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Do you agree with holding the talks?

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Divair
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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:11 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Divair wrote:Because you don't understand that intervention leads to terrorism, which leads to intervention and more terrorism. It'll keep going forever until one of you stop, and they aren't going to, because they are reacting to your actions.

BS, they'd probably attack us regardless of whether we intervened or not. They don't hate us for intervening, they hate us because we aren't Muslim. I'd rather try to kill them off than do nothing.

Holy shit, you're just like the GOP. "hurr durr, they hate our freedom and our lack of Islam clearly" Go take an international relations course. Osama wasn't an idiot. He did the things he did for a reason, and his gang gladly followed because the USA constantly intervened in the Middle East against the Soviets.
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The Godly Nations
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Postby The Godly Nations » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:11 am

Benuty wrote:
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Is it, but, as Zweite Alaje points out, we need to earn their respect through fear- now that our own citizens don't respect us, we need them to fear us first.


"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. "
~Thomas Jefferson

Yeah....I think not.


But the government does fear the people, which is why we need to bring the army in, perfect proof of our liberty.

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Postby The balkens » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:11 am

Rumostan wrote:
Benuty wrote:
You are implying afghanistan has been in a state of llong-term anarchy....it has not.


The Taliban will gain control of the country or it will be ruled by a corrupt government.


id prefer the latter. to be honest.

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Postby Ainin » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:12 am

Rumostan wrote:
Benuty wrote:
You are implying afghanistan has been in a state of llong-term anarchy....it has not.


The Taliban will gain control of the country or it will be ruled by a corrupt government.

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Postby Benuty » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:12 am

Rumostan wrote:
Benuty wrote:
You are implying afghanistan has been in a state of llong-term anarchy....it has not.


The Taliban will gain control of the country or it will be ruled by a corrupt government.


1) Hardly without something to direct hate toward you become the hated.
2) Possibly but many of the problems can be placed on the shoulders of Karzais kabal.

Then there are the unneramable options that include them slowly becoming an actual republic of some form and decades later who knows how they will be.
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Postby Aldheim » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:12 am

It's about damned time
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Postby Rumostan » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:13 am

Benuty wrote:
Rumostan wrote:
The Taliban will gain control of the country or it will be ruled by a corrupt government.


1) Hardly without something to direct hate toward you become the hated.
2) Possibly but many of the problems can be placed on the shoulders of Karzais kabal.


Yes but he is not running the best type of government, corruption is rife.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:14 am

The Godly Nations wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:BS, they'd probably attack us regardless of whether we intervened or not. They don't hate us for intervening, they hate us because we aren't Muslim. I'd rather try to kill them off than do nothing.


Brilliant psychoanalyst- these Moslems are all simply hateful people who hate us for no reason at all, which is why they attack us. Nothing to do with our foriegn policies. Say, Mr Alaje, how about the people that hates the government here, shouldn't we do something about them first?


We can do both.

The people that hate the government here are self-hating treasonists.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:14 am

Rumostan wrote:
Benuty wrote:
1) Hardly without something to direct hate toward you become the hated.
2) Possibly but many of the problems can be placed on the shoulders of Karzais kabal.


Yes but he is not running the best type of government, corruption is rife.


Which is what happens when you let a cabal run government affairs.
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Postby The Godly Nations » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:15 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
The Godly Nations wrote:
Brilliant psychoanalyst- these Moslems are all simply hateful people who hate us for no reason at all, which is why they attack us. Nothing to do with our foriegn policies. Say, Mr Alaje, how about the people that hates the government here, shouldn't we do something about them first?


We can do both.

The people that hate the government here are self-hating treasonists.


That'll be extending our army, and we need them here to patrol our streets.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:15 am

Ifreann wrote:I like peace. Can we have more peace, please?


Where's the fun in that?
But it's about time we just threw in the towel. Those Middle-Easterners are crazy.

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Postby The Sector Union » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:16 am

Divair wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:BS, they'd probably attack us regardless of whether we intervened or not. They don't hate us for intervening, they hate us because we aren't Muslim. I'd rather try to kill them off than do nothing.

Holy shit, you're just like the GOP. "hurr durr, they hate our freedom and our lack of Islam clearly" Go take an international relations course. Osama wasn't an idiot. He did the things he did for a reason, and his gang gladly followed because the USA constantly intervened in the Middle East against the Soviets.


Osama wanted to mess with the USA. Pissing off the big kid on the block really. I'm sure it was more than just our reaction though. They were anti-americans.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:16 am

The Afghan government is terrible, and so are the Taliban. Wouldn't like to talk to either.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:16 am

The Godly Nations wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
We can do both.

The people that hate the government here are self-hating treasonists.


That'll be extending our army, and we need them here to patrol our streets.


