Texas Finally Passes Abortion Bill!

[Need a Name]

exactly it would die.

not if you fed it and gave it love and affection that most mother who are getting an abortion cannot provide in full. Which is why they're getting abortions.

They could just put the baby up for adoption. Seriously it is a win win.

[Anachronous Rex]

ooo burn. A good one.

Still, the person I made the condom comment to said that pregnancy was the natural result of sex, i dissproved him. Not everyone who has sex becomes pregnant. o

It's sort of missing the whole point of human and bonobo sexuality.

We're all about non-reproductive sex.

[Zweite Alaje]

Never said that.

No, you just said this:

I don't give a shit. If she's an idiot, that's her problem.

That post says nothing about killing women because they had sex, try again.

How do you figure that? Life's so bad and nobody will ever make anything of themselves, we should all commit suicide right now. Come on dear, it'll all be over, amirite?

Can you point me to a baby that can
Get a job
Take care of itself
Buy a house
Do taxes
Etc.
If not, then the baby is dependent on the parents for X years, and dosent have the chance like the poor and depressed do.

Everyone that lives has a chance to better themselves.

How do you figure that? Life's so bad and nobody will ever make anything of themselves, we should all commit suicide right now. Come on dear, it'll all be over, amirite?

People don't abort for nothing. Abortion is traumatic, so they obviously have their own reasons for going ahead with it anyway in light of what they have to face if they bring it to term. Think, man.

Abortion...traumatic? When the number of repeat abortions has been increasing, yeah freakin right. Must be so horrifying if they're getting knocked up and comin' back for more!!! WOOT, Death Factory...erm, I mean "Planned Parenthood" must be drowning in wads of cash, not to mention their good pal Obama shoveling them billions of dollars for more abortions.

[Vazdania]

okay?

You really don't know how to make a logical argument, do you?

irrelevant to the post that i commented to.

[Hushabagain]

Vaz, imagine that you are poor and don't have the means to move out of this country; 51% of voters vote to create a government agency to make your medical decisions for you.

What do you do? Remember, you are poor and you do not have the financial means to move out of the country.

Government agencies like that already exist for the poor

I'm not going to do a hypothetical sorry.

and yet they are still poor and unable to properly feed their children

[New Libertarian States]

Replace crops with fetus
Land with body.
Replace grow with grow and birth.
Fetus=/=Human
It has potential, but what makes a human human isn't shown to be in a fetus.
Organs, of course, are.
The fetus, however, isn't:
Sentient
Or Sapient.
Among a few other things, this is what makes humans, well human.

I just don't think it is fair for someone to have the power to kill someone that can't defend itself.

That's a good concept with PEOPLE, who generally don't go and live within another person, with the possibility of death and injury.

[Furious Grandmothers]

not if you fed it and gave it love and affection that most mother who are getting an abortion cannot provide in full. Which is why they're getting abortions.

They could just put the baby up for adoption. Seriously it is a win win.

Adoption is not even close to an alternative to abortion. Mathematically, the difference is: Adoption - Abortion = The remaining months of pregnancy to go through, together with all the suffering and permanent physiological and hormonal and emotional changes, heightened risk of injury or future infertility or death, and the whole arduous process of giving birth itself.

I'm not a woman, so I don't know enough and I must have still missed out some things in there.

[Vazdania]

Government agencies like that already exist for the poor

I'm not going to do a hypothetical sorry.

and yet they are still poor and unable to properly feed their children

who's fault is that?

[Regnum Dominae]

Vaz, imagine that you are poor and don't have the means to move out of this country; 51% of voters vote to create a government agency to make your medical decisions for you.

What do you do? Remember, you are poor and you do not have the financial means to move out of the country.

Government agencies like that already exist for the poor

I'm not going to do a hypothetical sorry.

This deserves a sibirsky.

You really don't get the point do you?

I'm not asking you to find ways to loophole around my hypotheticals. I'm trying to get the point across that democracy needs some limits to avoid becoming a tyranny of majority. Something you have failed to understand.

Also, you oppose the existence of those government agencies, so...

[Need a Name]

I just don't think it is fair for someone to have the power to kill someone that can't defend itself.

That's a good concept with PEOPLE, who generally don't go and live within another person, with the possibility of death and injury.

Then put that baby up for adoption.

[Hushabagain]

not if you fed it and gave it love and affection that most mother who are getting an abortion cannot provide in full. Which is why they're getting abortions.

They could just put the baby up for adoption. Seriously it is a win win.

Right. Mother goes through needless trauma of birth only to lose child. Child at a severe statistical disadvantage in life. Everybody wins. If you replace "everybody" with "nobody" and assume that there will always be foster parents.

