Sexism in video games.

[Ostroeuropa]

If one portrays women as being knights-in-shining-armor instead of the damsel in distress is that sexist as well?

We're not talking about one singular portrayal of women being rescued in video games and then saying that all video games are sexist. What is being said is that it's incredibly prevalent across literally hundreds of video games where women are damsels in distress needing to be rescued by men. There's a huge difference.

As I keep pointing out, this is probably because of the White Male Heterosexual as a go-to hero.
If we break that, we'll see the damsel in distress thing play out more evenly.

[Edlichbury]

Reposting from where I posted it already:

"He really doesn't. He just presents her argument in an entirely inaccurate manner.

Anita states that it is sexist that across all of the most popular games, hardly ever do we get to see a female protagonist trying to save a male damsel. Almost always, we instead see a women get captured and be entirely powerless to stop it.

Thunderfoot responds simply by stating that healthy relationships should work that way.

Let's reflect on that. According to him, women shouldn't complain that they are portrayed as weak, feeble, and powerless. They shouldn't complain that they are relegated to the position of damsel with no meaningful impact. They should instead celebrate this. They should yearn to be treated like a damsel and should feel grateful for it. Based on his views, women should never complain that they are treated as mere prizes, but instead feel good that they had any value at all.

Excuse me if I say that it's pretty fucking sexist to claim that men are heroes and women should be grateful they even get to be saved."

[Grand Britannia]

If one portrays women as being knights-in-shining-armor instead of the damsel in distress is that sexist as well?

If one only portrays women as the rescuers, then yes. Otherwise, no.

Women aren't always in distress either...

[Las Palmeras]

Because it doesn't. If all that's been said is correct, it only reinforces beliefs, thoughts, and gender roles prevalent in contemporary society. And odds are those have been around to a greater or lesser extent ever since prehistoric egalitarian societies developed into civilizations that had time for people to stop and think about these things...and invent these beliefs.

Ok, if it reflects society as a whole what's the matter? Our culture is hypersexualized like the liberals want. Instead of dealing with it in RL, people want to target games...wow so smart.

Actually, contemporary times have only liberalized the ability to talk about sex more openly. But society has always had sex in thought and action, just with a different form of expressing it (or not expressing it).

The interpretation of gender roles is what is the matter of true importance in these arguments.

[Zweite Alaje]

We're not talking about one singular portrayal of women being rescued in video games and then saying that all video games are sexist. What is being said is that it's incredibly prevalent across literally hundreds of video games where women are damsels in distress needing to be rescued by men. There's a huge difference.

As I keep pointing out, this is probably because of the White Male Heterosexual as a go-to hero.
If we break that, we'll see the damsel in distress thing play out more evenly.

I don't even see why that even matters, if it doesn't effect the gameplay how gives a shit whether the hero is some white guy or a woman.

[Ostroeuropa]

Reposting from where I posted it already:

"He really doesn't. He just presents her argument in an entirely inaccurate manner.

Anita states that it is sexist that across all of the most popular games, hardly ever do we get to see a female protagonist trying to save a male damsel. Almost always, we instead see a women get captured and be entirely powerless to stop it.

Thunderfoot responds simply by stating that healthy relationships should work that way.

Let's reflect on that. According to him, women shouldn't complain that they are portrayed as weak, feeble, and powerless. They shouldn't complain that they are relegated to the position of damsel with no meaningful impact. They should instead celebrate this. They should yearn to be treated like a damsel and should feel grateful for it. Based on his views, women should never complain that they are treated as mere prizes, but instead feel good that they had any value at all.

Excuse me if I say that it's pretty fucking sexist to claim that men are heroes and women should be grateful they even get to be saved."

Uh.
Look, given your track record on understanding what peoples arguments are it's difficult to let this slide.
Are you absolutely positive he said that in response to her saying that?
And bare in mind i've already called you out three times in this thread for similar bullshit.

Are you ABSOLUTELY positive that it didn't go down like this:

"when one PERSON saves another, that's how healthy relationships work."

[Des-Bal]

Reposting from where I posted it already:

"He really doesn't. He just presents her argument in an entirely inaccurate manner.

Anita states that it is sexist that across all of the most popular games, hardly ever do we get to see a female protagonist trying to save a male damsel. Almost always, we instead see a women get captured and be entirely powerless to stop it.

Thunderfoot responds simply by stating that healthy relationships should work that way.

Let's reflect on that. According to him, women shouldn't complain that they are portrayed as weak, feeble, and powerless. They shouldn't complain that they are relegated to the position of damsel with no meaningful impact. They should instead celebrate this. They should yearn to be treated like a damsel and should feel grateful for it. Based on his views, women should never complain that they are treated as mere prizes, but instead feel good that they had any value at all.

