Ariel Castro sentencing

[Ascelonia]

I'd put him up for execution as a serial rapist or at least get medieval on his ass. Castration seems appropriate.

Yeah, and we should crush the hands of thieves with car tires.

There's a reason why these punishments are called medieval. It is somewhat related to why NSGers can enjoy luxuries such as the Internet.

[Ascelonia]

I think it's pretty much human nature to want someone who's been so heinous to you for such a long time to pay for the horrendous crimes they've committed. Perhaps not admirable, but I don't think she was advocating he be hanged or anything.

Of course, but I wouldn't think that's a good thing. It's certainly not a thing that support groups encourage and it's certainly not a thing people should encourage in general. Yes, it's a good thing she was brave and faced her kidnapper, but it's not a good thing that she held such a vengeful attitude towards him.

[The Ben Boys]

I'd put him up for execution as a serial rapist or at least get medieval on his ass. Castration seems appropriate.

Yeah, and we should crush the hands of thieves with car tires.

There's a reason why these punishments are called medieval. It is somewhat related to why NSGers can enjoy luxuries such as the Internet.

He kidnapped three women over a ten year period, repeatedly beat them, starved them, raped them, and forced miscarriages. And the shit tried to apologize for it. That's worse than medieval.

[Ascelonia]

He kidnapped three women over a ten year period, repeatedly beat them, starved them, raped them, and forced miscarriages. And the shit tried to apologize for it. That's worse than medieval.

And why should the system sink to his level?

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. At some point, we have to recognize that we cannot inflict a proportional level of misery and harm upon the offender even if we tried. Why bother anyway? It doesn't serve any purpose save to appease our own animalistic urges.

[Welsh Cowboy]

I think it's pretty much human nature to want someone who's been so heinous to you for such a long time to pay for the horrendous crimes they've committed. Perhaps not admirable, but I don't think she was advocating he be hanged or anything.

Of course, but I wouldn't think that's a good thing. It's certainly not a thing that support groups encourage and it's certainly not a thing people should encourage in general. Yes, it's a good thing she was brave and faced her kidnapper, but it's not a good thing that she held such a vengeful attitude towards him.

I'm just wondering, but what attitude do you expect out of someone who's been tortured for ten years, has been free for only three months, and now has to see the man who inflicted so much pain and hurt on you?

[The Ben Boys]

He kidnapped three women over a ten year period, repeatedly beat them, starved them, raped them, and forced miscarriages. And the shit tried to apologize for it. That's worse than medieval.

And why should the system sink to his level?

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. At some point, we have to recognize that we cannot inflict a proportional level of misery and harm upon the offender even if we tried. Why bother anyway? It doesn't serve any purpose save to appease our own animalistic urges.

It wouldn't be sinking to his level, we'd still be much "higher" than he even could be.

"Appease our own animalistic urges"? I could live with that.

[Ascelonia]

I'm just wondering, but what attitude do you expect out of someone who's been tortured for ten years, has been free for only three months, and now has to see the man who inflicted so much pain and hurt on you?

Acceptance. While I'm sure people were quite vengeful during the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, I don't think the attitude of hatred and retribution was actively encouraged. I think whoever's counseling her is doing a shitty job. Victims should come to terms with their offenders. It's the best way for them to lead a healthy and fulfilling life.

[Ascelonia]

It wouldn't be sinking to his level, we'd still be much "higher" than he even could be.

"Appease our own animalistic urges"? I could live with that.

This is why you aren't setting public policy.

There's no "higher" or "lower" since we actively condone a culture of prison rape and inmate murder.

[Welsh Cowboy]

I'm just wondering, but what attitude do you expect out of someone who's been tortured for ten years, has been free for only three months, and now has to see the man who inflicted so much pain and hurt on you?

Acceptance. While I'm sure people were quite vengeful during the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, I don't think the attitude of hatred and retribution was actively encouraged. I think whoever's counseling her is doing a shitty job. Victims should come to terms with their offenders. It's the best way for them to lead a healthy and fulfilling life.

I really don't think she was that vengeful. I'll admit, she did say "Your hell begins now," but I didn't sense any extraordinary pride in her voice as she said this, nor did she smile or sound condescending. She just sounded like someone who was happy justice was being done. I'm sure she will probably come to terms in the coming months and years, but today, she was just glad that someone who tortured her for so long was having justice served on him.

[Releign]

I wish though, that he could be thrown in a cell without AC/Heating, no sanitation, hardly any food, no bed, chair, just concrete. One thing with me when it comes to crimes like this, and when people ask me about the death penalty or treatment. When someone is as twisted as Castro, I personally don't view them as a human being, I don't consider them anything apart of any creature on this planet. Wish they'd give him to genpop, either way, I give him a week.

Nothing shows we're civilized human beings like stooping to the level of a heinous criminal.

Fuck being civilized, I hope the guards let the prison gangs beat his ass into next week.

[Ascelonia]

I really don't think she was that vengeful. I'll admit, she did say "Your hell begins now," but I didn't sense any extraordinary pride in her voice as she said this, nor did she smile or sound condescending. She just sounded like someone who was happy justice was being done. I'm sure she will probably come to terms in the coming months and years, but today, she was just glad that someone who tortured her for so long was having justice served on him.

