NYT: Jeep Cherokee, culturally insenstive??

[Costa Fuar]

No, whether something is offensive or not is a judgement call.
If a name or image from a culture was taken/used without concern for the effect on that culture then it is culturally insensitive, regardless of whether the usage causes offense.
This has been explained to you at least 3 times now.

What if most of the Cherokee are fine with it and don't believe that their culture has been affected? Would you force them to consider it insensitive?

Again, I'm Cherokee, and it is not insensitive to this issue. As for judgement calls, honestly it depends on the person you're talking too.

[Costa Fuar]

idiot. No need to be calling anyone a prick. You people from New Zealand are strange. Having the name Cheyenne is not insensitive, but if you are named it, you should know the history behind it and be respectful of the name.

Great. There's no need to say prick but there is for idiot.
Plus I'm strange by stereotypical generalisation. Fan-fucking-tastic.
Well my name is Llywellyn but I know fuck all about those three Welsh princes, a dog involved and something else. I cope just fine being unaware of it. If name history is so important, what can you say about yourself?

Way to take a punch. It's cool being the kid who never punches back, right? I meant names significant to history. I don't give a rats furry ass about names that don't mean jack squat. I do know the history of my name, if that makes you any happier, though.

[Costa Alegria]

What I don't understand is why there are all these new countries beginning with "Costa".

Dat's my shit.

[Costa Fuar]

What I don't understand is why there are all these new countries beginning with "Costa".

Dat's my shit.

Well, live with it I guess

[Costa Alegria]

Well, live with it I guess

Ain't got a choice on that.

Well my name is Llywellyn but I know fuck all about those three Welsh princes, a dog involved and something else. I cope just fine being unaware of it. If name history is so important, what can you say about yourself?

All I know about famous Michaels is that one's a golfer that hasn't done much since 2005, one's German and likes to drive really fast and the other one was made of plastic and dangled small children out of windows.

[Creative Vikings]

Great. There's no need to say prick but there is for idiot.
Plus I'm strange by stereotypical generalisation. Fan-fucking-tastic.
Well my name is Llywellyn but I know fuck all about those three Welsh princes, a dog involved and something else. I cope just fine being unaware of it. If name history is so important, what can you say about yourself?

Way to take a punch. It's cool being the kid who never punches back, right? I meant names significant to history. I don't give a rats furry ass about names that don't mean jack squat. I do know the history of my name, if that makes you any happier, though.

What names aren't significant to history?
And now that I think about it, yes, it is is AWESOME being the 'kid' who never punches back. It just means I'm not the arse who throws them.

[New Maldorainia]

Ok everyone, on topic, no need to sit there and talk about people knowing the history or meaning of their names, unless it ties directly to the topic in some way.

[Creative Vikings]

What I don't understand is why there are all these new countries beginning with "Costa".

Dat's my shit.

He called us strange because we're New Zealanders.
While I'm not denying that as a whole, that's just mean.

[Costa Fuar]

Way to take a punch. It's cool being the kid who never punches back, right? I meant names significant to history. I don't give a rats furry ass about names that don't mean jack squat. I do know the history of my name, if that makes you any happier, though.

What names aren't significant to history?
And now that I think about it, yes, it is is AWESOME being the 'kid' who never punches back. It just means I'm not the arse who throws them.

Significant ain't mean that every damned kid is named it and thousands of people who are famous are and were named. George. How many famous George's have there been? What about Thomas? I'm just saying that some names represent something significant while other were just names of people who did something significant.

[Costa Fuar]

Ok everyone, on topic, no need to sit there and talk about people knowing the history or meaning of their names, unless it ties directly to the topic in some way.

Sorry, was typing other message and didn't see this one.

[New Maldorainia]

You have to wonder why some people find something insensitive or offensive on behalf of other people. Seems like they can do it for themselves if they have an issue with it.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

No, whether something is offensive or not is a judgement call.
If a name or image from a culture was taken/used without concern for the effect on that culture then it is culturally insensitive, regardless of whether the usage causes offense.
This has been explained to you at least 3 times now.

If the people who it was named after see no issue, then yes, it is a judgement call by the company to resurrect a historical nameplate. It is just a name, not used in any offensive way, no offensive mascot or anything, just the name applied to a car.

Again, "culturally insensitive"=/="offensive".
Really, how hard is that to grasp. No one is saying the usage of the name is offensive, just that using it without consulting the Cherokee about it's use is culturally insensitive.

