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Yankee Empire
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Postby Yankee Empire » Fri May 31, 2013 2:12 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Yankee Empire wrote:
So are you coming from the argument that you oppose the death penalty because it doesn't make the criminals suffer enough?

Rather than the "ZOMG what if they innocent!"?

Mostly, yes. I see death penalty as an easy way out. Plus there is always chance that the convicted could be innocent, no matter how small.

*Wonders where the part of my statement is that questions your alternatives apparent pitfalls.*
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Britcan
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Postby Britcan » Fri May 31, 2013 2:13 am

CTALNH wrote:
Britcan wrote:You gave me a definition of neo-colonialism and then said that Britain will control us.

You have yet to explain how the Commonwealth is a neo-colonialist empire considering it is not political or economic in it's nature but cultural.

Neo colonialism works through politics,economy or culture.

So any nation that is a a union to promote a shared culture is neocolonialist?

If that's what neocolonialism is it doesn't sound bad at all. :)

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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Fri May 31, 2013 2:15 am

Britcan wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Neo colonialism works through politics,economy or culture.

So any nation that is a a union to promote a shared culture is neocolonialist?

If that's what neocolonialism is it doesn't sound bad at all. :)

Well then good for you.

I on the other hand do not like it.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Britcan
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Postby Britcan » Fri May 31, 2013 2:16 am

CTALNH wrote:
Britcan wrote:So any nation that is a a union to promote a shared culture is neocolonialist?

If that's what neocolonialism is it doesn't sound bad at all. :)

Well then good for you.

I on the other hand do not like it.

You don't like nations promoting a shared culture? What is wrong with that?

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Postby CTALNH » Fri May 31, 2013 2:17 am

Britcan wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Well then good for you.

I on the other hand do not like it.

You don't like nations promoting a shared culture? What is wrong with that?

Other nations adopt the shared culture and destroy theirs.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Yankee Empire » Fri May 31, 2013 2:17 am

CTALNH wrote:
Britcan wrote:You don't like nations promoting a shared culture? What is wrong with that?

Other nations adopt the shared culture and destroy dilute theirs.


I guess it's a matter of perspective whether a chage is just a change, or if any change is a destruction of the old.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri May 31, 2013 2:19 am

CTALNH wrote:
Britcan wrote:You don't like nations promoting a shared culture? What is wrong with that?

Other nations adopt the shared culture and destroy theirs.

Pretty sure that after 500 years of British rule, our culture has probably already been influenced by theirs.
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Postby CTALNH » Fri May 31, 2013 2:21 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Other nations adopt the shared culture and destroy theirs.

Pretty sure that after 500 years of British rule, our culture has probably already been influenced by theirs.

And what do you think I have been arguing about.

Oust the Brits of our freaking country!And let us return to our Germanic roots.

While we are it lets take over the British occupied zones!
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Fri May 31, 2013 2:27 am

CTALNH wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Pretty sure that after 500 years of British rule, our culture has probably already been influenced by theirs.

And what do you think I have been arguing about.

Oust the Brits of our freaking country!And let us return to our Germanic roots.

While we are it lets take over the British occupied zones!

What British occupied zones? And I don't see you speaking Aurentinian.
"Classicist in literature, royalist in politics, and Anglo-Catholic in religion" (T.S. Eliot).
"Be just, and fear not.
Let all the ends thou aim'st at be thy country's,
Thy God's and truth's."
- 'Henry VIII' (1613) act 3, sc. 2, l. 441, William Shakespeare
⚜ GOD SAVE THE KING

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Postby CTALNH » Fri May 31, 2013 2:29 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:And what do you think I have been arguing about.

Oust the Brits of our freaking country!And let us return to our Germanic roots.

While we are it lets take over the British occupied zones!

What British occupied zones? And I don't see you speaking Aurentinian.

:clap: You caught me there.

Now haven't you heard the new unofficial map has British occupied zones.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
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Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
"Epicus Doomicus Metallicus"
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Postby The IASM » Fri May 31, 2013 2:32 am

I say against restricting capital punishment.
HUN-01

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Postby Vedastia » Fri May 31, 2013 2:42 am

The IASM wrote:I say against restricting capital punishment.

It was placed back in debate.
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Postby The IASM » Fri May 31, 2013 2:51 am

Vedastia wrote:
The IASM wrote:I say against restricting capital punishment.

It was placed back in debate.

