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Postby Liberated Counties » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:08 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:
Geilinor wrote:I see number 18 still has a ridiculous name.

I motion to change it to the Common Sense Economics Act.


I second this motion.
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:20 pm

Liberated Counties wrote:
Wolfmanne wrote:I motion to change it to the Common Sense Economics Act.


I second this motion.

I move to request a ruling on the legality of changing the name of a bill.
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Postby Free South Califas » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:23 pm

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Postby Gothmogs » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:27 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Ainin wrote:I move to request a ruling on the legality of changing the name of a bill.

I second this.

I third this.
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Postby Phocidaea » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:58 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Phocidaea wrote:Ooh, my first vote.

Transportation Ministry Provision Act 2013: Aye
National Census Bureau Establishment Act: Aye
Commerce Ministry Act: Aye
Act to Establish a Judiciary System: Abstain


Alas, it is not your first vote, as voting has already ended.


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Postby Venaleria » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:20 pm

Gothmogs wrote:
Free South Califas wrote:
I second this.

I third this.


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Postby Welsh Cowboy » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:24 pm

Venaleria wrote:
Gothmogs wrote:I third this.


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Postby Free South Califas » Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:20 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:Fixed Lies below

[box]CURRENT QUEUE FOR LEGISLATION

18. Voting bosses out is undemocratic
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All motions require admin approval. Motions 5 and 7 conflict due to railways act.

By what means was the name of 18 changed to "Voting bosses out is undemocratic"? Really hope no one has plans of slipping that in later.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:23 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Geilinor wrote:I see number 18 still has a ridiculous name.

Couldn't agree with you more, but it's the particular slander that was voted into the queue. Perhaps you're right that further action of some kind is necessary, though.

Ainin wrote:I move to request a ruling on the legality of changing the name of a bill.

I second this.

It would just be like an amendment, wouldn't it?
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:27 pm

Free South Califas wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Fixed Lies below

[box]CURRENT QUEUE FOR LEGISLATION

18. Voting bosses out is undemocratic
[/spoiler]
All motions require admin approval. Motions 5 and 7 conflict due to railways act.

By what means was the name of 18 changed to "Voting bosses out is undemocratic"? Really hope no one has plans of slipping that in later.

By fixed i meant "this is improved over my previous version", which i deleted because all the numbers were off. The name was coppied off a previous post

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Postby Free South Califas » Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:42 pm

Thanks for clarifying, Senator. I am greatly relieved that I can once again decrease my dosage ;)
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:44 pm

Note to self:

The Death with Dignity Act was left out of the queue and follows the First Amendment to the Republican Executive Act.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:47 pm

Ainin wrote:Note to self:

The Death with Dignity Act was left out of the queue and follows the First Amendment to the Republican Executive Act.

Um... Really? I never saw that one...
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:48 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Ainin wrote:Note to self:

The Death with Dignity Act was left out of the queue and follows the First Amendment to the Republican Executive Act.

Um... Really? I never saw that one...

viewtopic.php?f=25&t=239510&p=14913053&hilit=death#p14913053
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:52 pm

Last edited by Byzantium Imperial on Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:54 pm, edited 2 times in total.
New Pyrrhius wrote:Byzantium, eat a Snickers. You become an imperialistic psychopathic dictatorship when you're hungry.

The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:55 pm

Fixed. Though you could easily have done that by yourself :p
New Pyrrhius wrote:Byzantium, eat a Snickers. You become an imperialistic psychopathic dictatorship when you're hungry.

The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Postby Ainin » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:56 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:Fixed. Though you could easily have done that by yourself :p

My phone hates spacebars, apparently.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:57 pm

Transportation Ministry: AYE
National Census act: NAY
Commerce ministry act: ABSTAIN
National Judiciary act: NAY
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:57 pm

Ainin wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Fixed. Though you could easily have done that by yourself :p

My phone hates spacebars, apparently.

Understandabl. Im on a phone now
(I had to zoom in maximum to change the numbers)
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The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
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I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Postby Welsh Cowboy » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:57 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:Transportation Ministry: AYE
National Census act: NAY
Commerce ministry act: ABSTAIN
National Judiciary act: NAY

I believe you're a bit late, Senator.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:10 pm

Well onto the agriculture bill. I must say i am impressed with the quality. I have a problem though with government appropriation of land in times of crisis. While i will gladly give my vineyards (which grow grapes, a food, qualifying it as a farm. Forgetting the extra farm definitions included which cover my massive estate completly) to the government in a time of trouble, im worried a future government may use this to try to exploit the farmers of the country in the name of collectivization.
New Pyrrhius wrote:Byzantium, eat a Snickers. You become an imperialistic psychopathic dictatorship when you're hungry.

The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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Postby Finium » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:24 pm

Byzantium Imperial wrote:Well onto the agriculture bill. I must say i am impressed with the quality. I have a problem though with government appropriation of land in times of crisis. While i will gladly give my vineyards (which grow grapes, a food, qualifying it as a farm. Forgetting the extra farm definitions included which cover my massive estate completly) to the government in a time of trouble, im worried a future government may use this to try to exploit the farmers of the country in the name of collectivization.

While I agree that some future government might abuse their powers, they are just as likely to make up their abusive laws as misuse our own; betting on the government collapsing isn't a good way to legislate. What this act clearly does is affirm the right to own land, something essential to both the agricultural world, and the capitalist viewpoint. This bill balances the needs of the worker with the rights of property, something I think should be encouraged and passed.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:26 pm

Finium wrote:
Byzantium Imperial wrote:Well onto the agriculture bill. I must say i am impressed with the quality. I have a problem though with government appropriation of land in times of crisis. While i will gladly give my vineyards (which grow grapes, a food, qualifying it as a farm. Forgetting the extra farm definitions included which cover my massive estate completly) to the government in a time of trouble, im worried a future government may use this to try to exploit the farmers of the country in the name of collectivization.

While I agree that some future government might abuse their powers, they are just as likely to make up their abusive laws as misuse our own; betting on the government collapsing isn't a good way to legislate. What this act clearly does is affirm the right to own land, something essential to both the agricultural world, and the capitalist viewpoint. This bill balances the needs of the worker with the rights of property, something I think should be encouraged and passed.

As can be seen in a different thread, i completly agree this bill needs to pass. Solidifying right to land ownership (and controlling and hunting on your own land) is very important
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The Grumpy Cat wrote:Their very existence... makes me sick.
After a short 600 year rest, the Empire is back, and is better then ever! After our grueling experience since 1453, no longer will our great empire be suppressed. The Ottomans may be gone, but the war continues!
I support Thermonuclear Warfare. Do you?
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