I smell treason and it taste of putridness.
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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:16 am

The Sector Union wrote:
Divair wrote:Holy shit, you're just like the GOP. "hurr durr, they hate our freedom and our lack of Islam clearly" Go take an international relations course. Osama wasn't an idiot. He did the things he did for a reason, and his gang gladly followed because the USA constantly intervened in the Middle East against the Soviets.


Osama wanted to mess with the USA. Pissing off the big kid on the block really. I'm sure it was more than just our reaction though. They were anti-americans.

Clearly they just got bored and were like "hey, let's go bomb the USA FOR THE LOLS"

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Postby New Rogernomics » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:17 am

Benuty wrote:
The Godly Nations wrote:
That'll be extending our army, and we need them here to patrol our streets.


I smell treason and it taste of putridness.
Treason goes down well with a chocolate sundae.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:17 am

Divair wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:BS, they'd probably attack us regardless of whether we intervened or not. They don't hate us for intervening, they hate us because we aren't Muslim. I'd rather try to kill them off than do nothing.

Holy shit, you're just like the GOP. "hurr durr, they hate our freedom and our lack of Islam clearly" Go take an international relations course. Osama wasn't an idiot. He did the things he did for a reason, and his gang gladly followed because the USA constantly intervened in the Middle East against the Soviets.


Yeah, we so totally should have let the commies roll into every nation they wished.
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Postby The balkens » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:17 am

Divair wrote:
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Osama wanted to mess with the USA. Pissing off the big kid on the block really. I'm sure it was more than just our reaction though. They were anti-americans.

Clearly they just got bored and were like "hey, let's go bomb the USA FOR THE LOLS"


The first time was funny, the 2nd time was even more fucking hilarious *nods*

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Postby The Godly Nations » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:18 am

Benuty wrote:
The Godly Nations wrote:
That'll be extending our army, and we need them here to patrol our streets.


I smell treason and it taste of putridness.


Like the Terrorist without, the traitors within hate us for our freedom.

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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:18 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Divair wrote:Holy shit, you're just like the GOP. "hurr durr, they hate our freedom and our lack of Islam clearly" Go take an international relations course. Osama wasn't an idiot. He did the things he did for a reason, and his gang gladly followed because the USA constantly intervened in the Middle East against the Soviets.


Yeah, we so totally should have let the commies roll into every nation they wished.

Given that the US intervention caused more nations to side with the USSR, fucking right you should've. Maybe if the USA hadn't backed Israel as a result of the Soviets backing Arabic states, my life wouldn't be so shit.

Thanks USA. Thanks a lot.

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Postby Benuty » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:19 am

The Godly Nations wrote:
Benuty wrote:
I smell treason and it taste of putridness.


Like the Terrorist without, the traitors within hate us for our freedom.


Tell me that when America's cities become wracked with bombings of all sorts, machine gun fire is common, and thousands are dead or dying.
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Postby The Godly Nations » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:20 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Divair wrote:Holy shit, you're just like the GOP. "hurr durr, they hate our freedom and our lack of Islam clearly" Go take an international relations course. Osama wasn't an idiot. He did the things he did for a reason, and his gang gladly followed because the USA constantly intervened in the Middle East against the Soviets.


Yeah, we so totally should have let the commies roll into every nation they wished.


We need to get rid of the Commies here first. I think we should follow those sensible people back in the '30s and get ourselves stylish military uniforms to do it.

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:20 am

Divair wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Yeah, we so totally should have let the commies roll into every nation they wished.

Given that the US intervention caused more nations to side with the USSR, fucking right you should've. Maybe if the USA hadn't backed Israel as a result of the Soviets backing Arabic states, my life wouldn't be so shit.

Thanks USA. Thanks a lot.


Meh, I agree with you on that much. I personally would've picked the Arabs over the Jews.
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Postby Hollorous » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:21 am

Divair wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Yeah, we so totally should have let the commies roll into every nation they wished.

Given that the US intervention caused more nations to side with the USSR, fucking right you should've. Maybe if the USA hadn't backed Israel as a result of the Soviets backing Arabic states, my life wouldn't be so shit.

Thanks USA. Thanks a lot.


Hmm? Didn't that invasion make the USSR an international pariah? IIRC, lots of nations boycotted the olympics in Moscow that year.

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Postby Divair » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:21 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Divair wrote:Given that the US intervention caused more nations to side with the USSR, fucking right you should've. Maybe if the USA hadn't backed Israel as a result of the Soviets backing Arabic states, my life wouldn't be so shit.

Thanks USA. Thanks a lot.


Meh, I agree with you on that much. I personally would've picked the Arabs over the Jews.

Shouldn't have picked either, for fuck's sake. Stay on your side of the Atlantic. US intervention fucks over everybody, US included.

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