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Should transgendered people be allowed to use the bathrooms of the opposite sex?

No
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Yes (Please explain)
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Transgender bathroom rules

Postby Salentopia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:55 pm

So bathrooms in most public places are segregated by sex (male and female) for both practical purposes and to hinder perverts. But a question popped into my mind. Should someone who is biologically male be allowed to use the women's restroom if he was transgendered and vice versa? My answer to that is a simple no because it be impractical since women can't use urinals and would hog the stalls in men's bathrooms and males would make a mess accidentally peeing on all the toilets in a women's bathroom. Not only that, allowing transgendered people to use bathrooms meant for the opposite sex would be every pervert's sick dream come true since that would mean that a male pervert can pretend to be transgendered and use that excuse to use a women's restroom to peep and who knows what to fulfill his sick fantasies. The same can happen the other way around. So what do you think?

Note: The poll is only referring to transgendered people who haven't had a sex change.

Note 2: People, read the entire OP and remember the difference between sex and gender!
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Postby Saint Jade IV » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:56 pm

If a person is transgendered, then they should use the bathroom of the gender that they identify with.

You really need to understand what being transgendered means.
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Postby Vareiln » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:57 pm

Transphobic OP be hatin'.
Basically, what Saint Jade said.
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Postby Salentopia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:57 pm

Saint Jade IV wrote:If a person is transgendered, then they should use the bathroom of the gender that they identify with.

You really need to understand what being transgendered means.


Public bathrooms are generally segregated by sex, not gender. Learn the difference.

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Postby Salentopia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:59 pm

Vareiln wrote:Transphobic OP be hatin'.
Basically, what Saint Jade said.


I have no problem with transgendered people. Where did I say I hate them? hmmm? I just think that people should only the public bathroom which was meant for their SEX not gender.

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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:01 pm

Salentopia wrote:
Saint Jade IV wrote:If a person is transgendered, then they should use the bathroom of the gender that they identify with.

You really need to understand what being transgendered means.


Public bathrooms are generally segregated by sex, not gender. Learn the difference.

I'm pretty sure we identify who belongs in what bathroom by their gender, unless where you live people tend to examine each others genitalia before using the restroom.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:02 pm

They should use the bathroom of the gender they identify with. If I were a ftm trans man, I would not feel comfortable using the woman's bathroom not only because I would NOT be a woman, but because I would feel safer in the men's room.

But then again, I support unisex bathrooms so in my ideal world it wouldn't be an issue.
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Postby Brocwika » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:02 pm

Saint Jade IV wrote:If a person is transgendered, then they should use the bathroom of the gender that they identify with.

You really need to understand what being transgendered means.


So a pre-op transgender man who identifies as a woman should be allowed to use a female restroom?

I'm sure the ladies who run out of the bathroom after seeing a man inside would understand.
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Postby Meryuma » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:02 pm

An FTM person should use a men's bathroom, an MTF person should use a woman's bathroom. A genderqueer person can go wherever I guess.

Salentopia wrote: allowing transgendered people to use bathrooms meant for the opposite sex would be every pervert's sick dream come true since that would mean that a male pervert can pretend to be transgendered and use that excuse to use a women's restroom to peep and who knows what to fulfill his sick fantasies. The same can happen the other way around.


By the same token you could say that sex-segregated bathrooms should be ended to stop gay perverts.
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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:05 pm

Brocwika wrote:
Saint Jade IV wrote:If a person is transgendered, then they should use the bathroom of the gender that they identify with.

You really need to understand what being transgendered means.


So a pre-op transgender man who identifies as a woman should be allowed to use a female restroom?

I'm sure the ladies who run out of the bathroom after seeing a man inside would understand.

I wouldn't run out. And a lot, probably the majority, of trans* people who are comfortable enough to use the restroom of the gender they identify with have already progressed to the stage of dressing like their gender and not their sex. My former girlfriend, a mtf trans woman, used the women's restroom and never had any problems.
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Postby Saint Jade IV » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:05 pm

Salentopia wrote:
Saint Jade IV wrote:If a person is transgendered, then they should use the bathroom of the gender that they identify with.

You really need to understand what being transgendered means.


Public bathrooms are generally segregated by sex, not gender. Learn the difference.


I understand the difference perfectly well. It is dangerous for a transgendered person to use the bathroom of their biological sex.

Public bathrooms aren't even segregated by law in most instances. Parents take their children into the "wrong" bathroom all the time.
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Postby Olthar » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:07 pm

Trans* individuals should use whichever bathroom they are most comfortable with.
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:09 pm

I've been in coed bathrooms.

There really weren't any problems.

I don't imagine this would be a real problem either.
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Postby Great Empire of Gamilus » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:09 pm

Salentopia wrote:
Saint Jade IV wrote:If a person is transgendered, then they should use the bathroom of the gender that they identify with.