[New Maldorainia]

If the people who it was named after see no issue, then yes, it is a judgement call by the company to resurrect a historical nameplate. It is just a name, not used in any offensive way, no offensive mascot or anything, just the name applied to a car.

Again, "culturally insensitive"=/="offensive".
Really, how hard is that to grasp. No one is saying the usage of the name is offensive, just that using it without consulting the Cherokee about it's use is culturally insensitive.

As I said, never said offensive, just do not see why Chrysler would need to do it. If no one makes a fuss is it insensitive?

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

I... Fail to see the issue. It's a name for a car. Unless they're intentionally designing it to break down or fail, it should be 'insensitive'.

The only issue is that Jeep demonstrated cultural insensitivity by not consulting the Cherokee before using their name.
"Culturally insensitive"=/="offensive".

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

It's not that important to me

Then why have you been making such a big issue out of it?

I'm discussing the topic of the thread.

[New Maldorainia]

I... Fail to see the issue. It's a name for a car. Unless they're intentionally designing it to break down or fail, it should be 'insensitive'.

The only issue is that Jeep demonstrated cultural insensitivity by not consulting the Cherokee before using their name.
"Culturally insensitive"=/="offensive".

But how, not even the Cherokee made a fuss and the name has been around since the 70's.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

No, whether something is offensive or not is a judgement call.
If a name or image from a culture was taken/used without concern for the effect on that culture then it is culturally insensitive, regardless of whether the usage causes offense.
This has been explained to you at least 3 times now.

What if most of the Cherokee are fine with it and don't believe that their culture has been affected? Would you force them to consider it insensitive?

Seriously? Do you just never bother to read posts?

[Geilinor]

You have to wonder why some people find something insensitive or offensive on behalf of other people. Seems like they can do it for themselves if they have an issue with it.

I agree. Non-Cherokees seem much angrier than actual Cherokees. Costa Fuar, who is Cherokee, isn't even worried.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

You have to wonder why some people find something insensitive or offensive on behalf of other people. Seems like they can do it for themselves if they have an issue with it.

Whether or not something is insensitive is not a judgement call.

[New Maldorainia]

You have to wonder why some people find something insensitive or offensive on behalf of other people. Seems like they can do it for themselves if they have an issue with it.

Whether or not something is insensitive is not a judgement call.

I disagree it is a judgement call.

[Geilinor]

You have to wonder why some people find something insensitive or offensive on behalf of other people. Seems like they can do it for themselves if they have an issue with it.

Whether or not something is insensitive is not a judgement call.

Shouldn't it be up to the Cherokee to decide that question?

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

You have to wonder why some people find something insensitive or offensive on behalf of other people. Seems like they can do it for themselves if they have an issue with it.

I agree. Non-Cherokees seem much angrier than actual Cherokees. Costa Fuar, who is Cherokee, isn't even worried.

Only because you're mistaking "explaining the difference between cultural insensitivity" with "being angry".

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

Whether or not something is insensitive is not a judgement call.

Shouldn't it be up to the Cherokee to decide that question?

No, because whether or not some action is insensitive is not a judgement call. Try actually reading the posts you respond to.

[Geilinor]

Shouldn't it be up to the Cherokee to decide that question?

No, because whether or not some action is insensitive is not a judgement call. Try actually reading the posts you respond to.

Why is it not? You saying "whether or not some action is insensitive is not a judgment call" doesn't make it true. It should be up to the culture in question to decide whether they feel it is insensitive. Many Cherokee might feel that it is acceptable. Are you Cherokee? I didn't think so. People can have different ideas of what is sensitive or insensitive. Everything is not black-and-white. That's actually a logical fallacy.

[Algonquin Ascendancy]

No, because whether or not some action is insensitive is not a judgement call. Try actually reading the posts you respond to.

Why is it not? It should be up to the culture in question to decide whether they feel it is insensitive. Many Cherokee might feel that it is acceptable. Are you Cherokee? I didn't think so. People can have different ideas of what is sensitive or insensitive. Everything is not black-and-white. That's actually a logical fallacy.

Invest in a dictionary.

Showing or feeling no concern for others' feelings.

1: Disagreeable to the senses.
2: Causing anger, displeasure, resentment, or affront

Aussi, non I am not Cherokee. I am Anishinabe.