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by Mavorpen » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:10 pm
by The Silence of Night » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:10 pm
by O5vx » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:10 pm
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:11 pm
by The Silence of Night » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:12 pm
by O5vx » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:12 pm
by Mavorpen » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:13 pm
by Mavorpen » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:14 pm
by O5vx » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:14 pm
How do you then explain the physical change that our body undergoes? If a physical object does not changes.The Silence of Night wrote:O5vx wrote:
No, DNA does not change over time but our bodies does, hence we can rule out DNA as being responsible for those changes.
No one was saying that DNA was responsible for the changes, they were saying it's responsible for us staying the same (If I understood the argument correctly).
by Blasveck » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:15 pm
O5vx wrote:How do you then explain the physical change that our body undergoes? If a physical object does not changes.The Silence of Night wrote:No one was saying that DNA was responsible for the changes, they were saying it's responsible for us staying the same (If I understood the argument correctly).
by Mavorpen » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:15 pm
O5vx wrote:How do you then explain the physical change that our body undergoes? If a physical object does not changes.The Silence of Night wrote:No one was saying that DNA was responsible for the changes, they were saying it's responsible for us staying the same (If I understood the argument correctly).
Mavorpen wrote:O5vx wrote:
Can you? Show me any thing that proves that it is possible.
http://engineering.mit.edu/live/news/10 ... s-measured
by The Silence of Night » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:15 pm
O5vx wrote:How do you then explain the physical change that our body undergoes? If a physical object does not changes.The Silence of Night wrote:No one was saying that DNA was responsible for the changes, they were saying it's responsible for us staying the same (If I understood the argument correctly).
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:15 pm
O5vx wrote:How do you then explain the physical change that our body undergoes? If a physical object does not changes.The Silence of Night wrote:No one was saying that DNA was responsible for the changes, they were saying it's responsible for us staying the same (If I understood the argument correctly).
by O5vx » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:17 pm
Mavorpen wrote:O5vx wrote:
Can you? Show me any thing that proves that it is possible.
http://engineering.mit.edu/live/news/10 ... s-measured
by Mavorpen » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:18 pm
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:19 pm
by The Silence of Night » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:19 pm
by Seperates » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:19 pm
O5vx wrote:My last and final argument. And there is actually more than one reason that we have this intuitive sense of the transcendent nature of our identity as humans. We also understand this based on the fact that we do NOT lose our identity over time. Let’s do another exercise together. Imagine that you own a beautiful 1972 Volkswagen Bug (just like mine). It is in mint condition and perfect in every way. No dings, no damage; a true collector’s item. Now imagine that your next door neighbor also owns a 1972 VW Bug. What a coincidence. The only difference between the two is that his Bug is a mess. Old and damaged, it doesn’t run and looks like a complete piece of junk. One day as you look out your window, you notice that the front quarter panel on YOUR Bug looks just like the old front quarter panel that used to be on your neighbors Bug! And sure enough, his Bug now has a quarter panel that looks just like yours! It appears as though the panels have been exchanged, one for the other! Now suspend logic a little bit here and imagine that over the next years, each and every day, more and more of your Bug was seen on your neighbor’s Bug, cleanly exchanged for parts from YOUR vehicle! In fact, at the end of the year, the Bug sitting on YOUR driveway looks suspiciously like your NEIGHBOR’S Bug. All the parts have been exchanged.
OK, now let me ask you a question: that Bug that is now sitting in your driveway. Whose Bug is it? Is it yours? Or is it your neighbor’s? I think we would agree that the Bug sitting in your driveway, even though it is on your property, is actually the Bug that used to belong to your neighbor! So, what’s the point of all this? Simply this: physical things are dependent on their parts for their identity. When the parts get exchanged, their identity changes as well. At some point, that Bug was no longer your Bug. Even when only ONE part had been replaced, you would not have been happy about it. You would have to admit that a pristine 1974 Bug with one crummy quarter panel was NOT your Bug!
But while physical things are dependent on their parts for their identity, Souls are NOT. Look at yourself in the mirror. Do you have the same body today that you had ten years ago? No. Each and every cell in your body has been renewed and replaced. Some would argue that brain cells are NOT renewed, but that ignores what is happening at the cellular level WITHIN each cell. The replacement process is taking place at that level, until whatever brain cells you were born with have nothing in common with what you now have. So let’s be very strict about this. While you have a very different body than you had years ago, YOU are still YOU! So clearly YOU cannot be described as something that is purely physical, because physical things that have different PARTS have a different identity.
by Grave_n_idle » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:20 pm
by Seperates » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:21 pm
by Seperates » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:24 pm
O5vx wrote:How do you then explain the physical change that our body undergoes? If a physical object does not changes.The Silence of Night wrote:No one was saying that DNA was responsible for the changes, they were saying it's responsible for us staying the same (If I understood the argument correctly).
by Seperates » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:29 pm
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