You really need to understand what being transgendered means.


Public bathrooms are generally segregated by sex, not gender. Learn the difference.


Gender is Sex... its just that people who wish to be of the other should get surgery to gain the bits of the other.... though traps should be allowed to go anywhere... traps are best.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:11 pm

"Should transgendered people be allowed to use the bathrooms of the opposite sex?"

This is one of the most confusing questions I have ever read.
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Postby Salentopia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:11 pm

Meryuma wrote:An FTM person should use a men's bathroom, an MTF person should use a woman's bathroom. A genderqueer person can go wherever I guess.

Salentopia wrote: allowing transgendered people to use bathrooms meant for the opposite sex would be every pervert's sick dream come true since that would mean that a male pervert can pretend to be transgendered and use that excuse to use a women's restroom to peep and who knows what to fulfill his sick fantasies. The same can happen the other way around.


By the same token you could say that sex-segregated bathrooms should be ended to stop gay perverts.


Not practical.

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:12 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:"Should transgendered people be allowed to use the bathrooms of the opposite sex?"

This is one of the most confusing questions I have ever read.

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Postby Torcularis Septentrionalis » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:14 pm

Great Empire of Gamilus wrote:
Salentopia wrote:
Public bathrooms are generally segregated by sex, not gender. Learn the difference.


Gender is Sex... its just that people who wish to be of the other should get surgery to gain the bits of the other.... though traps should be allowed to go anywhere... traps are best.

No, gender is not sex. Try again.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:"Should transgendered people be allowed to use the bathrooms of the opposite sex?"

This is one of the most confusing questions I have ever read.

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I mean, what is that, an oppositical-double-negative-with a twist? Good Lord.
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Postby New Sapienta » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:16 pm

Too be honest I am kind of in support of co-ed bathrooms.

I mean, I doubt the current system prevents that many perverts, and due to increased foot traffic, nasty stuff is less likely to happen.

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Postby Planeia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:17 pm

I say it should only be for post-op transgenders, as the OP is right, any pervert could pretend to be transgender just to get a peep show, but most likely they would not go to the extent of getting an operation to see that show.
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Postby Salentopia » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:19 pm

Planeia wrote:I say it should only be for post-op transgenders, as the OP is right, any pervert could pretend to be transgender just to get a peep show, but most likely they would not go to the extent of getting an operation to see that show.


My view exactly.

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Postby Saint Jade IV » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:19 pm

Brocwika wrote:
Saint Jade IV wrote:If a person is transgendered, then they should use the bathroom of the gender that they identify with.

You really need to understand what being transgendered means.


So a pre-op transgender man who identifies as a woman should be allowed to use a female restroom?

I'm sure the ladies who run out of the bathroom after seeing a man inside would understand.


Unless they're into peeking under doors and examining genitalia of random strangers, then they wouldn't fucking know. And if they were, they're committing a crime.
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Postby Page » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:20 pm

Salentopia wrote:So bathrooms in most public places are segregated by sex (male and female) for both practical purposes and to hinder perverts. But a question popped into my mind. Should someone who is biologically male be allowed to use the women's restroom if he was transgendered and vice versa? My answer to that is a simple no because it be impractical since women can't use urinals and would hog the stalls in men's bathrooms and males would make a mess accidentally peeing on all the toilets in a women's bathroom. Not only that, allowing transgendered people to use bathrooms meant for the opposite sex would be every pervert's sick dream come true since that would mean that a male pervert can pretend to be transgendered and use that excuse to use a women's restroom to peep and who knows what to fulfill his sick fantasies. The same can happen the other way around. So what do you think?

Note: The poll is only referring to transgendered people who haven't had a sex change.

Note 2: People, read the entire OP and remember the difference between sex and gender!


Okay, first of all, the word "transgendered" is not often seen as correct grammar. Transgender is the correct and widely accepted word. It's not a matter of past tense or something that was done to a person, it describes their identity.

Second, trans* people do not have to undergo sexual reassignment surgery to validate their gender identity. A transwoman with a vagina is a woman. A transwoman with a penis is a woman; the same applies to transmen.

Most importantly, the idea that there is an epidemic of transwomen who are actually male predators seeking voyeuristic thrills or to sexually assault (cisgender) women is an incredibly vile piece of bigoted propaganda. Circulating misconceptions like that can get people killed - transgender people, especially transwomen, are some of the most likely target for some of the most violent hate crimes.

I realize you probably didn't intend your post to be offensive but it is extremely offensive. Please reconsider some of your views.
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Postby Ensiferum » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:21 pm

If it wasn't for the threat of rape I don't see the need for separate bathrooms to begin with. If society would become civilized and realize that rape is wrong we could get rid of the whole separate bathroom thing to begin with.

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