Indira wrote:Good thing it didn't go off then, or it would come under the list of really dumb military mistakes.
If it had gone off, it would have sparked nuclear war. Everybody would assume the Soviets had dropped the bomb, and not unreasonably.
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by Resora » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:30 am
Indira wrote:Good thing it didn't go off then, or it would come under the list of really dumb military mistakes.
by Pagan Hungary » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:42 am
by The blood ravens » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:55 am
Pagan Hungary wrote:Saw this on the World of Tanks forum, pretty frightening for people in that area and the whole US of A.
by Len Hyet » Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:59 am
by Sebtopiaris » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:05 am
by Benuty » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:15 am
Sebtopiaris wrote:What would happen to the US government if North Carolina actually got nuked?
by Starkiller101 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:18 am
by European Socialist Republic » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:22 am
Sebtopiaris wrote:What would happen to the US government if North Carolina actually got nuked?
by The Revolutionary Fighters of Intel » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:23 am
Sebtopiaris wrote:What would happen to the US government if North Carolina actually got nuked?
by Arumdaum » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:23 am
Sebtopiaris wrote:What would happen to the US government if North Carolina actually got nuked?
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by AiliailiA » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:35 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by Sebtopiaris » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:46 am
by The blood ravens » Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:53 am
Ailiailia wrote:The blood ravens wrote:Even if it did go off it wouldn't have been a nuclear explosion, unless the crew inserted the core for some reason.
Second time in the thread you've asserted that. Are you sure it applies to the Mark 39 bomb ..?
EDIT: Looking more closely, I see also this. That's THREE times, so let's have a source from you.
by AiliailiA » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:32 am
The blood ravens wrote:Ailiailia wrote:
Second time in the thread you've asserted that. Are you sure it applies to the Mark 39 bomb ..?
EDIT: Looking more closely, I see also this. That's THREE times, so let's have a source from you.
I had incorrectly assumed that most US gravity bomb nuclear weapons utilized the system in which the pit was kept in the "bird cage", and had to be inserted into the bomb mid flight.
I apologize for the ignorance on my part, and failure to check what nuke was dropped before making claims.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_6_nuclear_bomb
http://www.flocomuseum.org/artifacts/mars-bluff-bomb/
For some reason the policy of the Air Force was the release the pin before take off in case it needed to be dropped. And then at 5,000 feet the pin was to be re-inserted until the time came to drop it.
When aircraft 53-1876A took-off they released the pin as per Air Force policy. Then once they had reached 5,000 feet the co-pilot reached down and pulled the lever that would re-insert the pin. The lever failed and the pilot’s instrumentation notified them that the pin was not set properly.
As the bombardier Bruce Kulka’s job was to help find targets and destroy them. As the person responsible for the bomb, Kukla was instructed by the pilot to go back there and figure out what is wrong. Because the bomb bay compartment is not pressurized the entire plane had to be depressurized and the whole crew had to go on oxygen.
The space in the plane where the bomb is stored is very tight. In fact, it was so small a space Kukla could not wear a parachute back there. The 7,600 pound bomb with dimensions of 10 feet, 8 inches long and 61 inches in diameter was just about as large as the inside of the B-47E. Kukla had to blindly reach up and try to re-insert the pin. Now remember, this place is crapped, Kukla can’t even see what he is doing and he is hauling around an oxygen tank. Turns out that instead of the pin Kukla grabs the emergency-release lever. The bomb drops onto the bomb bay doors with Kukla on top of the bomb. The co-pilot would later remark, “I wouldn’t even try to imagine what he was feeling in those seconds.” With the combined weight of Kukla and the bomb, the doors give way and the bomb and Kukla begin to drop. Having better luck now Kukla manages to grab onto something and stop his fall towards Earth.
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by AiliailiA » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:37 am
Cannot think of a name wrote:"Where's my immortality?" will be the new "Where's my jetpack?"
Maineiacs wrote:"We're going to build a canal, and we're going to make Columbia pay for it!" -- Teddy Roosevelt
Ifreann wrote:That's not a Freudian slip. A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother.
by The blood ravens » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:40 am
Ailiailia wrote:The blood ravens wrote:
I had incorrectly assumed that most US gravity bomb nuclear weapons utilized the system in which the pit was kept in the "bird cage", and had to be inserted into the bomb mid flight.
