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Postby Mike the Progressive » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:41 pm

The better question is why is nobody talking about the FEMA death/work camps, created by executive decree under Chairman Mao Obama, hmm?

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Postby Vareiln » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:44 pm

Zavea wrote:
Vareiln wrote:So people(Namely, the more disadvantaged members of society) are being rounded up in internment camps, and, as of this moment, 85 of 260 people on NSG don't have a problem with it.
Wow.


i'm sort of surprised this thread hasn't gotten more attention than it has almost solely because when a state acts like this it's very often one of the first steps that lead to genocide (we've seen this story repeated throughout history several times in our post-WWII earth) and as i understand there was already quite a schism in greece over the treatment of minorities

I'm rather stunned myself. Hell, even if this doesn't lead to genocide, this is still fucked up beyond belief, so why is there not more attention on this?

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Postby New Laikland » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:49 pm

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Good for Greece. Let them do whatever the fuck they want. It's their country.

Now we just need to hope that Golden Dawn gains power.

Golden Dawn would be a disaster for Greece. The evidence of racism by the organisation is already clear.


How does that relate to being a disaster?

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Postby Zavea » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:49 pm

Vareiln wrote:
Zavea wrote:
i'm sort of surprised this thread hasn't gotten more attention than it has almost solely because when a state acts like this it's very often one of the first steps that lead to genocide (we've seen this story repeated throughout history several times in our post-WWII earth) and as i understand there was already quite a schism in greece over the treatment of minorities

I'm rather stunned myself. Hell, even if this doesn't lead to genocide, this is still fucked up beyond belief, so why is there not more attention on this?


(incoming cynicism) i'm willing to bet that a lot of people aren't willing to perceive a country like greece, so connected to the developed economies of the world, as being a perpetrator of something so violent, particularly concerning the complex economic situation from there which as i see it is drumming up a lot of support for radical policies that shift the blame

there's no need to compare this against the holocaust, though (something of that scale sounds unlikely, obviously) because it can't be denied that this is a bad thing and it will damage the country and likely cost people their lives and freedom, and that's bad enough
is it pronounced zay-vee-uh or zuh-vay-uh? i can't decide

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Postby New Laikland » Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:54 pm

Zavea wrote:
(incoming cynicism) i'm willing to bet that a lot of people aren't willing to perceive a country like greece, so connected to the developed economies of the world, as being a perpetrator of something so violent, particularly concerning the complex economic situation from there which as i see it is drumming up a lot of support for radical policies that shift the blame

there's no need to compare this against the holocaust, though (something of that scale sounds unlikely, obviously) because it can't be denied that this is a bad thing and it will damage the country and likely cost people their lives and freedom, and that's bad enough

Can you explain further? The last country to round up people it didn't like and go extremist became one of the most powerful empires in history and invented/paved the way to inventions that we use to this day, every day. The Ancient Greeks weren't too far off, either. Surely the Roman Empire who did similar things (with slaves as well!) was a "bad, damaged country", right?

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Postby Trollgaard » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:00 pm

Is this real? Like really?

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:05 pm

New Laikland wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:Golden Dawn would be a disaster for Greece. The evidence of racism by the organisation is already clear.


How does that relate to being a disaster?

A societal disaster to be honest. I thought we've long moved away from the days of discrimination over the colour of their skin, or where they come from.

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Postby New Laikland » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:57 pm

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:A societal disaster to be honest. I thought we've long moved away from the days of discrimination over the colour of their skin, or where they come from.

That isn't really possible until we separate. Different races and cultures just can't mix, and we've seen that time and time again. The Greeks are returning to the old days, I personally would expect to see Greece either rise up to be powerful again or be crushed by the armies of liberalism.

Until we learn that we can't mix together peacefully and learn that everyone needs their own land to get along, stuff like this will happen. The South Africans attacked and killed over 3,800 Afrikaan farmers just for being white, and I didn't see any news coverage of that. Europe is being destroyed and rotted from the inside out, and I still see nothing about it. This is self defense, every other race and culture has done it and will do it, so to assume that Europeans need to let themselves disappear is just horribly bigoted.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:09 pm

New Laikland wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:A societal disaster to be honest. I thought we've long moved away from the days of discrimination over the colour of their skin, or where they come from.

That isn't really possible until we separate. Different races and cultures just can't mix, and we've seen that time and time again. The Greeks are returning to the old days, I personally would expect to see Greece either rise up to be powerful again or be crushed by the armies of liberalism.

Until we learn that we can't mix together peacefully and learn that everyone needs their own land to get along, stuff like this will happen. The South Africans attacked and killed over 3,800 Afrikaan farmers just for being white, and I didn't see any news coverage of that. Europe is being destroyed and rotted from the inside out, and I still see nothing about it. This is self defense, every other race and culture has done it and will do it, so to assume that Europeans need to let themselves disappear is just horribly bigoted.