[Regnum Dominae]

Government agencies like that already exist for the poor

I'm not going to do a hypothetical sorry.

and yet they are still poor and unable to properly feed their children

PLEASE don't let Vaz threadjack his own thread into another of his "fuck the poor" rants.

[New Libertarian States]

How do you figure that? Life's so bad and nobody will ever make anything of themselves, we should all commit suicide right now. Come on dear, it'll all be over, amirite?

Can you point me to a baby that can
Get a job
Take care of itself
Buy a house
Do taxes
Etc.
If not, then the baby is dependent on the parents for X years, and dosent have the chance like the poor and depressed do.

Everyone that lives has a chance to better themselves.

Of course everyone can, but not everyone has the funds or connections to do that.

[Dakini]

No, you just said this:

That post says nothing about killing women because they had sex, try again.

How about you learn to read? Given that I said "No, you just said this:" and then included a quotation of you discussing how you don't give a shit if women die trying to have abortions.

This clearly flies in the face of your "oh, I'm all about life" thing, which suggests that this is really just a cover and you really just want to control women and don't actually give a fuck about preserving life.

[New Libertarian States]

That's a good concept with PEOPLE, who generally don't go and live within another person, with the possibility of death and injury.

Then put that baby up for adoption.

That dosent suddenly make the possibility of death or injury disappear.

[Vazdania]

and yet they are still poor and unable to properly feed their children

PLEASE don't let Vaz threadjack his own thread into another of his "fuck the poor" rants.

I've tried to minimize those as they aren't very popular. Sometimes it slips though

[Furious Grandmothers]

People don't abort for nothing. Abortion is traumatic, so they obviously have their own reasons for going ahead with it anyway in light of what they have to face if they bring it to term. Think, man.

Abortion...traumatic? When the number of repeat abortions has been increasing, yeah freakin right. Must be so horrifying if they're getting knocked up and comin' back for more!!! WOOT, Death Factory...erm, I mean "Planned Parenthood" must be drowning in wads of cash, not to mention their good pal Obama shoveling them billions of dollars for more abortions.

Source for increasing repeat abortions, out of curiosity. They're not tracking repeat abortions done illegally in states where abortion is banned, eh?

[Hushabagain]

and yet they are still poor and unable to properly feed their children

who's fault is that?

Well... economically... large socioeconomic forces that are insurmountable in a generation barring, say, victory in the lottery can be blamed. Individuals cannot. Maintaining economic status cannot be deemed "failure". I know where you're going with this.

[Need a Name]

They could just put the baby up for adoption. Seriously it is a win win.

Adoption is not even close to an alternative to abortion. Mathematically, the difference is: Adoption - Abortion = The remaining months of pregnancy to go through, together with all the suffering and permanent physiological and hormonal and emotional changes, heightened risk of injury or future infertility or death, and the whole arduous process of giving birth itself.

I'm not a woman, so I don't know enough and I must have still missed out some things in there.

Um, what are the chances of dying while in child birth in America? very slim.

[Vazdania]

who's fault is that?

Well... economically... large socioeconomic forces that are insurmountable in a generation barring, say, victory in the lottery can be blamed. Individuals cannot. Maintaining economic status cannot be deemed "failure". I know where you're going with this.

its irrelevant to the topic. we'll move on now

[Dakini]

Adoption is not even close to an alternative to abortion. Mathematically, the difference is: Adoption - Abortion = The remaining months of pregnancy to go through, together with all the suffering and permanent physiological and hormonal and emotional changes, heightened risk of injury or future infertility or death, and the whole arduous process of giving birth itself.

I'm not a woman, so I don't know enough and I must have still missed out some things in there.

Um, what are the chances of dying while in child birth in America? very slim.

More than 100x the rate of death from an abortion.

[Liriena]

Abortion...traumatic? When the number of repeat abortions has been increasing, yeah freakin right. Must be so horrifying if they're getting knocked up and comin' back for more!!! WOOT, Death Factory...erm, I mean "Planned Parenthood" must be drowning in wads of cash, not to mention their good pal Obama shoveling them billions of dollars for more abortions.

[Need a Name]

Then put that baby up for adoption.

That dosent suddenly make the possibility of death or injury disappear.

So, the baby is still a person too. They are the new generation, if we abort all our babies because there is a slim chance the mother will die, the human race will end.

[Linaresa]

Regardless of where you stand, it all comes down to the woman. Seriously.

[Hushabagain]

Well... economically... large socioeconomic forces that are insurmountable in a generation barring, say, victory in the lottery can be blamed. Individuals cannot. Maintaining economic status cannot be deemed "failure". I know where you're going with this.

its irrelevant to the topic. we'll move on now

but it's not if you believe that individuals are to blame, you're much more likely not to be in favor of abortion. If you don't then the reverse is more likely to be true. It's a basic philosophical thing. We have "true" and "false". You have chosen "false".