Valentir wrote:Kick Greece out of the EU and allow Turkey to invade it. If they don't stop of course. Though I wouldn't mind if Greece was invaded anyway.....
Val? Is that you? Are you ok buddy? What did those French do to you?!?!
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by DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:04 am
Valentir wrote:Kick Greece out of the EU and allow Turkey to invade it. If they don't stop of course. Though I wouldn't mind if Greece was invaded anyway.....
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
by DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:05 am
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
by Valentir » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:09 am
by Gravlen » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:37 am
162. All the centres visited by the bodies and organisations that produced the reports listed above describe a similar situation to varying degrees of gravity: overcrowding, dirt, lack of space, lack of ventilation, little or no possibility of taking a walk, no place to relax, insufficient mattresses, dirty mattresses, no free access to toilets, inadequate sanitary facilities, no privacy, limited access to care. Many of the people interviewed
also complained of insults, particularly racist insults, proffered by staff and the use of physical violence by guards.
He allegedly spent months living in a state of the most extreme poverty, unable to cater for his most basic needs: food,hygiene and a place to live. Added to that was the ever-present fear of being attacked and robbed and the total lack of any likelihood of his situation improving.
On the night of 30 September to 1 October 2012, fifteen immigrants detained in Thesprotia Police Headquarters (for having illegally entered Greece) wrestled the guards who had entered their cell to remove the garbage and escaped. They were later apprehended and charged with escape under the Greek Criminal Code (Article 173 para 1).
The judge found that the accused had indeed perpetrated the crime of escape. However, he went on to consider the conditions of their detention for a period of up to a month and a half. His description is blood-chilling: the accused had been held in a room with only one chemical toilet, no water, no cleaning or any other form of sanitation, and they all had to sleep in that same room, which did not allow them to even lie down on the floor (it was only 15 sq m, apprx 160 sq ft, and there were no beds). The accused had not been given access to showers or clothing, and many of them suffered from lice or even typhus and other communicable diseases, as a result of the fact that they had not been able to shower or change clothes for months. The accused were limited to the tiny cell 24 hours per day, with no provision for exercise, or even a breath of fresh air.
The judge found such conditions to be in clear violation of Article 3 of the ECHR (prohibition of torture or inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment), while he also went on to state that both the conditions and the duration of detention of the accused, who were awaiting expulsion but had not been charged with any crime, was such as to also violate Articles 3, 8 (right to respect for private and family life), and 13 ECHR (right to an effective remedy). This, the judge said, constituted a state of necessity which precluded the accused’s liability for the crime of escape. The conditions in which they were held put their life and health in extreme danger through no fault of their own; the only way for them to escape that danger was to escape from detention, an act for which they could not be held criminally liable. All fifteen accused were acquitted.
by DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:43 am
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
by Vazdania » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:45 am
by Valentir » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:46 am
Greece has recently been rounding up Immigrants, LGBT's, drug users, sex workers, and those in debt into internment camps under the name of Operation Zeus?
In my opinion, immediate international pressure needs to be placed against the greeks to discontinue the camps and to allow inspectors in to oversee this process. If evidence is found of deliberate genocide or passive genocide (by making the camps so awful that people die from the conditions) then military intervention may be required. There must be sanctions, and the government must be brought to trial.
by DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:48 am
Valentir wrote:DrakoBlaria wrote:
What actions? You are just jellyGreece has recently been rounding up Immigrants, LGBT's, drug users, sex workers, and those in debt into internment camps under the name of Operation Zeus?
My stance on this issue is of the OP:In my opinion, immediate international pressure needs to be placed against the greeks to discontinue the camps and to allow inspectors in to oversee this process. If evidence is found of deliberate genocide or passive genocide (by making the camps so awful that people die from the conditions) then military intervention may be required. There must be sanctions, and the government must be brought to trial.
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
by Valentir » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:49 am
DrakoBlaria wrote:Valentir wrote:Greece has recently been rounding up Immigrants, LGBT's, drug users, sex workers, and those in debt into internment camps under the name of Operation Zeus?
My stance on this issue is of the OP:In my opinion, immediate international pressure needs to be placed against the greeks to discontinue the camps and to allow inspectors in to oversee this process. If evidence is found of deliberate genocide or passive genocide (by making the camps so awful that people die from the conditions) then military intervention may be required. There must be sanctions, and the government must be brought to trial.
THEY ARE GIVEN FREE HOMES FOR FUCK'S SAKE!
Seriously mate, how is that a crime? There are Greeks living in worse conditions
by DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:51 am
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
by Valentir » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:01 am
DrakoBlaria wrote:Valentir wrote:Free homes? A source would be nice.