Right, Europe is the only place that people of different ethnicities are trying to live together. Cos India totally only has one ethnic group... :roll:
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:10 pm

Vareiln wrote:So people(Namely, the more disadvantaged members of society) are being rounded up in internment camps, and, as of this moment, 85 of 260 people on NSG don't have a problem with it.
Wow.

non-interventionism :roll:
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Postby New Laikland » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:17 am

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Right, Europe is the only place that people of different ethnicities are trying to live together. Cos India totally only has one ethnic group... :roll:


Look how peaceful they're going there. Look how low crime the US has. A country such as Japan has the 3rd largest economy in the world (or somewhere there), one of (if not THE) highest life expectancy rate, a decent, modern, defensive military as well as, I'd say the world's leader in robotic technology. China is rising quickly, and both of those countries have around 99% native population.

Then there's the EU and US, flooded with immigrants that go through regular cycles of recession because of the huge amount of welfare handed out as well as retarded central banking systems.

Mixing people together doesn't work.

EDIT: The most self explanatory thing in this post, look at Greece and Italy.
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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:43 am

New Laikland wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Right, Europe is the only place that people of different ethnicities are trying to live together. Cos India totally only has one ethnic group... :roll:


Look how peaceful they're going there. Look how low crime the US has. A country such as Japan has the 3rd largest economy in the world (or somewhere there), one of (if not THE) highest life expectancy rate, a decent, modern, defensive military as well as, I'd say the world's leader in robotic technology. China is rising quickly, and both of those countries have around 99% native population.

Then there's the EU and US, flooded with immigrants that go through regular cycles of recession because of the huge amount of welfare handed out as well as retarded central banking systems.

Mixing people together doesn't work.

EDIT: The most self explanatory thing in this post, look at Greece and Italy.


Too lazy to check the debate, but are people here saying that mass illegal immigration is benifiting Greece? (not you, the other guys)
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Postby New Laikland » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:45 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
Too lazy to check the debate, but are people here saying that mass illegal immigration is benifiting Greece? (not you, the other guys)

The thread is mainly liberal blabbering about how it's a "step backwards" for Greeks, and heavily implying that mass immigration to Europe isn't a problem and there's no reason to be doing this

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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:46 am

New Laikland wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
Too lazy to check the debate, but are people here saying that mass illegal immigration is benifiting Greece? (not you, the other guys)

The thread is mainly liberal blabbering about how it's a "step backwards" for Greeks, and heavily implying that mass immigration to Europe isn't a problem and there's no reason to be doing this


To anyone thinking mass illegal immigration is not a problem should come live in some special hoods in Athens, see how long they will survive there :)
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Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
When Greeks stop being nationalists, they stop being Greeks
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EU, communism, abortion, Greek/Turkish friendship, NATO, illegal immigration, Globalism, FYROM, gay marriage
Enosis, Megali Idea, Putin, Guns, Nationalism, Equallity, Kurdistan, Assyria
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Postby New Laikland » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:51 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:To anyone thinking mass illegal immigration is not a problem should come live in some special hoods in Athens, see how long they will survive there :)

Not to mention Malmo, Detroit, parts of London as well.

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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:53 am

New Laikland wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:To anyone thinking mass illegal immigration is not a problem should come live in some special hoods in Athens, see how long they will survive there :)

Not to mention Malmo, Detroit, parts of London as well.


I have heard of that but the situation in Athens is something I have actually experienced
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
When Greeks stop being nationalists, they stop being Greeks
ABOUT ME:
Male, Greek Nationalist, Orthodox Christian, State Capitalist
EU, communism, abortion, Greek/Turkish friendship, NATO, illegal immigration, Globalism, FYROM, gay marriage
Enosis, Megali Idea, Putin, Guns, Nationalism, Equallity, Kurdistan, Assyria
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.74

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Postby New Laikland » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:55 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
I have heard of that but the situation in Athens is something I have actually experienced

I honestly haven't experienced any places with major issues, I've only lived in cities that are more or less full of native populations.

EDIT: Even though I live in NYC now
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Postby The British Stratocracy » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:56 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:To the people voting that it isn't our problem, could you offer an argument as to why?


Why should it be?

I'm not necessarily saying it isn't our problem but would like to hear a reason why it is. As far as I can tell no one is being exterminated, just interned. So It could be argued nothing wrong is actually taking place (Though I am not outrightly saying that).
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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:58 am

The British Stratocracy wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:To the people voting that it isn't our problem, could you offer an argument as to why?


Why should it be?

I'm not necessarily saying it isn't our problem but would like to hear a reason why it is. As far as I can tell no one is being exterminated, just interned. So It could be argued nothing wrong is actually taking place (Though I am not outrightly saying that).


