The Crimson War [OoC Thread]

[Solm]

The Crimson War
[OoC Thread]

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IC Thread Here

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Plot: A nation intercepted a Solmian plane that was heavily guarded, they effectively hijacked it and destroyed its escorts and safely escorted it back to the nation (not Solm). Inside the plane was a highly secured package, containing top secret information about SIB [Solmian Intelligence Bureau] and their agents in said nation. With tensions high from previous engagements: The nation refuses to recognize Solm as a sovereign nation, with hostilities growing ever since their formations. The nation dislikes Solm, heavily, with numerous of reasons. With the time running out until they cracked the code to open the highly secured package, and it would be detrimental for the nation to read its contents, Solm embarks on a war. Nations soon join Solm and prepare to unleash their horror upon the nation, however, other nations join the other nation and it soon turns into a huge war, with the invasion of the nation about to begin. Under time pressure, Solm hopes to be able to defeat the nation and retrieve their package before the nation can crack it. The small conflict turns into a huge war, The Crimson War.

Rules: I. There will be no weapons of mass destruction deployed throughout this Roleplay. WMDs include, but are not limited to, Nuclear or ICBM warheads, biological attacks, or any weapon intended on killing massive amounts of civilians.

II. Language is tolerable if it serves a purpose in the roleplay. Please, though, no excessive language or references to any sexual, racist, or derogatory ideas in the threads, please.

III. Keep all OoC-related comments to the OoC thread, please. I want this roleplay to live up to its epic expectations (in my mind, of course ) and I don't want it bogged down with a lot of OoC nonsense like flame wars. If you have a question about something of an OoC nature, please post it in the OoC Thread [here].

IV. RP Quality will be semi-enforces, as we do not require each post to be "epic," but if a nation consistently produces "bad" posts, then they will be kicked out of the RP.

V. The RP is semi-open, please post here, if you wish to join. But, do not not post in the IC thread without confirmation by me in this thread first.

VI. The package stolen by said nation is highly secured, and it will take much time for the nation to open it and read its contents. Therefore, the invaders are under a time pressure to retrieve the package, the nation holding the package can decide that time limit, but please be reasonable, as the package is extremely secure and it will take time for the nation to open it.

VII. This RP is MT, Modern-tech, all weapons and technology must be accurate to the current day. However, custom weapons and technology are fine.

VIII. I would like this RP to have minimal naval involvement and be mostly limited to land warfare.

Nations Involved:

Solmian Side:
Solm
Ewa Beach [Officially Called The Federation of Cervia]
LINTYLAND
Lower Weston
Brostan

The Other Nation's Side:
Nation that stole Package: Tergnitz
Chernobl
Estovokiat
Slazenagara
Imeriata
Falasia

[Tergnitz]

After talking to Solm, I have agreed to be the nation which steals the elusive 'package.' If this does lead to outright war (which it of course will) and an invasion of my nation, there are a few conditions.

1. There are to be no mass killings of civilians without a very good reason. My advice is to try and act like Western forces currently in Afghanistan who are trying to win the hearts and minds of the populace.

2. Senior figures within my government, such as the Emperor, the Imperial Family, the Head of Government and the Ministers of Defence and Foreign Affairs are off-limits. Don't bother trying to assassinate, bomb or kill them in any way. I'll just ignore it if you do.

3. Finally, should an invasion take place and should said invasion be successful, the Empire of Tergnitz will remain a free, independent and sovereign nation. If you’re looking for a new colony or protectorate, better start looking elsewhere.

Moving on from that, there is a full map of my nation in my sig and if your looking for some more details, check out my factbook.

[Chernobl]

I plan on entering the war once Solm declares war on Tergnitz. I'll call the declaration of hostilities uncalled for and seek to defend Tergnitz. I'll deploy a fleet and multiple reactionary forces to the region to work with Tergnitz. My troops will have a strictly defensive ROE.

However I'm wondering, will we post ORBATs and war logs on the IC thread or here?

[Tergnitz]

I would say in this thread, with a link/spoiler in the IC thread.

I'll be chucking up a sample ORBAT which will serve as a template for my forces. But basically the entire military of my nation will be fighting off this invasion.

[Solm]

Very Good, and you can post ORBATS here, and as Tergnitz said, you could, but do not have to, post them in the IC Thread.

Also, Tergnitz, do you want to start the RP with my package in the air, or my Declaration of War and first mobilities?

[Tergnitz]

I think that starting with your package in the air would give the story a nice initial build-up . Rather than a sudden declaration of war and instant troop movements.

[Ewa beach]

1. There are to be no mass killings of civilians without a very good reason. My advice is to try and act like Western forces currently in Afghanistan who are trying to win the hearts and minds of the populace.

Your populace or my populace? And acting like Western forces in Afghanistan will be kind of hard for my military, they're nothing like them.

[Tergnitz]

1. There are to be no mass killings of civilians without a very good reason. My advice is to try and act like Western forces currently in Afghanistan who are trying to win the hearts and minds of the populace.

Your populace or my populace? And acting like Western forces in Afghanistan will be kind of hard for my military, they're nothing like them.

My populace. You can kill as many of your people as you want; they're your citizens after all. You don't have to be identical to them, it was just an example.

I did say mass killings. Some civilian casualties are fine, while larger amounts need a valid reason other than ‘I felt like it,’ or ‘look how evil / badass my military is.’

[Ewa beach]

1. There are to be no mass killings of civilians without a very good reason. My advice is to try and act like Western forces currently in Afghanistan who are trying to win the hearts and minds of the populace.

