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The Holy Michigan Empire
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Postby The Holy Michigan Empire » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:21 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
The Holy Michigan Empire wrote:
Wait, what?

The current Republican Party is often more corporocratic than capitalist.
The Democrats are sometimes guilty of this too, but to a lesser degree.


That makes a little more sense.

But anti-capitalist. . . .

The Soviet Republican Corporate Party of America would make a nice fictional faction.

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ImprisonedUnionLeaders
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Postby ImprisonedUnionLeaders » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:21 pm

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ImprisonedUnionLeaders wrote:I usually vote Republican, but their Anti-Capitalist views make me angry. I have to pick and choose, never a straight ticket.


Wait, what?

My local party was in favor of "reasonable restrictions" for businesses. For a bit I thought they were occupy protesters.

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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:23 pm

ImprisonedUnionLeaders wrote:
The Holy Michigan Empire wrote:
Wait, what?

My local party was in favor of "reasonable restrictions" for businesses. For a bit I thought they were occupy protesters.

That's not anti-capitalist. Mildly regulated capitalism is still capitalism.

In fact, it's possible to have laissez-faire regulated capitalism; it's not a contradiction.
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Postby Aldheim » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:24 pm

I originally registered as an unaffiliated voter because the Democrats are often too centrist and spineless for my liking, but I later registered as one as I decided I was better off being able to vote in the primaries.
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Mosquetium
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Postby Mosquetium » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:25 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
ImprisonedUnionLeaders wrote:My local party was in favor of "reasonable restrictions" for businesses. For a bit I thought they were occupy protesters.

That's not anti-capitalist. Mildly regulated capitalism is still capitalism.

In fact, it's possible to have laissez-faire regulated capitalism; it's not a contradiction.


Minimal Regulations aren't bad but i prefer Unrestricted Laissez Faire Capitalism .

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New Naephak
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Postby New Naephak » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:26 pm

No.

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ImprisonedUnionLeaders
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Postby ImprisonedUnionLeaders » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:26 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
ImprisonedUnionLeaders wrote:My local party was in favor of "reasonable restrictions" for businesses. For a bit I thought they were occupy protesters.

That's not anti-capitalist. Mildly regulated capitalism is still capitalism.

In fact, it's possible to have laissez-faire regulated capitalism; it's not a contradiction.


Not my style. :lol:


All in all not bad, but my states Republicans produce a large amount of crazies. Huckabee probably being the most well known.

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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:27 pm

Mosquetium wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:That's not anti-capitalist. Mildly regulated capitalism is still capitalism.

In fact, it's possible to have laissez-faire regulated capitalism; it's not a contradiction.


Minimal Regulations aren't bad but i prefer Unrestricted Laissez Faire Capitalism .

With zero regulation, there is nothing to make sure that the free market stays free instead of turning into a corporate monopoly/oligopoly.
With light regulation, the government can make sure that the market stays free, while largely staying out of the way.
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Czervenika
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Postby Czervenika » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:30 pm

Not yet, but I've been considering joining the communist party of my country.
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Mosquetium
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Postby Mosquetium » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:31 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Mosquetium wrote:
Minimal Regulations aren't bad but i prefer Unrestricted Laissez Faire Capitalism .

With zero regulation, there is nothing to make sure that the free market stays free instead of turning into a corporate monopoly/oligopoly.
With light regulation, the government can make sure that the market stays free, while largely staying out of the way.


When you have competition you restrict the ability of company have monopoly of certain Item or good .

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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:31 pm

Mosquetium wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:With zero regulation, there is nothing to make sure that the free market stays free instead of turning into a corporate monopoly/oligopoly.
With light regulation, the government can make sure that the market stays free, while largely staying out of the way.


When you have competition you restrict the ability of company have monopoly of certain Item or good .

Huh? Competition is preferable to a monopoly.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:32 pm

Mosquetium wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:With zero regulation, there is nothing to make sure that the free market stays free instead of turning into a corporate monopoly/oligopoly.
With light regulation, the government can make sure that the market stays free, while largely staying out of the way.


When you have competition you restrict the ability of company have monopoly of certain Item or good .

Yes, which is exactly the right thing to do.
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Postby Threlizdun » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:35 pm

Czervenika wrote:Not yet, but I've been considering joining the communist party of my country.
Which country would that be?
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Postby Benomia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:36 pm

No because there are no actual communist parties in my country.

The Communist Party isn't even communist.
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Postby Mosquetium » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:37 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Mosquetium wrote:
When you have competition you restrict the ability of company have monopoly of certain Item or good .

Yes, which is exactly the right thing to do.


This is why i support Liberalization and Capitalism because it's the best system .

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Postby The BlAAtschApen » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:37 pm

Benomia wrote:No because there are no actual communist parties in my country.

The Communist Party isn't even communist.


What stops you from creating one yourself?
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Postby Dalmacie » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:37 pm

Benomia wrote:No because there are no actual communist parties in my country.

The Communist Party isn't even communist.

What country is that?

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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:38 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Mosquetium wrote:
When you have competition you restrict the ability of company have monopoly of certain Item or good .

Yes, which is exactly the right thing to do.

I think this is the first time I've actually seen one of the "zero regulations!" people arguing that monopolies are GOOD.

Usually they just say that in a "true free market" it's impossible for monopolies to arise.
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Calimera II
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Postby Calimera II » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:38 pm

Currently not.
For in Argentina I am planning to apply for membership at the PRO or the Coalición Cívica! It's too difficult to choose.

Here, in The Netherlands I will probably apply for te VVD or the D'66

And Merkel and her CDU will always have my support in germany, no membership needed.

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Benomia
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Postby Benomia » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:38 pm

Dalmacie wrote:
Benomia wrote:No because there are no actual communist parties in my country.

The Communist Party isn't even communist.

What country is that?


The USA.

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Benomia wrote:No because there are no actual communist parties in my country.

The Communist Party isn't even communist.


What stops you from creating one yourself?


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Regnum Dominae
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:38 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Benomia wrote:No because there are no actual communist parties in my country.

The Communist Party isn't even communist.


What stops you from creating one yourself?

Funny thing is, we already have ~25 socialist/communist parties.
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Postby Czervenika » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:38 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Czervenika wrote:Not yet, but I've been considering joining the communist party of my country.
Which country would that be?


Canada.

It's not a great party but it's better than all the alternatives.
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:40 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:Yes, which is exactly the right thing to do.

I think this is the first time I've actually seen one of the "zero regulations!" people arguing that monopolies are GOOD.

Usually they just say that in a "true free market" it's impossible for monopolies to arise.

Well, in some cases a monopoly could by leveraging market power, keep costs lower than any competitors that might arise. Leading to a natural and consumer-benefiting monopoly.
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Calimera II
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Postby Calimera II » Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:41 pm

Czervenika wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Which country would that be?


Canada.

It's not a great party but it's better than all the alternatives.


Eww Communism. (;

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