there have been riots in Athens, does this Fascist party pose a real threat? Or is it really just nothing to worry about, what do you think?

This is nothing new. Radical ideologies always get more popular when live is miserable. Europe should concentrate to get greece finally out of their crisis. The support for radicals will dwindle automatically after that.

[Israeli Defense Force]

Please, leave the antisemitic /pol/ memes where they belong.

Can someone explain what "/pol/" is? I've seen it mentioned here before in reference to Antisemitism.

[DrakoBlaria]

Please, leave the antisemitic /pol/ memes where they belong.

Can someone explain what "/pol/" is? I've seen it mentioned here before in reference to Antisemitism.

Smells like 4chan...

[Lemanrussland]

Please, leave the antisemitic /pol/ memes where they belong.

Can someone explain what "/pol/" is? I've seen it mentioned here before in reference to Antisemitism.

It's a shitty politics discussion imageboard, where those pictures (along with lots of other antisemitic stuff, like this) originated.

I'd rather not talk about it too heavily, because it would probably derail this thread.

[Rainbows and Rivers]

Good Riddance to men who fought and died for their country?
How very open mindd and Tolerant of you.

For the last time, it's "tolerate everyone except the intolerant." Why do people always think that you can shut tolerance down with a logical paradox?

The Ukraine itself is an Interesting case, as their were actually Ukranians that Volunteered to fight with the Germans against Russia.

And afterwards we shot them and wrote books about how they were bad people.

[New Libertarian States]

Can someone explain what "/pol/" is? I've seen it mentioned here before in reference to Antisemitism.

Smells like 4chan...

It is 4chan.

[Farnhamia]

Which rights?

Yet Fascist governments have historically been neither effective nor efficient.

And in how many stable democratic nations does that actually happen?

So helping the less fortunate is bad, too?

No wonder no one likes Fascists. They come off as a mean spirited, petty lot.

1. Basic rights, freedom of speech, the press, right to bear arms, etc.

2. They have always made decisions that got shit done, instead of hanging on tiny issues for a long period of time.

3. It just happened 2 days ago, and is still ongoing. The fact that it can happen is almost scary.

4. Can you quote where I said that? Or are you just being a typical leftist and manipulating an argument to make me look bad? Probably the latter.

No wonder nobody with half a brain likes leftists, they come off as a manipulative, unintelligent lot.

edit;
Forgot the actual #1;
It doesn't matter what past ones did, it matters what the future can do.

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[The North Polish Union]

The Ukraine itself is an Interesting case, as their were actually Ukranians that Volunteered to fight with the Germans against Russia.

14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS
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TBH, that isn't much of a surprise, as WWII came almost directly after the USSR-directed Holodomor and the Ukrainians were probably still bitter (and quite rightly so, too).

[The North Polish Union]

Good Riddance to men who fought and died for their country?
How very open mindd and Tolerant of you.

For the last time, it's "tolerate everyone except the intolerant."

Isn't that being intolerant towards intolerant people, thus making you intolerant yourself?

[Coccygia]

For the last time, it's "tolerate everyone except the intolerant."

Isn't that being intolerant towards intolerant people, thus making you intolerant yourself?

What's wrong with being intolerant toward the intolerant? Who says EVERYBODY must be tolerated INCLUDING the intolerant?

[The North Polish Union]

Isn't that being intolerant towards intolerant people, thus making you intolerant yourself?

What's wrong with being intolerant toward the intolerant? Who says EVERYBODY must be tolerated INCLUDING the intolerant?

People who are actually tolerant?

[Rainbows and Rivers]

Isn't that being intolerant towards intolerant people, thus making you intolerant yourself?

No. People try to raise that point in the hopes that tolerance is like a robot from an old movie and will shut down if presented with a logical paradox, but that's not how it works. The culture of tolerance has an end goal in mind: a world in which everyone can live free of hatred and fear. Those who try to create hatred and fear are thus not tolerated. What's so complicated about that idea?

[The Genoese Cromanatum]

It's just General info.

Oh so you won't admit it came from a fascist blog, huh?

And where else should I get the source? Wikipedia.

Yes.

Or some Anti-Fa's chosen definition of what Fascism is?

I really don't give a fuck if you call wikipedia "anti-Fascist" or not.

It's a Revolutionary Nationalist movemnt that is Utilitarian, Authoritarian, Totalitarian.

You're still in denial. It's a nationalist ideology. Not a movement.

It see's society and the Nation as an organic whole in which all should work for the sommon Good and Strength of the Nation( that is to say the people themselves).

By depriving them of their rights and taking a shit all over minorities. Got it.

The State itself is molded to be more organic and culturally involve with the wellbeing of it's citizens, not just economically but Socially and Sprirtually.

Riiiight that must be why fascism has resulted in a fuckload of deaths. Some kind of wellbeing that is.

I Could Go on, but i have the feeling you don't really care, I can divulge more in TG if you really are interested.

Obviously I don't care.

Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini put it in better words than I do.

No disagreement there.

http://fascists.zxq.net/dfa.htm

So... a fascist site. Not a good source at all.

You should watch that strawman, some people are allergic.

[Yorkopolis]

I wasn't involved in this argument, but the moment I scooped this, was the moment my eyes burst out. The plain idiocy is horrible with this one.

5. They can, but democracy itself is a socialistic government.

Okay! Speedy lesson on what socialism is!

Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.