Sorry.
HUN-01

20:22 Kirav Normal in Akai is nightmare fuel in the rest of the world.
11:33 Jedoria Something convoluted is going on in Akai probably.
Transoxthraxia: I'm no hentai connoisseur, but I'm pretty sure Akai's domestic politics would be like, at least top ten most fucked up hentais"
18:26 Deusaeuri Let me put it this way, you're what would happen if Lovecraft decided to write political dystopian techno thriller
20:19 Heku tits has gone mental
20:19 Jakee >gone
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Postby Britcan » Fri May 31, 2013 3:16 am

Updated list of sponsors.
Membership of the Commonwealth of Nations Act
Urgency: Low


Drafted by: Britcan [NSP]
Sponsored by: Wolfmanne [PC], Unicario, Mishmahig [TR], Polvia [RG], Divar [IND], Jetan [NCP], Agritum [TR], Grenartia [TR], The Realm of God [PC], Bleckonia [NCP], German-Spanish Empire [IND], Belmaria [LFP], Geilinor [LD], Acro [LD], Old Tyrannia [CMP], Fulflood [LD], Brittanno [PC]

RECOGNISING our close historical association with the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and several of its predecessors as well as other members of the Commonwealth of Nations.

BELIEVING that now that we are a fully independent nation we should continue these ties with the members of the Commonwealth of Nations.

AFFIRMING that this nation accepts and complies with the principles of the Harare Declaration.

HEREBY recognises the monarch of the Commonwealth realms as the Head of the Commonwealth and accepts the English language as the medium of inter-Commonwealth communication as well as all other Commonwealth norms and conventions.

ORDERS the government of this nation to actively seek membership of the Commonwealth of Nations and to apply for membership at the earliest reasonable opportunity.
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Postby Fulflood » Fri May 31, 2013 4:05 am

Britcan wrote:Updated list of sponsors.
Membership of the Commonwealth of Nations Act
Urgency: Low


Drafted by: Britcan [NSP]
Sponsored by: Wolfmanne [PC], Unicario, Mishmahig [TR], Polvia [RG], Divar [IND], Jetan [NCP], Agritum [TR], Grenartia [TR], The Realm of God [PC], Bleckonia [NCP], German-Spanish Empire [IND], Belmaria [LFP], Geilinor [LD], Acro [LD], Old Tyrannia [CMP]

RECOGNISING our close historical association with the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and it's several of it's predecessors as well as other members of the Commonwealth of Nations.

BELIEVING that now that we are a fully independent nation we should continue these ties with the members of the Commonwealth of Nations.

AFFIRMING that this nation accepts and complies with the principles of the Harare Declaration.

HEREBY recognises the monarch of the Commonwealth realms as the Head of the Commonwealth and accepts the English language as the medium of inter-Commonwealth communication as well as all other Commonwealth norms and conventions.

ORDERS the government of this nation to actively seek membership of the Commonwealth of Nations and to apply for membership at the earliest reasonable opportunity.

First it's isn't needed, second it's should be its.
Otherwise, add me as a sponsor if you feel like it (I don't mind if you don't).
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Postby Divair » Fri May 31, 2013 4:07 am

RCPA: Aye.

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Postby Agritum » Fri May 31, 2013 4:18 am

Divair wrote:RCPA: Aye.

We are debating.

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Postby Divair » Fri May 31, 2013 4:23 am

Agritum wrote:
Divair wrote:RCPA: Aye.

We are debating.

I skipped a few pages back and a vote was taking place already with over a dozen votes. Why was it removed?

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Postby Agritum » Fri May 31, 2013 4:26 am

Divair wrote:
Agritum wrote:We are debating.

I skipped a few pages back and a vote was taking place already with over a dozen votes. Why was it removed?

Debating was too short.

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Postby Great Nepal » Fri May 31, 2013 4:26 am

Divair wrote:
Agritum wrote:We are debating.

I skipped a few pages back and a vote was taking place already with over a dozen votes. Why was it removed?

Wait, what? Are we voting or not...
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Postby Divair » Fri May 31, 2013 4:28 am

Agritum wrote:
Divair wrote:I skipped a few pages back and a vote was taking place already with over a dozen votes. Why was it removed?

Debating was too short.

Ah, okay.

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Postby CTALNH » Fri May 31, 2013 4:30 am

Divair wrote:
Agritum wrote:Debating was too short.

Ah, okay.

By that debate was less than two posts
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri May 31, 2013 4:31 am

Agritum wrote:
Divair wrote:I skipped a few pages back and a vote was taking place already with over a dozen votes. Why was it removed?

Debating was too short.

Is there much debate to be had though? It is pretty clear cut issue, you either support capital punishment or you dont. There is going to be no one that is going to change anyone's mind on issue such as this.
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Postby Mishmahig » Fri May 31, 2013 4:41 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Agritum wrote:Debating was too short.

Is there much debate to be had though? It is pretty clear cut issue, you either support capital punishment or you dont. There is going to be no one that is going to change anyone's mind on issue such as this.


People already argued about this.

Anyway, I'll be back in a bit to look over some of the arguments presented so far.

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Postby Yankee Empire » Fri May 31, 2013 4:59 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Agritum wrote:Debating was too short.

Is there much debate to be had though? It is pretty clear cut issue, you either support capital punishment or you dont. There is going to be no one that is going to change anyone's mind on issue such as this.

I seriously disagree., Forgoing debate just to have people midlessly vote derp or dorp is exactly what I dislike about the democratic process.

But it's what we have so I advocate it be raised to a higher standard when I can.
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