Your populace or my populace? And acting like Western forces in Afghanistan will be kind of hard for my military, they're nothing like them.

My populace. You can kill as many of your people as you want; they're your citizens after all. You don't have to be identical to them, it was just an example.

I did say mass killings. Some civilian casualties are fine, while larger amounts need a valid reason other than ‘I felt like it,’ or ‘look how evil / badass my military is.’

I won't kill civilians unless it's necessary, and it's usually not necessary. So you have nothing to worry about..your soldiers however....

[Estovokiat]

Cant wait till the IC thread is up

[Ewa beach]

Cant wait till the IC thread is up

Ditto.

[LINTYLAND]

Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can i slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

[Tergnitz]

Cant wait till the IC thread is up

Ditto.

Third.

The good men and women of Tergnitz would glady lay down their lives for the good of the Empire. Seeing as my nation is significantly smaller than even just your nation, my strategy to win this war will have to....change.

[Chernobl]

Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can a slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

Do what a real military would do, try to avoid civilian casualties. There is a reason things such as laser guided bombs and precision artillery were invented. If you were meant to level entire cities, than weapons would be designed for that. But most modern weapons are designed with civilian well being in mind.
The Israeli Delilah Missile is a great example.

[LINTYLAND]

Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can a slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

Do what a real military would do, try to avoid civilian casualties. There is a reason things such as laser guided bombs and precision artillery were invented. If you were meant to level entire cities, than weapons would be designed for that. But most modern weapons are designed with civilian well being in mind.
The Israeli Delilah Missile is a great example.

I know what you mean, but how about if there like the japanese civilians in WW2, who lay down their lives for the emperor. Do i get to slaughter them at that point?

[Tergnitz]

Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can a slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

Do what a real military would do, try to avoid civilian casualties. There is a reason things such as laser guided bombs and precision artillery were invented. If you were meant to level entire cities, than weapons would be designed for that. But most modern weapons are designed with civilian well being in mind.
The Israeli Delilah Missile is a great example.

I know what you mean, but how about if there like the japanese civilians in WW2, who lay down their lives for the emperor. Do i get to slaughter them at that point?

This is why I brought up Afghanistan, but Iraq would actually be a more appropriate analogy. You will have to treat every citizen as a potential threat. But at the same time, you just can’t go around shooting everyone who looks at your soldiers wrong or kids who throw rocks at your tanks. Measured and appropriate force, would be the correct term.

[Chernobl]

Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can a slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

Do what a real military would do, try to avoid civilian casualties. There is a reason things such as laser guided bombs and precision artillery were invented. If you were meant to level entire cities, than weapons would be designed for that. But most modern weapons are designed with civilian well being in mind.
The Israeli Delilah Missile is a great example.

I know what you mean, but how about if there like the japanese civilians in WW2, who lay down their lives for the emperor. Do i get to slaughter them at that point?

At that point they become an enemy combatant. The basic philosophy of modern, civilized armed forces is "If shot at, shoot back."

Basically, it is appropriate to respond to any agressive action with an appropriate amount of force. If an old Tergnitzian women spits on one of your soldiers, he shouldn't shoot her, but if she pulls out a .22 rim fire, than by all means he should engage her as he would engage any target.

[LINTYLAND]

Umm about the whole killing civilians thing, what if there caught in a combat zone? Can a slaughter them? Or just take them as prisoners? Or what?

Do what a real military would do, try to avoid civilian casualties. There is a reason things such as laser guided bombs and precision artillery were invented. If you were meant to level entire cities, than weapons would be designed for that. But most modern weapons are designed with civilian well being in mind.
The Israeli Delilah Missile is a great example.

I know what you mean, but how about if there like the japanese civilians in WW2, who lay down their lives for the emperor. Do i get to slaughter them at that point?

This is why I brought up Afghanistan, but Iraq would actually be a more appropriate analogy. You will have to treat every citizen as a potential threat. But at the same time, you just can’t go around shooting everyone who looks at your soldiers wrong or kids who throw rocks at your tanks. Measured and appropriate force, would be the correct term.

Yea i get it now, thanks alot for the help guys.

[LINTYLAND]

Also how long should the naval engagement be. I know it should be brief, but should there be any opposition to the attacking fleet?

[Tergnitz]

Oe more thing.

Under normal circumstances, any invasion of my homeland by a foreign power would be met by an immediate nuclear retaliatory strike on their homeland. Obviously that isn't going to happen in this case, but could someone do a quick write-up after the invasion begins, detailing the actions of a mole, very high-up in my government who leaked the frequency used to order nuclear weapon release. Thus preventing my nuclear arsenal from being used as you guys can intercept the orders.

[Chernobl]

Also how long should the naval engagement be. I know it should be brief, but should there be any opposition to the attacking fleet?

That all depends on the strength of the defending fleet.

[Tergnitz]

Also how long should the naval engagement be. I know it should be brief, but should there be any opposition to the attacking fleet?

You bet there will be.

[LINTYLAND]

Oe more thing.

Under normal circumstances, any invasion of my homeland by a foreign power would be met by an immediate nuclear retaliatory strike on their homeland. Obviously that isn't going to happen in this case, but could someone do a quick write-up after the invasion begins, detailing the actions of a mole, very high-up in my government who leaked the frequency used to order nuclear weapon release. Thus preventing my nuclear arsenal from being used as you guys can intercept the orders.

I could always EMP your nuclear missile launch silos

[Solm]

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[Lower Weston]

Well You know I'm doing this thread.