^[Source]

7. The fact that the people vote for their representatives and leaders is rather similar to socialism. Source? It's a pretty decent engine, I can't wait for Source Engine 2 to be released.

Nice derail at the end there. Either way, let's just bring this up again, for your mind has not managed to wrap itself around a simple, objective truth.

Socialism is an economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy.[1] "Social ownership" may refer to cooperative enterprises, common ownership, state ownership, citizen ownership of equity, or any combination of these.

^[Source]

Is that clear?

9. If anything, it's a benefit to the economy if done correctly. Also, where did I say gargantuan?

^{[Citation needed]}

12. Oh, didn't know that fitting the definition of Fascist means you aren't one.

The Roman Empire wasn't fascist. Why?

A. It wasn't totalitarian;
B. It had some form of voting system;
C. It wasn't ultranationalist;
D. It wasn't corporatist.

13. If being a corrupt and inefficient economy is going from a horrible, mega inflated economy to being one of the top 3 strongest economies and most powerful industrial nation in the world, then, sure. I'm sure no democracy has ever been crushed when it stood practically alone against multiple superpowers, empires, and their buddies.

The Nazi German economy was a war economy, built entirely around war and expansion. As soon as Germany was no longer at war, the economy would be shit hitting the fan, and well, that's exactly what happened in the end.

[Aquafireland]

I remember hearing this on the news.

[Attractive Ninjas]

Golden Dawn is fascist, not Nazi, and poses no threat to Western society, it seeks to preserve it. GD, Putin and the PVV are not threats, they are progressive in European thinking.

I'm sure, inside, all Europeans are relieved that people are actually trying to preserve their past. No amount of liberal bullshit can cover it up.

... ... Putin... Progressive?

The... The same sentence, I...

The Russian economy, military, birth rate, infrastructure, space program, & national pride beg to differ.

[The North Polish Union]

Isn't that being intolerant towards intolerant people, thus making you intolerant yourself?

No. People try to raise that point in the hopes that tolerance is like a robot from an old movie and will shut down if presented with a logical paradox, but that's not how it works. The culture of tolerance has an end goal in mind: a world in which everyone can live free of hatred and fear. Those who try to create hatred and fear are thus not tolerated. What's so complicated about that idea?

Ergo, our culture can only become tolerant by being intolerant of intolerant people?

This is not a "logical paradox." The logical paradox here comes from those claiming to be tolerant and to be for tolerance openly advocating being intolerant to those who they deem intolerant, which is in itself intolerant.

[Luveria]

... ... Putin... Progressive?

The... The same sentence, I...

The Russian economy, military, birth rate, infrastructure, space program, & national pride beg to differ.

So China is progressive too by your absurd definition of what progressivism is?

[Verdum]

[The Genoese Cromanatum]

The Russian economy, military, birth rate, infrastructure, space program, & national pride beg to differ.

So China is progressive too by your absurd definition of what progressivism is?

And your only definition of progression is an agenda which gives degenerates rights, I take it?

[Divair]

People turn to extremist ideologies during difficult economic times. If you have even a basic understanding of pre-WW2 history, you'd know this.

[Luveria]

So China is progressive too by your absurd definition of what progressivism is?

And your only definition of progression is an agenda which gives degenerates rights, I take it?

Do you mind telling me how the below has anything to do with being progressive? Do you have the slightest fucking clue what progressivism is?

... ... Putin... Progressive?

The... The same sentence, I...

The Russian economy, military, birth rate, infrastructure, space program, & national pride beg to differ.

[The Genoese Cromanatum]

And your only definition of progression is an agenda which gives degenerates rights, I take it?

Do you mind telling me how the below has anything to do with being progressive? Do you have the slightest fucking clue what progressivism is?

Progressivism in my general understanding is the ideal that the advance of science, economics, technology, and social development are key to improving the well-being of humanity. However, many people who use the term progressive only think in light of the social aspects, and nothing else. Forgive me if I had misunderstood you, however it's hard to make out what you mean when you strawman every post you see into oblivion. I'd have made this post longer, or more well thought out if I hadn't feared for it's life. No post deserves to be mutilated, it seems quite painful.

[Iaeptus]

People turn to extremist ideologies during difficult economic times. If you have even a basic understanding of pre-WW2 history, you'd know this.

Obviously the OP has limited knowledge of politics as well. Using Fascism and Nazism interchangeably is a mark of someone who doesn't care to learn the difference, and reflects badly on them on the whole.

[Luveria]

Do you mind telling me how the below has anything to do with being progressive? Do you have the slightest fucking clue what progressivism is?

Progressivism in my general understanding is the ideal that the advance of science, economics, technology, and social development are key to improving the well-being of humanity. However, many people who use the term progressive only think in light of the social aspects, and nothing else. Forgive me if I had misunderstood you, however it's hard to make out what you mean when you strawman every post you see into oblivion. I'd have made this post longer, or more well thought out if I hadn't feared for it's life. No post deserves to be mutilated, it seems quite painful.

and social development

Yes, that is one core tenet of progressivist politics. Putin's politics is restricting rights for minorities, which is the opposite of progressivism. China while not restricting rights of minorities, certainly is doing nothing to give minorities equal rights and has no plans to. Neither are progressive in any way. Technological and economic accomplishments aren't a distinguishing feature of progressivism, or the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany would be considered champions of progressivism. That is why it's absurd to associate Putin or China with progressivism.