[2ND DRAFT] Condemn Lolloh

[Sanarova]

Due to complaints that my first proposal wasn't good enough, I have made up a second one.

The World Assembly:
SHOCKED to learn that Lolloh violated peace treaties they made with their allies and invaded the national sovereignty of their neighbors; (1,2)

NOTING that Lolloh directly violated WA Resolution 24# by supporting violent terrorist groups in Ruolnik who are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians (1)

HORRIFIED that Lolloh's navy opened fire on civilian shipping and that Lolloh fully authorized airstrikes against protesters. (1,2,3,4)

ADDING that Lolloh violated WA Resolution 38# when they rounded up ethnic Ontorisians for systematic extermination. (3,4)

APPALLED that Lolloh has invaded numerous countries with the intent of creating a democratic government only to turn that government into a puppet of Lolloh and banish all civil rights for the people in those nations.

SURPRISED that Lollohian troops attacked the International War Court with the intent of taking the judges hostage; (5)

AWARE that Lolloh has tried to cover up the evidence of genocide and mass murder and tried to silence international judges that ruled against them; (5,3,4)

STATING that Lolloh has been involved in 3 different wars where they have committed genocide and fired on unarmed civilians with no provocation with civilian casualties estimated in the millions.

The WA Condemns Lolloh

Here is the evidence of Lolloh's condemnable actions:
1. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=229930
2. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=250302&start=150
3. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=236473&hilit=Minx&start=75
4. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=252697&start=25
5. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=243186&p=14656462#p14656462url: Very bottom of page, entitled security breach
Red Numbers correspond with the link that leads to where the act was committed. Courtesy of Inyourfaceistan

[Slafstopia]

You do realise that a large issue with the whole "Condemn Lolloh" idea is that Lolloh hasn't done enough for a condemnation, and no new proposal will fix that?

[Sanarova]

You do realise that a large issue with the whole "Condemn Lolloh" idea is that Lolloh hasn't done enough for a condemnation, and no new proposal will fix that?

If what Lolloh has done is not worthy to be condemned by the WA, I don't even want to know what you have to do to be condemned.

[Slafstopia]

You do realise that a large issue with the whole "Condemn Lolloh" idea is that Lolloh hasn't done enough for a condemnation, and no new proposal will fix that?

If what Lolloh has done is not worthy to be condemned by the WA, I don't even want to know what you have to do to be condemned.

Something like, invade hundreds of regions, eject hundreds of nations needlessly, kill millions, etc. Not invade one country, have a war, and kill 8 diplomats.

[Arcturus Novus]

This condemnation should not exist, modified or not. The acts displayed by the nation of Lolloh are abhorrent, yes, but hardly condemnable. Even the United States has done similar acts in real life.

[Bodobol]

If what Lolloh has done is not worthy to be condemned by the WA, I don't even want to know what you have to do to be condemned.

Something like, invade hundreds of regions, eject hundreds of nations needlessly, kill millions, etc. Not invade one country, have a war, and kill 8 diplomats.

Exactly.

[Indigo Seas]

If what Lolloh has done is not worthy to be condemned by the WA, I don't even want to know what you have to do to be condemned.

Something like, invade hundreds of regions, eject hundreds of nations needlessly, kill millions, etc. Not invade one country, have a war, and kill 8 diplomats.

This.

[Zeganas]

If what Lolloh has done is not worthy to be condemned by the WA, I don't even want to know what you have to do to be condemned.

Something like, invade hundreds of regions, eject hundreds of nations needlessly, kill millions, etc. Not invade one country, have a war, and kill 8 diplomats.

I agree, we might as well condemn sanarova for false condemning if that's how he thinks about it.

[Bodobol]

Something like, invade hundreds of regions, eject hundreds of nations needlessly, kill millions, etc. Not invade one country, have a war, and kill 8 diplomats.

I agree, we might as well condemn sanarova for false condemning if that's how he thinks about it.

That is also something unworthy of an SC Condemnation.

[Sanarova]

If what Lolloh has done is not worthy to be condemned by the WA, I don't even want to know what you have to do to be condemned.

Something like, invade hundreds of regions, eject hundreds of nations needlessly, kill millions, etc. Not invade one country, have a war, and kill 8 diplomats.

He has invaded more that one country, had more than one war, and did more than kill 8 diplomats. Is committing genocide and slaughtering unarmed civilians not considered "condemn worthy." If I had the choice to punish a Region Raider or a genocidal nation, I'd punish the genocidal nations. Regional invaders just kick nation's out of their alliances while genocidal ones murder people. Apparently, politics is more important than human lives here.

[Zeganas]

I agree, we might as well condemn sanarova for false condemning if that's how he thinks about it.

That is also something unworthy of an SC Condemnation.

What I mean by "if that's how he thinks about it" is that if that's allowed then we might as well condemn him too.

[Bodobol]

Something like, invade hundreds of regions, eject hundreds of nations needlessly, kill millions, etc. Not invade one country, have a war, and kill 8 diplomats.