Excuse me if I say that it's pretty fucking sexist to claim that men are heroes and women should be grateful they even get to be saved."

What exactly are you posting that in response to? I haven't seen anyone say that so I don't see why you felt it necessary to repost.

[Mkuki]

If one portrays women as being knights-in-shining-armor instead of the damsel in distress is that sexist as well?

If one only portrays women as the rescuers, then yes. Otherwise, no.

But it's not that way with the damsel in distress archetype...

[Ostroeuropa]

Reposting from where I posted it already:

"He really doesn't. He just presents her argument in an entirely inaccurate manner.

Anita states that it is sexist that across all of the most popular games, hardly ever do we get to see a female protagonist trying to save a male damsel. Almost always, we instead see a women get captured and be entirely powerless to stop it.

Thunderfoot responds simply by stating that healthy relationships should work that way.

Let's reflect on that. According to him, women shouldn't complain that they are portrayed as weak, feeble, and powerless. They shouldn't complain that they are relegated to the position of damsel with no meaningful impact. They should instead celebrate this. They should yearn to be treated like a damsel and should feel grateful for it. Based on his views, women should never complain that they are treated as mere prizes, but instead feel good that they had any value at all.

Excuse me if I say that it's pretty fucking sexist to claim that men are heroes and women should be grateful they even get to be saved."

What exactly are you posting that in response to? I haven't seen anyone say that so I don't see why you felt it necessary to repost.

It's further mounting evidence that the people he's conversing with are in fact imaginary.
Nothing he says is in response to what they say, and it's irksome. I've called him out on it multiple times now, with no response. I wont be bothering again.

[Las Palmeras]

As I keep pointing out, this is probably because of the White Male Heterosexual as a go-to hero.
If we break that, we'll see the damsel in distress thing play out more evenly.

I don't even see why that even matters, if it doesn't effect the gameplay how gives a shit whether the hero is some white guy or a woman.

Because it can be interpreted as being choc full of messages. Here, the immaterial ideas are worth everything, game-play is not the point of this argument.

But speaking of material things-I have tasks pending. Goodbye.

[Edlichbury]

Reposting from where I posted it already:

"He really doesn't. He just presents her argument in an entirely inaccurate manner.

Anita states that it is sexist that across all of the most popular games, hardly ever do we get to see a female protagonist trying to save a male damsel. Almost always, we instead see a women get captured and be entirely powerless to stop it.

Thunderfoot responds simply by stating that healthy relationships should work that way.

Let's reflect on that. According to him, women shouldn't complain that they are portrayed as weak, feeble, and powerless. They shouldn't complain that they are relegated to the position of damsel with no meaningful impact. They should instead celebrate this. They should yearn to be treated like a damsel and should feel grateful for it. Based on his views, women should never complain that they are treated as mere prizes, but instead feel good that they had any value at all.

Excuse me if I say that it's pretty fucking sexist to claim that men are heroes and women should be grateful they even get to be saved."

What exactly are you posting that in response to? I haven't seen anyone say that so I don't see why you felt it necessary to repost.

It's the exact argument you made. You stated that it's normal to have the men do the rescuing because that's a healthy relationship.

[Des-Bal]

It's the exact argument you made. You stated that it's normal to have the men do the rescuing because that's a healthy relationship.

No I didn't. I said having one character rescue their love interest is good story telling. At no point in time did I post anything like that. Is there another me here? Can you hear his voice?

[Nailed to the Perch]

As I keep pointing out, this is probably because of the White Male Heterosexual as a go-to hero.
If we break that, we'll see the damsel in distress thing play out more evenly.

I don't even see why that even matters, if it doesn't effect the gameplay how gives a shit whether the hero is some white guy or a woman.

...a large number of people in this very thread, for starters?

Seriously, how do you post "who gives a shit about this?" on the seventy-fourth page of a thread full of people giving a shit without making your own brain hurt?

[Ifreann]

"Hurr, GTA didn't make me rob cars, so game don't do anything!"
TEENAGE LIBERTARIAN STRIKEFORCE ARE GO!

I'm not a teen, nor am I libertarian.

Then you share their absurd black-and-white view.

Explain how a game effects society in any meaningful manner.

The same way any other kind of media does. Obviously.

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I don't even see why that even matters, if it doesn't effect the gameplay how gives a shit whether the hero is some white guy or a woman.

...a large number of people in this very thread, for starters?

Seriously, how do you post "who gives a shit about this?" on the seventy-fourth page of a thread full of people giving a shit without making your own brain hurt?

I expect it involves only wanting people to stop talking about things that make you feel uncomfortable about the media you consume.