What we need to do is deport them out already, now we are just giving them free hotel rooms
Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
When Greeks stop being nationalists, they stop being Greeks
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EU, communism, abortion, Greek/Turkish friendship, NATO, illegal immigration, Globalism, FYROM, gay marriage
Enosis, Megali Idea, Putin, Guns, Nationalism, Equallity, Kurdistan, Assyria
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Postby The British Stratocracy » Fri Aug 02, 2013 3:59 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
The British Stratocracy wrote:
Why should it be?

I'm not necessarily saying it isn't our problem but would like to hear a reason why it is. As far as I can tell no one is being exterminated, just interned. So It could be argued nothing wrong is actually taking place (Though I am not outrightly saying that).


What we need to do is deport them out already, now we are just giving them free hotel rooms



:palm: I really don't think so. Maybe in your Country.
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Postby New Laikland » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:00 am

The British Stratocracy wrote:
Why should it be?

I'm not necessarily saying it isn't our problem but would like to hear a reason why it is. As far as I can tell no one is being exterminated, just interned. So It could be argued nothing wrong is actually taking place (Though I am not outrightly saying that).

Backwards thinking like this is the reason it's a problem.

It's a problem because people coming to Europe are mostly asylum seekers fleeing punishments for crimes they committed in their home countries. They go to Europe, and they rape women, riot in the streets, and act like they're superior to the Europeans. Muslims have even said that they are going there to conquer Europe. Europe is being INVADED, it isn't natural immigration that's occurring there. Muslims and other immigrants go there with the intent of taking over the land, replacing the culture with their own, and brutalizing the people. Europe was once the most powerful region in the world, full of nationalists and power, and today it's being reduced to a garbage, third world hell hole because of immigrants. They lower the living standards (most do) and commit crimes they know they won't be punished for because of liberals. That is why it's a problem. It isn't "racialy motivated" as idiotic liberals claim, it's because nationalists are fighting against the people who are trying to kill them.

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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:00 am

The British Stratocracy wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
What we need to do is deport them out already, now we are just giving them free hotel rooms



:palm: I really don't think so. Maybe in your Country.


Aren't we talking about Greece?
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When Greeks stop being nationalists, they stop being Greeks
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EU, communism, abortion, Greek/Turkish friendship, NATO, illegal immigration, Globalism, FYROM, gay marriage
Enosis, Megali Idea, Putin, Guns, Nationalism, Equallity, Kurdistan, Assyria
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Postby New Laikland » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:01 am

The British Stratocracy wrote:

:palm: I really don't think so. Maybe in your Country.

His country is throwing them into internment camps...

If immigrants go to the UK or Sweden or others, they get a nice welfare apartment and whatnot
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Postby DrakoBlaria » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:01 am

New Laikland wrote:
The British Stratocracy wrote:
Why should it be?

I'm not necessarily saying it isn't our problem but would like to hear a reason why it is. As far as I can tell no one is being exterminated, just interned. So It could be argued nothing wrong is actually taking place (Though I am not outrightly saying that).

Backwards thinking like this is the reason it's a problem.

It's a problem because people coming to Europe are mostly asylum seekers fleeing punishments for crimes they committed in their home countries. They go to Europe, and they rape women, riot in the streets, and act like they're superior to the Europeans. Muslims have even said that they are going there to conquer Europe. Europe is being INVADED, it isn't natural immigration that's occurring there. Muslims and other immigrants go there with the intent of taking over the land, replacing the culture with their own, and brutalizing the people. Europe was once the most powerful region in the world, full of nationalists and power, and today it's being reduced to a garbage, third world hell hole because of immigrants. They lower the living standards (most do) and commit crimes they know they won't be punished for because of liberals. That is why it's a problem. It isn't "racialy motivated" as idiotic liberals claim, it's because nationalists are fighting against the people who are trying to kill them.


And at least in W.Europe you have their papers (most of the time) and know who they are and what they did and what diseases they carry. We don't know shit about them and always try to get trialed as minors when they commit crimes (even if they are 30+)
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Kleomentia wrote:Almighty Hellenic Overlord of Slavya, he who is the son of Zeus and the father of Greekishness.
When Greeks stop being nationalists, they stop being Greeks
ABOUT ME:
Male, Greek Nationalist, Orthodox Christian, State Capitalist
EU, communism, abortion, Greek/Turkish friendship, NATO, illegal immigration, Globalism, FYROM, gay marriage
Enosis, Megali Idea, Putin, Guns, Nationalism, Equallity, Kurdistan, Assyria
Economic Left/Right: -5.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.74

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Postby New Laikland » Fri Aug 02, 2013 4:02 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:And at least in W.Europe you have their papers (most of the time) and know who they are and what they did. We don't know shit

Not entirely. Illegals going into Spain and France easily flood across. But then again, you guys are the main transit point of illegals.

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