Hitler as a caricature of evil

[Uieurnthlaal]

6 BILLION??? Holy exaggeration Batman.

Yep, for once in my life, I'll have to side with the evil revisionists and downplay the numbers

There wasn't even 6 billion people on earth total back then.

[Endoria22]

Really NS? 14 pages and no "Obama is worse than Hitler"...dang...

And Hitler, yes he was that bad...and he's still more or less in recent memory and is often used in media so the newer generations know who he was...for the time being he will remain #1 evil man...

Obama is Hitler. See what you made me do?

[Densaner]

[...] Germans voted for him. [...]

Although, and this is important, the Nazis never won an outright majority of the vote in free and fair elections.

It was just that enough Germans voted for him.

Yeah and they continued to support him in large numbers. This was after he was in power and started a war. They only turned against him when the war turned to shit.

[Souseiseki]

you'll be very very surprised to learn that hitler, ww2 in germany and the holocaust are actually all very intertwined. i know this must be very shocking knowledge for you but please try and keep your posts under control. did you perhaps forget what you were actually talking about?

I didn't forget, all my posts are actually making up a bigger point that I'm passing to you. Do you have trouble with keeping up?
Or are you simply confused that your "6 trillion jews" trump cared didn't work this time?

alright, please tell more about how germany should fix its anus. help me out here.

yes, you love saying 6 billion tatrillion jews. i get it. wasnt just jews though. :-)

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Oh, whatever. Have fun with your circlejerk.

*makes stupid points*

*stupid points are easily rebutted*

*FINE THEN FKIN LIBERALS ENJOY CIRCLEJERKIN*

[The Tectonic Plates]

Hitler was not a caricature and should not be seen as one. He was a vile and racist thug. The Id made flesh. A mass murderer and warmonger par excellence. For all that he was just a man. A man who tapped into the basic flaws in the German character in the early 20th Century.

Germans voted for him. They supported him. They reaped the benefits in the early years of the war. They also fought for him. Killed for him and herded people into the gas chambers for him. This is not just about Hitler or indeed Germany. The Milgram experiment aptly demonstrated that ordinary people who are neither Nazis nor Germans are willing to undertake vile acts in the name of authority. Hitler exploited this but he is not the first or last political leader to do so.

Hitler was not elected, the NSDAP did not have a majority, von Hindenburg was convinced by wealthy and influential Germans to form a coalition with the NSDAP ( Hindenburg headed the DNVP), and that was how Hitler got the Chancellorship. The NSDAP never got the needed majority and Hindenburg is thought to have done this all reluctantly.

[Ksclve]

"Good" or "Evil" only applies to fiction novels, not real life.

Real life claims otherwise.

[Lemanrussland]

Oh, whatever. Have fun with your circlejerk.

"People think a genocidal, war mongering tyrant isn't a nice guy, enjoy your circlejerk!"

Cry harder.

[The Tectonic Plates]

Oh, whatever. Have fun with your circlejerk.

Just because the opposition to your stupidity is common knowledge, doesn't mean this is a circlejerk.

[Risottia]

Yep, for once in my life, I'll have to side with the evil revisionists and downplay the numbers

There wasn't even 6 billion people on earth total back then.

Nazi lies.

[Densaner]

Hitler was not a caricature and should not be seen as one. He was a vile and racist thug. The Id made flesh. A mass murderer and warmonger par excellence. For all that he was just a man. A man who tapped into the basic flaws in the German character in the early 20th Century.

Germans voted for him. They supported him. They reaped the benefits in the early years of the war. They also fought for him. Killed for him and herded people into the gas chambers for him. This is not just about Hitler or indeed Germany. The Milgram experiment aptly demonstrated that ordinary people who are neither Nazis nor Germans are willing to undertake vile acts in the name of authority. Hitler exploited this but he is not the first or last political leader to do so.

Hitler was not elected, the NSDAP did not have a majority, von Hindenburg was convinced by wealthy and influential Germans to form a coalition with the NSDAP ( Hindenburg headed the DNVP), and that was how Hitler got the Chancellorship. The NSDAP never got the needed majority and Hindenburg is thought to have done this all reluctantly.

The NSDAP government in the Weimar Republic didn't have a majority. But several other governments during that period didn't either. Hindenburg was reluctant to appoint Hitler as Chancellor. But political lobbying and the horrendous miscalculation by Von Papen and others sowed the seeds of Germany's destruction.

[The Tectonic Plates]

Although, and this is important, the Nazis never won an outright majority of the vote in free and fair elections.

It was just that enough Germans voted for him.

Yeah and they continued to support him in large numbers. This was after he was in power and started a war. They only turned against him when the war turned to shit.

Warning: Bad Analogy

People didn't like what Bush was doing with Iraq, yet they continued to support him, it's all matters of authority and such. People did rise up against him, and even tried to kill him, but the majority respected Authority.

Honestly though, the Military Industrial Complex the Nazis had, it worked at first and life was good for the Germans, but then war came to their doorsteps, and over course that's when people complain.

[The Tectonic Plates]

Hitler was not elected, the NSDAP did not have a majority, von Hindenburg was convinced by wealthy and influential Germans to form a coalition with the NSDAP ( Hindenburg headed the DNVP), and that was how Hitler got the Chancellorship. The NSDAP never got the needed majority and Hindenburg is thought to have done this all reluctantly.

The NSDAP government in the Weimar Republic didn't have a majority. But several other governments during that period didn't either. Hindenburg was reluctant to appoint Hitler as Chancellor. But political lobbying and the horrendous miscalculation by Von Papen and others sowed the seeds of Germany's destruction.