He has invaded more that one country, had more than one war, and did more than kill 8 diplomats. Is committing genocide and slaughtering unarmed civilians not considered "condemn worthy." If I had the choice to punish a Region Raider or a genocidal nation, I'd punish the genocidal nations. Regional invaders just kick nation's out of their alliances while genocidal ones murder people. Apparently, politics is more important than human lives here.

Except only raiders of massive, storied regions (like the feeders and sinkers) tend to get condemned; unfortunately, there are tons of nations committing genocide out there on NS that are in the WA; condemning all of them would be impossible. The main reason invaders tend to get condemned is that they affect far more NS nations. Take a look at SCR #110, 'Condemn Yauna', for an example of a decent condemnation.

[Ramaeus]

Something like, invade hundreds of regions, eject hundreds of nations needlessly, kill millions, etc. Not invade one country, have a war, and kill 8 diplomats.

He has invaded more that one country, had more than one war, and did more than kill 8 diplomats. Is committing genocide and slaughtering unarmed civilians not considered "condemn worthy." If I had the choice to punish a Region Raider or a genocidal nation, I'd punish the genocidal nations. Regional invaders just kick nation's out of their alliances while genocidal ones murder people. Apparently, politics is more important than human lives here.

Well then, give an approximation of how many wars he's had, how many countries he's invaded, and how many people he's killed. Put THAT in your proposal. You might actually get somewhere.

[Damanucus]

Can you please annotate your draft with references to the evidence given below? I want to judge for myself whether the evidence matches the claim.

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

[Ontorisa]

If you're going to talk about the Minx Massacre, you should talk to me considering these ethnics originated from my country. Lolloh and I have already solved the slaughter of the ethnics via compensation of $720000 NSD to the families of the affected or dead. Try gathering evidence from the guy who launched a War Crime call on Lolloh on II (Moi).

[Lolloh]

My defense, though I don't think it's necessary at this rate:

SHOCKED to learn that Lolloh violated peace treaties they made with their allies and invaded the national sovereignty of their neighbors; (1,2): It wasn't all my fault. Think of it like North and South Vietnam in the Paris Peace Accords. They both claimed the other was violating the truce, so war restarted.

NOTING that Lolloh directly violated WA Resolution 24# by supporting violent terrorist groups in Ruolnik who are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians (1): If you call setting off a bomb amongst military personnel and saving a leader from being lynched as 'support a violent terrorist organization,' then you're absolutely right!

HORRIFIED that Lolloh's navy opened fire on civilian shipping and that Lolloh fully authorized airstrikes against protesters. (1,2,3,4): 1. Never fired upon civilian shipping. The procedure was to apprehend ships, bring them to port under escort, then send them back to Ruolni. 2. Minx: The protestors were armed extremists poised to blow up City Hall 3. Vonver: Anulled by Vonver himself

ADDING that Lolloh violated WA Resolution 38# when they rounded up ethnic Ontorisians for systematic extermination. (3,4): I also gave $115 million in compensation to victims, as well as firing, blacklisting, and denying pension to the 51.000 people involved in the holocaust.

APPALLED that Lolloh has invaded numerous countries with the intent of creating a democratic government only to turn that government into a puppet of Lolloh and banish all civil rights for the people in those nation: Numerous countries? Less than 6. And what's this about banishing civil rights? I never did such a thing, and you have 0 evidence to suggest otherwise.

SURPRISED that Lollohian troops attacked the International War Court with the intent of taking the judges hostage; (5): Actually, it was to secure the building from monarchists, and, to a certain extent, to protect Lollohian nationals inside the building. I never intended to take anyone hostage, just raise my flag over the compound.

AWARE that Lolloh has tried to cover up the evidence of genocide and mass murder and tried to silence international judges that ruled against them; (5,3,4): I NEVER tried to deny the Minx Genocide, merely kept a few documents on it secret. I never denied that it took place, or threatened any judges. That, and the case was never taken to court before.

STATING that Lolloh has been involved in 3 different wars where they have committed genocide and fired on unarmed civilians with no provocation with civilian casualties estimated in the millions: 3 different wars? Minx is the only one. I never fired upon unarmed civilians, and civilian casualties for the Minx Airstrike were 20.000 Admittedly, a lot, but certainly not millions.

So, what do YOU think?

[Ramaeus]

The World Assembly:

SHOCKED to learn that Lolloh violated peace treaties they made with their allies and invaded the national sovereignty of their neighbors; (1,2)

How many and how did they violate those treaties?

NOTING that Lolloh directly violated WA Resolution 24# by supporting violent terrorist groups in Ruolnik who are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians (1)

Precedence has already been set, you can't condemn a nation because they didn't comply to a couple of WA resolutions. http://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pas ... /start=364 Repeal "Condemn Hippostania".

HORRIFIED that Lolloh's navy opened fire on civilian shipping and that Lolloh fully authorized airstrikes against protesters. (1,2,3,4)

How many people were killed?

