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Should we eliminate race labeling?

Postby Terran Faction » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:07 pm

I find it offensive that I have to submit the name of my race in various legal documents, whether it's school papers or test exams, there is always that one box where it asks,

What is your race?
*White
*Black
*Hispanic/Latino
*Asian
*Other

What gets even dumber is that these state tests ask specific questions like "Are you black or latino?" WHAT? Are they profiling? It's obvious. Sad to say, statistics do show that majority of black and latino score low. But they want to know that information so they seek it, racially. And they shouldn't.

Oh, here's where it gets annoying. Apparently, in California, they like to ask what asian or hispanic ethnic group you are, but they alienate white and blacks.

They ask, if your asian if you're korean,japanese,chinese, etc. If you're hispanic, it lists if you're cuban,mexican,etc.

But they never asked if you're german,dutch,irish,scottish,english,french if you're white or you might be ethopian,nigerian,egyptian if you're black or african.

I am "mixed race" and I don't like to claim such a title and it's really really hard to answer these stupid questions. Why do they need to classify me by my skin color or genetic ancestery. Why can't everyone be known as a human?

The point is, this causes more discrimination, plus people are more and more diverse everyday. They'd have to be asking for every little racial or ethnic group then.

Should we eliminate race labeling?
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:10 pm

Terran Faction wrote:I find it offensive that I have to submit the name of my race in various legal documents, whether it's school papers or test exams, there is always that one box where it asks,

What is your race?
*White
*Black
*Hispanic/Latino
*Asian
*Other

What gets even dumber is that these state tests ask specific questions like "Are you black or latino?" WHAT? Are they profiling? It's obvious. Sad to say, statistics do show that majority of black and latino score low. But they want to know that information so they seek it, racially. And they shouldn't.

Oh, here's where it gets annoying. Apparently, in California, they like to ask what asian or hispanic ethnic group you are, but they alienate white and blacks.

They ask, if your asian if you're korean,japanese,chinese, etc. If you're hispanic, it lists if you're cuban,mexican,etc.

But they never asked if you're german,dutch,irish,scottish,english,french if you're white or you might be ethopian,nigerian,egyptian if you're black or african.

I am "mixed race" and I don't like to claim such a title and it's really really hard to answer these stupid questions. Why do they need to classify me by my skin color or genetic ancestery. Why can't everyone be known as a human?

The point is, this causes more discrimination, plus people are more and more diverse everyday. They'd have to be asking for every little racial or ethnic group then.

Should we eliminate race labeling?


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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:10 pm

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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:10 pm

It's a social construct. It is what it is and it's not really the problem.

It's the dimpleheads who use it to lesson the worth of other people......
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Postby Tubbsalot » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:11 pm

Terran Faction wrote: Sad to say, statistics do show that majority of black and latino score low. But they want to know that information so they seek it, racially. And they shouldn't.

They shouldn't... try to learn anything... about the country they're empowered to run?
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Postby Grand Britannia » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:11 pm

I wish I could get rid of stuff by calling it offensive.

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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:11 pm

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:11 pm

Torcularis Septentrionalis wrote:No.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:12 pm

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Postby Terran Faction » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:12 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:I wish I could get rid of stuff by calling it offensive.

Justin Beiber offends me, plz throw him back to Canadaland.


With that logic, we should keep Nazis.
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Postby New Libertarian States » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:12 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:It's a social construct. It is what it is and it's not really the problem.

It's the dimpleheads who use it to lesson the worth of other people......

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Postby New haven america » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:12 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:I wish I could get rid of stuff by calling it offensive.

Justin Beiber offends me, plz throw him back to Canadaland.

And send 1D back to the UK too? :)
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Postby Grand Britannia » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:13 pm

Terran Faction wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:I wish I could get rid of stuff by calling it offensive.

Justin Beiber offends me, plz throw him back to Canadaland.


With that logic, we should keep Nazis.

With your logic, ban everything.

Seriously, lots of people find lots of different things offensive.
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Grand Britannia wrote:I wish I could get rid of stuff by calling it offensive.

Justin Beiber offends me, plz throw him back to Canadaland.

And send 1D back to the UK too? :)

Yes, plz.

Man, now that I think about it Brits and Former Brits have been throwing some bad crap lately.
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Postby Terran Faction » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:13 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:It's a social construct. It is what it is and it's not really the problem.

It's the dimpleheads who use it to lesson the worth of other people......