After they pretty much got rid of everyone else, they attained a majority of course.

[Greater New York]

What do you think of when you hear the name "Hitler"? Genocide, death, destruction, evil? Hitler is often seen as a personification of evil itself: Hitler is considered to be so evil that names like Adolf and Adolph, previously very common are now next to non-existant because they are associated with Hitler. Hitler is used as an insult, Hitler symbolises evil, Hitler is an caricature of evil.

But do you think that this is ever going to stop? Is Hitler ever going to become a neutral figure? There have been dozens of people in history who have been as evil as Hitler, but nobody really cares about them anymore. Why? Because people who were alive at the time are now dead.

That's why I believe that Hitler will be regarded as a neutral figure in the future, but not until all people who lived through WWII and the Cold War are dead. We can see people like Attila the Hun and Vlad the Impaler objectively because the things that they did took place such a long time ago. I think this is the case with Hitler as well.

So, opinions?

I would agree with you, but Hitler was the first major tyrant with so many of his crimes documented through not only story telling, but captured in photographs and film. While I think that he'll eventually be overshadowed and his crimes watered down, the fact that so many aspects of our modern culture through films, literature, and video games rightfully villainize the Nazis, that he will never become a neutral historical figure. The reason why figures like Genghis Khan and Attila the Hun are watered down and considered neutral is because their crimes weren't documented on television and most stories are only spread through word of mouth or in a few specialized classes.

So, I think his crimes will certainly be watered down as a lot of people lose their personal connections to World War II, but the fact that there is so much evidence of his crimes like photos and film, that he will never be known as 'neutral'.

[Densaner]

Yeah and they continued to support him in large numbers. This was after he was in power and started a war. They only turned against him when the war turned to shit.

Warning: Bad Analogy

People didn't like what Bush was doing with Iraq, yet they continued to support him, it's all matters of authority and such. People did rise up against him, and even tried to kill him, but the majority respected Authority.

Honestly though, the Military Industrial Complex the Nazis had, it worked at first and life was good for the Germans, but then war came to their doorsteps, and over course that's when people complain.

People didn't rise up against him. Only one ordinary guy had a serious try at killing Hitler. The officers who tried in 1944 were always in a tiny minority.

[Uieurnthlaal]

"Good" or "Evil" only applies to fiction novels, not real life.

Real life claims otherwise.

Real life objects to be portrayed in black and white.

[The Tectonic Plates]

Warning: Bad Analogy

People didn't like what Bush was doing with Iraq, yet they continued to support him, it's all matters of authority and such. People did rise up against him, and even tried to kill him, but the majority respected Authority.

Honestly though, the Military Industrial Complex the Nazis had, it worked at first and life was good for the Germans, but then war came to their doorsteps, and over course that's when people complain.

People didn't rise up against him. Only one ordinary guy had a serious try at killing Hitler. The officers who tried in 1944 were always in a tiny minority.

It was still an attempt, and if people were to go to the extent to the kill him, their had to be at least a lot of people who disliked him, however they respected authority and stayed down.

[Densaner]

People didn't rise up against him. Only one ordinary guy had a serious try at killing Hitler. The officers who tried in 1944 were always in a tiny minority.

It was still an attempt, and if people were to go to the extent to the kill him, their had to be at least a lot of people who disliked him, however they respected authority and stayed down.

A lot of people hated Hitler. A lot didn't. The Germans who were Communists or Social Democrats were still in Germany during the Third Reich. Only one tried to kill him.

[The Tectonic Plates]

It was still an attempt, and if people were to go to the extent to the kill him, their had to be at least a lot of people who disliked him, however they respected authority and stayed down.

A lot of people hated Hitler. A lot didn't. The Germans who were Communists or Social Democrats were still in Germany during the Third Reich. Only one tried to kill him.

Nothing I can do about that. Some Germans supported him, some didn't. Glad we agree.

[Hathradic States]

For the foreseeable future, Adolf Hitler will be considered the personification of evil by most. In 1000 years? Probably not so much.

[Herador]

For the foreseeable future, Adolf Hitler will be considered the personification of evil by most. In 1000 years? Probably not so much.

Considering how many TV shows, movies, books, play's, and video games have been made about that period in time (with many still being made even now), I think a general dislike of the Axis powers (as they existed at the time), and the Third Reich specifically will be with the world for quite some time.

[Hathradic States]

For the foreseeable future, Adolf Hitler will be considered the personification of evil by most. In 1000 years? Probably not so much.

Considering how many TV shows, movies, books, play's, and video games have been made about that period in time (with many still being made even now), I think a general dislike of the Axis powers (as they existed at the time), and the Third Reich specifically will be with the world for quite some time.

You assume those things will still be around in a thousand years, or taken seriously. Remember, we had plenty of similar crap about all of the other Bad People^TM in history during their time. It all fades away.

[Risottia]

Honestly though, the Military Industrial Complex the Nazis had, it worked at first and life was good for the Germans,

Unless they showed less-than-enthusiastic support for the Austrian moustachio, that is.
And unless they belonged to "undesirable" categories, like non-SS-homosexuals, Aryans with disabilities, etc.

[The Tectonic Plates]

Honestly though, the Military Industrial Complex the Nazis had, it worked at first and life was good for the Germans,

Unless they showed less-than-enthusiastic support for the Austrian moustachio, that is.
And unless they belonged to "undesirable" categories, like non-SS-homosexuals, Aryans with disabilities, etc.

Of course, that's common knowledge, Hitler fucked over minorities and the disabled.

[The United Soviet Socialist Republic]

Hitler will be thought of as evil until the next genocidal warmonger comes around.