ADDING that Lolloh violated WA Resolution 38# when they rounded up ethnic Ontorisians for systematic extermination. (3,4)

Again, you can't Condemn a nation because they didn't comply with a couple of WA resolutions.

BELIEVING that it is fully unrealistic to expect all nations in the WA to comply to the letter of every mandate, law, and sub-council given power in these halls,

SkyDip, Repeal Condemn Hippostania.

APPALLED that Lolloh has invaded numerous countries with the intent of creating a democratic government only to turn that government into a puppet of Lolloh and banish all civil rights for the people in those nations.

Mention a few of the prominent countries.

SURPRISED that Lollohian troops attacked the International War Court with the intent of taking the judges hostage; (5)

AWARE that Lolloh has tried to cover up the evidence of genocide and mass murder and tried to silence international judges that ruled against them; (5,3,4)

STATING that Lolloh has been involved in 3 different wars where they have committed genocide and fired on unarmed civilians with no provocation with civilian casualties estimated in the millions.

A bit awkward there, try rephrasing it.

The WA Condemns Lolloh

Don't forget a period at the end.

Here is the evidence of Lolloh's condemnable actions:
1. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=229930
2. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=250302&start=150
3. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=236473&hilit=Minx&start=75
4. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=252697&start=25
5. http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=243186&p=14656462#p14656462url: Very bottom of page, entitled security breach
Red Numbers correspond with the link that leads to where the act was committed. Courtesy of Inyourfaceistan

[Slafstopia]

NOTING that Lolloh directly violated WA Resolution 24# by supporting violent terrorist groups in Ruolnik who are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians (1)

Precedence has already been set, you can't condemn a nation because they didn't comply to a couple of WA resolutions. http://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pas ... /start=364 Repeal "Condemn Hippostania"

You can use breaches of GA law as evidence in a proposal. But you can't use it as your entire argument.

[Ramaeus]

Precedence has already been set, you can't condemn a nation because they didn't comply to a couple of WA resolutions. http://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pas ... /start=364 Repeal "Condemn Hippostania"

You can use breaches of GA law as evidence in a proposal. But you can't use it as your entire argument.

I see. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Sanarova]

Feed back much appreciated.

[Damanucus]

SHOCKED to learn that Lolloh violated peace treaties they made with their allies and invaded the national sovereignty of their neighbors; (1,2)

We'll determine that.

NOTING that Lolloh directly violated WA Resolution 24# by supporting violent terrorist groups in Ruolnik who are directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians (1)

Checked the incident report for that one. No evidence exists that there were any terrorist groups in Ruolnik under Lolloh funding. If you can be more specific as to where these supposed terrorists entered, then I may retract that statement.

HORRIFIED that Lolloh's navy opened fire on civilian shipping and that Lolloh fully authorized airstrikes against protesters. (1,2,3,4)

Not finding any evidence there...

ADDING that Lolloh violated WA Resolution 38# when they rounded up ethnic Ontorisians for systematic extermination. (3,4)

This looks more like the actions of Firmadorian officials that Lollohian officials, judging the record.

APPALLED that Lolloh has invaded numerous countries with the intent of creating a democratic government only to turn that government into a puppet of Lolloh and banish all civil rights for the people in those nations.

Evidence, please?

SURPRISED that Lollohian troops attacked the International War Court with the intent of taking the judges hostage; (5)

(OOC: This is an interesting one, seeing as the thread went wildly off track before Lolloh "ended the silliness". I'll consider this a questionable statement, and hence void for the purposes of this condemnation.)

AWARE that Lolloh has tried to cover up the evidence of genocide and mass murder and tried to silence international judges that ruled against them; (5,3,4)

Can't see any evidence to support this either.

STATING that Lolloh has been involved in 3 different wars where they have committed genocide and fired on unarmed civilians with no provocation with civilian casualties estimated in the millions.

We understand that they've been involved in three wars, but in regards to their shooting innocents...well, there are a few questions being raised there...

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

(OOC: Okay, I'm going to be brutally honest here: This is an extremely poorly thought-out condemnation. I don't think you've actually examined the evidence provided to you. Additionally, the fact that you, by your admission, are not very familiar with Lolloh—heck, you've been in the game for just over a week!—means that, in regards to this condemnation, you are not the best person to undertake this endeavour. Before you run, you need to be able to walk, which requires you to both stand and crawl, both of which require you to be able to support yourself on all fours; get yourself up on all fours first before you try anything else.)

[Lolloh]

Well, he got cancelled out, so that's the end of it!

[Indigo Seas]

So wait, what happened? Who deleted Sanarova?

[Lanodia]

So wait, what happened? Who deleted Sanarova?

OOC- He was only on here for a week. I also searched the Mod forum and couldn't find much that would've caused his deletion. Must've been a game side issue.

[Alcatrain Boom Squad HQ]

As soon as I had seen this resolution all I could do is laugh. I swear, I think every nation here has done these acts at least once.