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by **Venaleria** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:19 pm

Yanalia wrote:
Venaleria wrote:
We have not begun voting yet, Senator. We must have 10 seconds (no admin approval) to begin voting.

I think the Second Constitution overrules that by saying that debate can only last 24 hours unless extended.

Oh I know, but don't we have to do 10 seconds with a motion to start voting or has that been overruled? I'm probably wrong...

by **Yanalia** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:20 pm

Venaleria wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
I think the Second Constitution overrules that by saying that debate can only last 24 hours unless extended.

Oh I know, but don't we have to do 10 seconds with a motion to start voting or has that been overruled? I'm probably wrong...

It's a bit of a pickle, isn't it? The Constitution didn't explicitly remove that; however, it does directly contradict it.

by **Byzantium Imperial** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:21 pm

Yanalia wrote:
Venaleria wrote:
Oh I know, but don't we have to do 10 seconds with a motion to start voting or has that been overruled? I'm probably wrong...

It's a bit of a pickle, isn't it? The Constitution didn't explicitly remove that; however, it does directly contradict it.

Well then, unless there is an admin on, we can decide it for ourselves right now through precedent establishment.

So, should we get rid of the 10 seconds or keep it? I think we should start voting now

by **Venaleria** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:24 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
It's a bit of a pickle, isn't it? The Constitution didn't explicitly remove that; however, it does directly contradict it.

Well then, unless there is an admin on, we can decide it for ourselves right now through precedent establishment.

So, should we get rid of the 10 seconds or keep it? I think we should start voting now

I don't know...I'd rather be safe than sorry, but I am eager to start voting...

by **Byzantium Imperial** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:25 pm

Venaleria wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Well then, unless there is an admin on, we can decide it for ourselves right now through precedent establishment.

So, should we get rid of the 10 seconds or keep it? I think we should start voting now

I don't know...I'd rather be safe than sorry, but I am eager to start voting...

Legally the laws appear to contradict, as it is supposed to be an automatic transition, then again the 10 seconds thing still exists. Yet was that ever really written into a law or was that just established precendent made by admins to serve as an interim mechanism?

by **The Grand Republic of Hannover** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:26 pm

Venaleria wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Well then, unless there is an admin on, we can decide it for ourselves right now through precedent establishment.

So, should we get rid of the 10 seconds or keep it? I think we should start voting now

I don't know...I'd rather be safe than sorry, but I am eager to start voting...

Me too

, but I feel like we could wait for the admins.

by **Maklohi Vai** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:26 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Venaleria wrote:
I don't know...I'd rather be safe than sorry, but I am eager to start voting...

Me too , but I feel like we could wait for the admins.

I heard my name called. What's the pickle?

by **Yanalia** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:30 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Me too , but I feel like we could wait for the admins.

I heard my name called. What's the pickle?

The Second Constitution appears to suggest that debate should end automatically after 24 hours. This contrasts with the 10 motions to end voting we have used.

by **Maklohi Vai** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:36 pm

Yanalia wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:I heard my name called. What's the pickle?

The Second Constitution appears to suggest that debate should end automatically after 24 hours. This contrasts with the 10 motions to end voting we have used.

That 10 motion procedure was part of the first constitution if I'm not mistaken, therefore the 24 hour procedure should be the one in effect. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

by **Byzantium Imperial** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:37 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
The Second Constitution appears to suggest that debate should end automatically after 24 hours. This contrasts with the 10 motions to end voting we have used.

That 10 motion procedure was part of the first constitution if I'm not mistaken, therefore the 24 hour procedure should be the one in effect. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

No i believe your correct.
In that case voting has begun, with only the edit to the small buisness act surviving
(was the fire act moved up?)

by **Yanalia** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:37 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
The Second Constitution appears to suggest that debate should end automatically after 24 hours. This contrasts with the 10 motions to end voting we have used.

That 10 motion procedure was part of the first constitution if I'm not mistaken, therefore the 24 hour procedure should be the one in effect. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

That is true. So voting automatically begins after 24 hours?

by **Maklohi Vai** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:38 pm

Yanalia wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:That 10 motion procedure was part of the first constitution if I'm not mistaken, therefore the 24 hour procedure should be the one in effect. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

That is true. So voting automatically begins after 24 hours?

Yes, it does, unless you motion for debate to continue.

by **Byzantium Imperial** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:38 pm

Maklohi Vai wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
That is true. So voting automatically begins after 24 hours?