Soz, not home's but a place to stay. Better than living in the streets dont ya think? There is no genocide against them. The only genocide taking place is against the Greeks via mass immigration and austerity measures ordered by that female(?) pig
In the last year Greece has built a series of internment camps and launched raids on immigrant, addict and sex worker communities. Now they are coming for poor and the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Trans (LGBT) people too.
by DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:05 am
Valentir wrote:DrakoBlaria wrote:
Soz, not home's but a place to stay. Better than living in the streets dont ya think? There is no genocide against them. The only genocide taking place is against the Greeks via mass immigration and austerity measures ordered by that female(?) pig
Yes because prison camps are much better than the street.In the last year Greece has built a series of internment camps and launched raids on immigrant, addict and sex worker communities. Now they are coming for poor and the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Trans (LGBT) people too.
This is not acceptable and if you think it then I have no respect for you really.
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
by Valentir » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:08 am
DrakoBlaria wrote:Valentir wrote:Yes because prison camps are much better than the street.In the last year Greece has built a series of internment camps and launched raids on immigrant, addict and sex worker communities. Now they are coming for poor and the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Trans (LGBT) people too.
This is not acceptable and if you think it then I have no respect for you really.
I don't think it is a good solution either. We should send them back from where they came already!
by DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:10 am
Valentir wrote:DrakoBlaria wrote:
I don't think it is a good solution either. We should send them back from where they came already!
Hitler said we should sent the Jews away, and look how that turned out in the end. And if the allegations of Genocide or Genocidal Conditions are true then Greece should be kicked out of the EU and forced to pay reparations.
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
by Valentir » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:15 am
DrakoBlaria wrote:Valentir wrote:Hitler said we should sent the Jews away, and look how that turned out in the end. And if the allegations of Genocide or Genocidal Conditions are true then Greece should be kicked out of the EU and forced to pay reparations.
Pay reparations to who?
And no genocide is taking place! If anyone is to pay reparation that is Germany, still owes it to us since freaking WWII
by Gravlen » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:20 am
Asylum seekers and migrants face inhumane conditions in Greece, according to an Amnesty International report released Thursday. The report says that authorities are too slow in processing asylum claims, resulting in long waits in overcrowded facilities. In addition, they often become victims of the rising wave of xenophobia sweeping Greece.
"Greece's failure to respect the rights of migrants and asylum-seekers is taking on the proportions of a humanitarian crisis," said John Dalhuisen, Europe and Central Asia Program Director at Amnesty International on a statement released Thursday. "Against a backdrop of sustained migratory pressure, profound economic crisis and rising xenophobic sentiment, Greece is proving itself incapable of providing even the most basic requirements of safety and shelter to the thousands of asylum seekers and migrants arriving each year."
by DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:25 am
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
by Valentir » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:30 am
DrakoBlaria wrote:Ok, if they don't like Greece and we are treating them badly then they can GET OUT OF Greece
by DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:34 am
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
by Gravlen » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:04 am
DrakoBlaria wrote:Ok, if they don't like Greece and we are treating them badly then they can GET OUT OF Greece
by Libertarian California » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:08 am
by DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:25 am
Gravlen wrote:DrakoBlaria wrote:Ok, if they don't like Greece and we are treating them badly then they can GET OUT OF Greece
Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? The Greek government is using squalid and horrible conditions as an attempted deterrent against asylum seekers. Trouble is, many people come from even worse areas. Syrian refugees, with legitimate claims to asylum, are an example of people who simply cannot go back home.
Greece has an obligation to provide adequate care and living facilities for asylum seekers. It is true that the (already broken) Greek asylum system has been overwhelmed, but that doesn't mean that the answer is simply "get out". On the contrary, the answer is to seek cooperation from other EU member states, and have them help share the burden.
(That means that, while Greece is responsible and has a duty to attempt to alleviate the situation, the blame is also shared with the other EU member states, most of whom have been slow to react and not particularly helpful.)
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
by Gravlen » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:47 am
DrakoBlaria wrote:Gravlen wrote:Yeah, that's the thing, isn't it? The Greek government is using squalid and horrible conditions as an attempted deterrent against asylum seekers. Trouble is, many people come from even worse areas. Syrian refugees, with legitimate claims to asylum, are an example of people who simply cannot go back home.
Greece has an obligation to provide adequate care and living facilities for asylum seekers. It is true that the (already broken) Greek asylum system has been overwhelmed, but that doesn't mean that the answer is simply "get out". On the contrary, the answer is to seek cooperation from other EU member states, and have them help share the burden.
(That means that, while Greece is responsible and has a duty to attempt to alleviate the situation, the blame is also shared with the other EU member states, most of whom have been slow to react and not particularly helpful.)
Emm, I am all for protected Syrians but most immigrants are actually from Pakistan and African countries and are more than those who we can support
by Divided America » Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:48 am
by Republic of Greater America » Fri Aug 02, 2013 12:17 pm
Druach wrote:Republic of Greater America wrote:Who cares? I'm glad that err...Zeus is locking up the dregs of society. Only problem with it is that they should let the educated immigrants (although I doubt Zeus is throwing them in there) go. Beyond that, might as well throw the rest of them into the ocean, I'll still be celebrating!
Please explain how immigrants and LGBT are the "dregs" of society.
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