I apologize for the ignorance on my part, and failure to check what nuke was dropped before making claims.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_6_nuclear_bomb
http://www.flocomuseum.org/artifacts/mars-bluff-bomb/
Fair enough.
That second incident you mentioned was described in another link offered by another poster. While I'm dubious about the very title of it, since the Goldsboro bombs were also "dropped", sources sometimes have facts which other sources don't have.For some reason the policy of the Air Force was the release the pin before take off in case it needed to be dropped. And then at 5,000 feet the pin was to be re-inserted until the time came to drop it.
When aircraft 53-1876A took-off they released the pin as per Air Force policy. Then once they had reached 5,000 feet the co-pilot reached down and pulled the lever that would re-insert the pin. The lever failed and the pilot’s instrumentation notified them that the pin was not set properly.
As the bombardier Bruce Kulka’s job was to help find targets and destroy them. As the person responsible for the bomb, Kukla was instructed by the pilot to go back there and figure out what is wrong. Because the bomb bay compartment is not pressurized the entire plane had to be depressurized and the whole crew had to go on oxygen.
The space in the plane where the bomb is stored is very tight. In fact, it was so small a space Kukla could not wear a parachute back there. The 7,600 pound bomb with dimensions of 10 feet, 8 inches long and 61 inches in diameter was just about as large as the inside of the B-47E. Kukla had to blindly reach up and try to re-insert the pin. Now remember, this place is crapped, Kukla can’t even see what he is doing and he is hauling around an oxygen tank. Turns out that instead of the pin Kukla grabs the emergency-release lever. The bomb drops onto the bomb bay doors with Kukla on top of the bomb. The co-pilot would later remark, “I wouldn’t even try to imagine what he was feeling in those seconds.” With the combined weight of Kukla and the bomb, the doors give way and the bomb and Kukla begin to drop. Having better luck now Kukla manages to grab onto something and stop his fall towards Earth.
That first paragraph is what I found most interesting. It makes sense to me: over friendly territory a plane in trouble wants to drop their bombs (to keep from crashing by lightening the plane, or if they're going to crash anyway, keeping the bombs out of the burning wreckage). Remember that takeoff is a dangerous time for aircraft, exceeded only by landing. Taking the pin out during takeoff is a sensible safety precaution for routine non-combat flights.
But over enemy territory, or at sea where enemy forces could recover the bomb if it was dropped accidentally, you want to be really sure you don't drop the bomb by accident. Thus, the pin goes back in when the aircraft is at a safe flying altitude and the most likely thing to bring it down is enemy action. In that case, you want the bomb destroyed as thoroughly as possible, so if all else fails it stays in the plane as it crashes.
I could be making too much of the source, but it makes sense to me.
by Darra Adam Khel » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:47 am
by The blood ravens » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:51 am
Darra Adam Khel wrote:http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/24951 check this out they almost nuked SC as well
by Greed and Death » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:52 am
by Greed and Death » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:55 am
The blood ravens wrote:Ailiailia wrote:
Fair enough.
That second incident you mentioned was described in another link offered by another poster. While I'm dubious about the very title of it, since the Goldsboro bombs were also "dropped", sources sometimes have facts which other sources don't have.
That first paragraph is what I found most interesting. It makes sense to me: over friendly territory a plane in trouble wants to drop their bombs (to keep from crashing by lightening the plane, or if they're going to crash anyway, keeping the bombs out of the burning wreckage). Remember that takeoff is a dangerous time for aircraft, exceeded only by landing. Taking the pin out during takeoff is a sensible safety precaution for routine non-combat flights.
But over enemy territory, or at sea where enemy forces could recover the bomb if it was dropped accidentally, you want to be really sure you don't drop the bomb by accident. Thus, the pin goes back in when the aircraft is at a safe flying altitude and the most likely thing to bring it down is enemy action. In that case, you want the bomb destroyed as thoroughly as possible, so if all else fails it stays in the plane as it crashes.
I could be making too much of the source, but it makes sense to me.
It does make sense that you would not want to have your enemies to recover your nuclear weapons, and turn them against you.
Also I really question the logic behind doing these flights with live nuclear weapons.
I think someone mentioned the nukes lost in Georgia earlier, and I'd like to point out that it was a dud.
http://www.commandposts.com/2011/03/los ... confusion/
Its kind've scary that they lost this many nukes.
by Darra Adam Khel » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:56 am
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