Race Labeling from the government is the real reason this whole world is racist, because we continue to put it in society.
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Postby Sardine World » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:14 pm

all it is is for statistics
take a fuckin chill pill
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:14 pm

Terran Faction wrote:I find it offensive that I have to submit the name of my race in various legal documents, whether it's school papers or test exams, there is always that one box where it asks,

What is your race?
*White
*Black
*Hispanic/Latino
*Asian
*Other

What gets even dumber is that these state tests ask specific questions like "Are you black or latino?" WHAT? Are they profiling? It's obvious. Sad to say, statistics do show that majority of black and latino score low. But they want to know that information so they seek it, racially. And they shouldn't.

Oh, here's where it gets annoying. Apparently, in California, they like to ask what asian or hispanic ethnic group you are, but they alienate white and blacks.

They ask, if your asian if you're korean,japanese,chinese, etc. If you're hispanic, it lists if you're cuban,mexican,etc.

But they never asked if you're german,dutch,irish,scottish,english,french if you're white or you might be ethopian,nigerian,egyptian if you're black or african.

I am "mixed race" and I don't like to claim such a title and it's really really hard to answer these stupid questions. Why do they need to classify me by my skin color or genetic ancestery. Why can't everyone be known as a human?

The point is, this causes more discrimination, plus people are more and more diverse everyday. They'd have to be asking for every little racial or ethnic group then.

Should we eliminate race labeling?


Yeah.

A racially equal society must also be a racially blind society.

I always put "other" and wrote in something stupid like lizardman or Sith lord on those God-awful standardized tests they would give us in school...


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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:15 pm

Terran Faction wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:It's a social construct. It is what it is and it's not really the problem.

It's the dimpleheads who use it to lesson the worth of other people......

Race Labeling from the government is the real reason this whole world is racist, because we continue to put it in society.

That's like saying, "Being okay with being black is why you're discriminated."
No, it's not the cause of racism.
Ignorance and Racists are the cause of racism.
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Postby Lesbia » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:15 pm

Good luck with that.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:16 pm

Race does exist, and it is merely used for demographic purposes, to track trends in the population.
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Postby Terran Faction » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:16 pm

Sardine World wrote:all it is is for statistics
take a fuckin chill pill

Statistics that have a use. You don't understand why they use these statistics. This is a certain population of so called "minorities" in the U.S. continue to live in poverty because the government profiles them and encourage eternal welfare.

It's a sick system we live in. They just labeled that George Zimmerman guy a white man even though he wasn't. Because the media knows it's strange for a "minority" to kill the "minority" so they had to caucasianize him for the benefit of racism.
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Postby Alexander Sothis » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:16 pm

Remember, if they keep us fighting each other, then we will not rise up and fight them.

The whole racism thing is so overblown and out of hand already.

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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:16 pm

Sardine World wrote:all it is is for statistics
take a fuckin chill pill

wat? u mean that something has a purpose that isn't offensive and the OP is just imagining racism in a place where racism doesn't exist? Crazy.
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Postby San Salazar » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:17 pm

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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:17 pm

Terran Faction wrote:
Sardine World wrote:all it is is for statistics
take a fuckin chill pill

Statistics that have a use. You don't understand why they use these statistics. This is a certain population of so called "minorities" in the U.S. continue to live in poverty because the government profiles them and encourage eternal welfare.

It's a sick system we live in. They just labeled that George Zimmerman guy a white man even though he wasn't. Because the media knows it's strange for a "minority" to kill the "minority" so they had to caucasianize him for the benefit of racism.

You could not be any more incorrect.
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Postby Caninope » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:18 pm

Terran Faction wrote:I find it offensive that I have to submit the name of my race in various legal documents,

So what? I also have my height and weight on my driver's license.

What gets even dumber is that these state tests ask specific questions like "Are you black or latino?" WHAT? Are they profiling? It's obvious. Sad to say, statistics do show that majority of black and latino score low. But they want to know that information so they seek it, racially. And they shouldn't.

Why not? Is is not possible, for instance, that this can be used for useful data collection?

Oh, here's where it gets annoying. Apparently, in California, they like to ask what asian or hispanic ethnic group you are, but they alienate white and blacks.

They ask, if your asian if you're korean,japanese,chinese, etc. If you're hispanic, it lists if you're cuban,mexican,etc.

But they never asked if you're german,dutch,irish,scottish,english,french if you're white or you might be ethopian,nigerian,egyptian if you're black or african.

It just so happens that in most Asian-Americans, there seems to be more ethnic homogeneity than most white or black Americans. My friend is Filipino and Chinese. I am likely German, English, Scots-Irish, Irish, Swiss, and God only knows what else.

I am "mixed race" and I don't like to claim such a title and it's really really hard to answer these stupid questions. Why do they need to classify me by my skin color or genetic ancestery. Why can't everyone be known as a human?

Well, the point of a lot of these things is to create a descriptive database and collect accurate statistics. Even if race is a social construct and shouldn't matter, it has mattered in the past, which is why having descriptive statistics is useful.
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