Well, I'm of the opinion that restorative justice is superior to retributive justice. TRC was handled better than the Nuremberg trials. The system intended to punish and glorify punishment with 1000+ year sentences and these confrontations has also created a culture of recidivism and incarceration.

[Ascelonia]

Fuck being civilized, I hope the guards let the prison gangs beat his ass into next week.

This comment is wrong on so many levels. I don't even know where to begin. Oh maybe I should make it clear that people should never be treated like animals.

[Welsh Cowboy]

I really don't think she was that vengeful. I'll admit, she did say "Your hell begins now," but I didn't sense any extraordinary pride in her voice as she said this, nor did she smile or sound condescending. She just sounded like someone who was happy justice was being done. I'm sure she will probably come to terms in the coming months and years, but today, she was just glad that someone who tortured her for so long was having justice served on him.

Well, I'm of the opinion that restorative justice is superior to retributive justice. TRC was handled better than the Nuremberg trials. The system intended to punish and glorify punishment with 1000+ year sentences and these confrontations has also created a culture of recidivism and incarceration.

This seems to be exactly the case that at the least warrants life imprisonment without parole. I don't want this man on the streets.

[Releign]

Fuck being civilized, I hope the guards let the prison gangs beat his ass into next week.

This comment is wrong on so many levels. I don't even know where to begin. Oh maybe I should make it clear that people should never be treated like animals.

So? Look what he did to those innocent girls. Any mercy I have for that man was gone the moment I knew what happened.
So don't provide mercy to a rapist.

[Densaner]

We'll see how he lasts in the big house.

[Ascelonia]

This seems to be exactly the case that at the least warrants life imprisonment without parole. I don't want this man on the streets.

Justice systems have repatriated serial killers and rapists before. Certainly, I wouldn't want to live in the same neighborhood as a sex offender, but marginalizing them for life does not benefit the victims or society in general.

[Ascelonia]

So? Look what he did to those innocent girls. Any mercy I have for that man was gone the moment I knew what happened.
So don't provide mercy to a rapist.

Again, this is why justice isn't ruled by the emotions of the masses. It's why we don't have cruel esoteric punishments for traitors, mass murderers, or serial killers.

MUH FEELINGS shouldn't be part of the equation.

[Brocwika]

Obviously, Americans aren't intelligent enough for that.

2edgy4me.

You're talking to an American with an SAT score of 1950.

[Imperializt Russia]

I started following this case, its one of those that kind of hits real close to home when you're a parent yourself. No links yet unfortunately, but I just watched the sentencing for Ariel Castro who was apart of a trio who kidnapped and held three women captive for 10 years. Overall Castro got hit with 977 charges, hundreds from rape, agrivated sexual assault and so on. The state has given him life, with no parole, 1000+ years in prison. Basically meaning he will rot in a cell.

As far as my own thoughts, I'm glad the system worked and nailed his ass to the wall. Personally, I feel quite happy that he's going to suffer and slowly rot in a prison cell for the rest of his life, though still bothered that they didn't give him the death penalty like they were going to. I watch cases alot, and this one has just disturbed me to no end.

I'll post links once they come in on the media, how about Generalites thoughts?

http://news.yahoo.com/cleveland-kidnapp ... 21758.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013 ... l/2603725/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1414587

There's no point giving him the death penalty.
He's already locked up for "a thousand years plus" with no parole possibility.

All giving him the death penalty will do is cost more money.
He'll get assaulted in prison if you want your "street justice".

[Welsh Cowboy]

This seems to be exactly the case that at the least warrants life imprisonment without parole. I don't want this man on the streets.

Justice systems have repatriated serial killers and rapists before. Certainly, I wouldn't want to live in the same neighborhood as a sex offender, but marginalizing them for life does not benefit the victims or society in general.

So wait, you want to make someone else live with him, but not you? That seems like a bad policy. I feel that some people can only be rehabilitated by God, and also, justice is served by sentencing them to life without parole.

Or we could just give him a 1,000 year sentence, because even if a charge only warrants 10 years, if you do that 100 times, the years add up.

[Imperializt Russia]

Justice systems have repatriated serial killers and rapists before. Certainly, I wouldn't want to live in the same neighborhood as a sex offender, but marginalizing them for life does not benefit the victims or society in general.

So wait, you want to make someone else live with him, but not you? That seems like a bad policy.

That's not what he said.
No-one wants to live in the area of a reformed criminal.

It's not going to stop it happening, and not everyone wants to form a lynch mob.

[Ascelonia]

2edgy4me.

You're talking to an American with an SAT score of 1950.

Bragging on the Internet and accusing me of being edgy. Get enough cool points today?

[Ascelonia]

That's not what he said.
No-one wants to live in the area of a reformed criminal.

It's not going to stop it happening, and not everyone wants to form a lynch mob.

This is exactly what I'm getting at.

[Welsh Cowboy]

That's not what he said.
No-one wants to live in the area of a reformed criminal.

It's not going to stop it happening, and not everyone wants to form a lynch mob.

This is exactly what I'm getting at.

Do you think that some people should get life without parole? Including this Castro guy?

[Imperializt Russia]

This is exactly what I'm getting at.

Do you think that some people should get life without parole? Including this Castro guy?

I do.

The goal of the penal system should be to reform, but many don't want to be reformed and some can't be reformed.

Given the extent of what he did, I don't think Castro can be reformed.