[Edlichbury]

It's the exact argument you made. You stated that it's normal to have the men do the rescuing because that's a healthy relationship.

No I didn't. I said having one character rescue their love interest is good story telling. At no point in time did I post anything like that. Is there another me here? Can you hear his voice?

That is literally what he stated in his video. You are literally arguing the same thing as him while stating "But I'm not!" That's not even intellectually dishonest anymore, that's just being dense.

[Des-Bal]

That is literally what he stated in his video. You are literally arguing the same thing as him while stating "But I'm not!" That's not even intellectually dishonest anymore, that's just being dense.

I'm sure we also have similar opinions on gravity. Having a character rescue their love interest is good story telling. It cinches up the heroic act familiarizes the character and adds a touch of drama.

I never mentioned healthy relationships.
I never said it should be the man doing the saving.
I never said the genders involved matter.

You are arguing with someone not participating in this thread. Stop it.

[Nailed to the Perch]

No I didn't. I said having one character rescue their love interest is good story telling. At no point in time did I post anything like that. Is there another me here? Can you hear his voice?

That is literally what he stated in his video. You are literally arguing the same thing as him while stating "But I'm not!" That's not even intellectually dishonest anymore, that's just being dense.

While I don't think Des-Bal's argument is particularly good, I think you are misreading it. He appears to be saying there's nothing wrong with the "damsel in distress" trope in and of itself, because it could in theory work both ways (even though it doesn't), not because using women as useless ornaments to be saved is just the way things should be.

[Zweite Alaje]

I don't even see why that even matters, if it doesn't effect the gameplay how gives a shit whether the hero is some white guy or a woman.

...a large number of people in this very thread, for starters?

Seriously, how do you post "who gives a shit about this?" on the seventy-fourth page of a thread full of people giving a shit without making your own brain hurt?

All this thread points out is just how butthurt people can get over something that doesn't even matter.

[Nailed to the Perch]

...a large number of people in this very thread, for starters?

Seriously, how do you post "who gives a shit about this?" on the seventy-fourth page of a thread full of people giving a shit without making your own brain hurt?

All this thread points out is just how butthurt people can get over something that doesn't even matter.

Out of curiosity, when you were made Official Arbiter of What Things Matter, did you get a ceremonial badge? Maybe a special hat? Everybody likes special hats.

[Ifreann]

...a large number of people in this very thread, for starters?

Seriously, how do you post "who gives a shit about this?" on the seventy-fourth page of a thread full of people giving a shit without making your own brain hurt?

All this thread points out is just how butthurt people can get over something that doesn't even matter.

He said while furiously soreassed at people having conversations he doesn't approve of.

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All this thread points out is just how butthurt people can get over something that doesn't even matter.

Out of curiosity, when you were made Official Arbiter of What Things Matter, did you get a ceremonial badge? Maybe a special hat? Everybody likes special hats.

Take your hat fetish back to TF2 where it belongs, you perv.

[Edlichbury]

That is literally what he stated in his video. You are literally arguing the same thing as him while stating "But I'm not!" That's not even intellectually dishonest anymore, that's just being dense.

While I don't think Des-Bal's argument is particularly good, I think you are misreading it. He appears to be saying there's nothing wrong with the "damsel in distress" trope in and of itself, because it could in theory work both ways (even though it doesn't), not because using women as useless ornaments to be saved is just the way things should be.

I get that. Except that is literally exactly what Thunderf00t argued (among other things).

[Des-Bal]

I get that. Except that is literally exactly what Thunderf00t argued (among other things).

Did he also say water is wet or the sky is blue?

[Sommorragh]

I've mentioned it earlier, but what would be the economic consequences of a wide spread realization of 'sexism'? Would profits plummet? Would they stay the same? How would the advertisement of games change? Would there be a loss of jobs, a gain, or no consequence? Who would profit the most? Who would profit the least? How would indie devs respond? How would the allocation of capital and assets in projects change? How would different publishers respond?

These are some of the questions that need to be answered.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Don't ask me, I had to search up what MRA stood for.

My university is the epicentre of Canada's MRA movement, I think, so I've become uncomfortably familiar with the bloody thing.

I'm going to UfT next year (Trin represent!), and I assure you, I'll be an ardent crusader against them.

Mainly though I just won't be friends with them.

[Nailed to the Perch]

My university is the epicentre of Canada's MRA movement, I think, so I've become uncomfortably familiar with the bloody thing.

I'm going to UfT next year (Trin represent!), and I assure you, I'll be an ardent crusader against them.

Mainly though I just won't be friends with them.

Probably for the best. I mean, if you were friends with them, you would probably friendzone them like the evil misandrist you are. *nod*