NSG Senate Chamber [NSG Senate]

[Gothmogs]

Confirmation Vote for John Geil as Prime Minister of the Aurentine Commonwealth
Voting ends 0:22 EDT, June 25

For: 60
Against: 69
Abstain: 2

[Yanalia]

Confirmation Vote for John Geil as Prime Minister of the Aurentine Commonwealth
Voting ends 0:22 EDT, June 25

For: 61
Against: 69
Abstain: 2

[Gothmogs]

Well I failed that.

[Ainin]

Just for shit and giggles, I dare you guys to find a single way my picture could have been falsified.

[Yanalia]

Just for shit and giggles, I dare you guys to find a single way my picture could have been falsified.

The same way Britcan did it, presumably. Also, no one said your particular case was false. Just that proxy votes were open to manipulation.

[Great Nepal]

And it is equally easy to create thousands of puppets or hack another person's account. Does that mean we should ban voting online?

No, it's not equally easy to hack someone's account. Not in any way. Same with creating "thousands" of puppets, especially seeing as we caught someone creating just one of them in the Applications thread.

Its not as easy as editing in paint however not that hard. About three hours in programming software and leaving computer running for about 48 hours will do the job.
As for creating puppets, it is easier than editing in MS-paint.

[Ainin]

Just for shit and giggles, I dare you guys to find a single way my picture could have been falsified.

The same way Britcan did it, presumably.

If you zoomed out, it would be obvious Britcan's image would be missing a favicon. Mine had one.

[Mishmahig]

We extended the voting deadline by 24 hours?

I'm sorry, but what happened to all those complaints about having a massive backlog of bills?

Would it be possible for me to motion for the restoration of the voting time to the original 24 hours?

[Eliasonia]

We extended the voting deadline by 24 hours?

I'm sorry, but what happened to all those complaints about having a massive backlog of bills?

Would it be possible for me to motion for the restoration of the voting time to the original 24 hours?

I would second that motion.

[Free South Califas]

Now in the specific case being discussed, computer problems seem to have occurred. But I don't think "people having lives" explains that people can get on to send a TG, but not to spend 20 seconds posting "AYE". I'm sorry, but why can people get on to TG someone but not post?

Clicking on NS icon opens NS page where person can copy and paste a sentence into their reply, which takes about 2 seconds. This may be doable than going on forums, finding chamber's thread, getting up to speed on whats being voted and then vote.

Not the point. It's possible, and therefore it's bad.

It is possible that someone hacks into another person's account and votes. Therefore voting must be banned.

You're using quote tag tricks in the hope we forget what Senator van Oostvoorne said. What he said was it was possible to fake this in MS Paint. He wasn't talking about hardcore hacking.

[Great Nepal]

In regards to proxy voting, how about we just use screencapture software to create a video. That is much harder to edit than picture.

[Yanalia]

We extended the voting deadline by 24 hours?

I'm sorry, but what happened to all those complaints about having a massive backlog of bills?

Would it be possible for me to motion for the restoration of the voting time to the original 24 hours?

Presumably. As Great Nepal would say, nothing forbids it, and the procedure is left quite open as "other things can be motioned as well."

[Ainin]

In regards to proxy voting, how about we just use screencapture software to create a video. That is much harder to edit than picture.

I actually did made one, but the picture was enough proof, apparently.

[Great Nepal]

Clicking on NS icon opens NS page where person can copy and paste a sentence into their reply, which takes about 2 seconds. This may be doable than going on forums, finding chamber's thread, getting up to speed on whats being voted and then vote.


It is possible that someone hacks into another person's account and votes. Therefore voting must be banned.

You're using quote tag tricks in the hope we forget what Senator van Oostvoorne said. What he said was it was possible to fake this in MS Paint. He wasn't talking about hardcore hacking.

I am simply demonstrating how "It's possible, and therefore it's bad" argument is invalid.

[Jozef van Oostvoorne]

We extended the voting deadline by 24 hours?

I'm sorry, but what happened to all those complaints about having a massive backlog of bills?

Would it be possible for me to motion for the restoration of the voting time to the original 24 hours?

I would second that motion.

I already did, actually:

I motion for the election to end at its usual time, with no extension.

Seconded.

Consider this a second.

[Free South Califas]

Seeing as how I can do this:

(Image)

Proxy voting isn't a good idea.

Internet Explorer doesn't have "Inspect element". Your argument is invalid.

Proxy voting in general doesn't hinge on your version of IE. Only the MUCH stricter requirement you voluntarily took on yourself does.

[Great Nepal]

We extended the voting deadline by 24 hours?

I'm sorry, but what happened to all those complaints about having a massive backlog of bills?

Would it be possible for me to motion for the restoration of the voting time to the original 24 hours?

Presumably. As Great Nepal would say, nothing forbids it, and the procedure is left quite open as "other things can be motioned as well."

Actually, it was already established that we can't reduce voting period.

[Yanalia]

I would second that motion.

I already did, actually:

Seconded.

Consider this a second.

I take it's been thirded then? Fourthed.

[Malgrave]

We extended the voting deadline by 24 hours?

I'm sorry, but what happened to all those complaints about having a massive backlog of bills?

Would it be possible for me to motion for the restoration of the voting time to the original 24 hours?

I would second that motion.

I've also supported and continue to support this motion.

[Free South Califas]

Seeing as how I can do this:

(Image)

Proxy voting isn't a good idea.

And it is equally easy to create thousands of puppets

Doubt it.

or hack another person's account.

Definitely wrong.

[Mishmahig]

We extended the voting deadline by 24 hours?

I'm sorry, but what happened to all those complaints about having a massive backlog of bills?

Would it be possible for me to motion for the restoration of the voting time to the original 24 hours?

Presumably. As Great Nepal would say, nothing forbids it, and the procedure is left quite open as "other things can be motioned as well."

Very well then.

I motion that the voting period be returned to the original deadline of 48 hours.

It has already been motioned. I add my support to the other motion.

[Jetan]

We extended the voting deadline by 24 hours?

I'm sorry, but what happened to all those complaints about having a massive backlog of bills?

Would it be possible for me to motion for the restoration of the voting time to the original 24 hours?

What would be the point? It would just be motioned to be extended again.

Presumably. As Great Nepal would say, nothing forbids it, and the procedure is left quite open as "other things can be motioned as well."

Very well then.

I motion that the voting period be returned to the original deadline of 48 hours.

Opposed.

[Jozef van Oostvoorne]

You're using quote tag tricks in the hope we forget what Senator van Oostvoorne said. What he said was it was possible to fake this in MS Paint. He wasn't talking about hardcore hacking.

I am simply demonstrating how "It's possible, and therefore it's bad" argument is invalid.

It may have been a bit short through the curb, I'll admit. Though, I consider this a much more real possibility than someone hacking nations or creating puppets, and I am sure several esteemed Senators will agree with me on that.

[Yanalia]

Presumably. As Great Nepal would say, nothing forbids it, and the procedure is left quite open as "other things can be motioned as well."

Actually, it was already established that we can't reduce voting period.

I believe the motion in question began before the voting period extended, therefore not technically shortening it, but keeping it where it was at the time.

[Mishmahig]

We extended the voting deadline by 24 hours?

I'm sorry, but what happened to all those complaints about having a massive backlog of bills?

Would it be possible for me to motion for the restoration of the voting time to the original 24 hours?

What would be the point? It would just be motioned to be extended again.

What's the point of extending it in the first place?