Yes, it does, unless you motion for debate to continue.

not enough support for it, so that motion failed.

by **Kamchastkia** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:38 pm

I don't know if this is the proper way to do it, but I submit this to be added to the queue.

Repeal of the First Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act
Urgency: High
Authors: Kamchastkia (USLP)
Sponsors: Byzantium Imperial (NIFP), CTALNH (USLP), Regnum Dominae (LFP), Mishmahig (IND), Eliasonia (NIFP), New Zepuha (IND), Kalmath (PCP), Liberated Counties, The Zeonic States (NIFP)

Noting that the First Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act opens a gateway to the violation of the human right to bear arms,

Appalled that inside the First Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act it makes foreign influence and internal policies of foreign nations relevant to the unique conditions of our own,

Believing that the owning of firearms is a right of the people that shall not be taken away by the state,

Hereby repeals the First Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act.

by **Venaleria** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:39 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Maklohi Vai wrote:That 10 motion procedure was part of the first constitution if I'm not mistaken, therefore the 24 hour procedure should be the one in effect. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

No i believe your correct.
In that case voting has begun, with only the edit to the small buisness act surviving
(was the fire act moved up?)

The Fire Act was moved up.

by **Venaleria** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:45 pm

Senate Legislative Queue

Next in Queue: Gov ern men tal Serv ices Act
2. Ministry of Research and Astronomy Reform Act
3. National Cult ure Act
4. National Financing and Accounting Act
5. Lega lity and Res tri cti ons Act
6. Anti Corruption Omni bus
7. International Trea ties Ratif ication Act
8. Economic Oversight Act
9. Civil Liberties Omnibus
10. Internet Omn ibus Act
11. Voting out business management without holding shares is stupid idea and illegal
12. Standards of Daily Measurement Act
13. Condemnation of United States National Security Agency project: US-984XN
14. Environ ment Act
15. Transportation Amendments and Standards Omnibus
16. Armed Forces Reform Act
17. Revenue Collection Act of 2013
18. State of Emergency Act
19. National Fingerprint Registry
20. Social Welfare Act
21. Repeal First Amendment to the Limiting Legislation Act

Added.

GSA BILLS CURRENTLY AT VOTE:
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=15467156#p15467156 http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=14336283#p14336283 http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=239510&start=4925#wrap http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=239510&p=15344388#p15344388 http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.phpf=25&t=239510&p=14294101&hilit=Small#p14294101
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=14914504#p14914504 http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=15354665#p15354665

by **Byzantium Imperial** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:47 pm

Venaleria wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:No i believe your correct.
In that case voting has begun, with only the edit to the small buisness act surviving
(was the fire act moved up?)

The Fire Act was moved up.

very well, il assemble a vote counter

by **Venaleria** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:48 pm

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by **The Grand Republic of Hannover** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:48 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Venaleria wrote:
The Fire Act was moved up.

very well, il assemble a vote counter

Woho! I get so excited when voting is about to begin

by **Yanalia** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:50 pm

CFS: Aye
UHA: Aye
EFEA: Nay
FSMA: Aye
SMBA: Aye
UC: Aye
PEA: Abstain

by **Venaleria** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:50 pm

The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:very well, il assemble a vote counter

Woho! I get so excited when voting is about to begin

It has begun.

by **Venaleria** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:54 pm

CFS: Aye
UHA: Aye
EFEA: Abstain
FSMA: Aye
SMBA: Aye
UC: Aye
PEA: Abstain

by **Byzantium Imperial** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:54 pm

Voting on the Government Services Act Omnibus shall end at: 4:50 GMT on July 13th

Universal Health Care Act
For:
Against:
Abstain:

Educational Framework Establishment Act
For:
Against:
Abstain:

Free School Meal Act
For:
Against:
Abstain:

Small Business Assistance Act
For:
Against:
Abstain:

Universal Credit Act
For:
Against:
Abstain:

Public Education Act
For:
Against:
Abstain:

Commonwealth Fire Services Act
For:
Against:
Abstain:

by **The Grand Republic of Hannover** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:54 pm

Venaleria wrote:
The Grand Republic of Hannover wrote:
Woho! I get so excited when voting is about to begin

It has begun.

I know we are all a little polarized, but I am very impressed that we debated for hours on various bills; and no matter what happens, I am very honored to debate with you

by **Valentir** » Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:55 pm

I'm for all the acts stated above.

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