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Postby Of the Quendi » Thu May 30, 2013 3:42 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:And telegram sent:

I noticed that in your (very well written) firearms act, the preamble declares that self-defense is THE most important right. I think that most senators would disagree with that, and that rephrasing it as A FUNDAMENTAL human right would win over the votes of some who would otherwise be on the fence.

This is just my suggestion, I hope you take it into consideration.

Fundamental human right is better than the most important right. Ideally however I think the bill will fare better with no mention of the right to self defense. I think that we need to accept that most senators probably favor severe weapons restrictions and in order to get the bill passed I think we will have to be very sneaky about what the bill actually intends. Since most senators will probably vote without reading the whole thing I think a preamble that says something like "we understand that lax gun laws allows for abuse and dangers and we take that very seriously, but ..." would be ideal in getting votes. But if that is a tad too covert then I naturally understand it.




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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 30, 2013 3:45 am

I also thought I'd pull this up again for any prospective candidates. Because we have everything from minarchists to centrist social liberals, I think it's a good idea to know exactly what we're voting for.

Your beliefs on:
Abortion:
Affirmative Action:
Authoritarianism:
Conscription:
Copyright law:
Corporate personhood:
Death penalty:
Democracy:
Drug legalization:
Economic ideology:
Euthanasia:
Evolution/Creationism:
Feminism:
Free speech:
Gay marriage:
Global warming:
Gun control:
Immigration (legal):
Immigration (illegal):
Imperialism/Militarism:
Internet censorship:
LGBTQ equal rights:
Police:
Pornography:
Prostitution:
Racism:
Redistribution of wealth:
Religion:
Separation of church and state:
Taxation:
Transhumanism:
Unions:
Universal health care:
Welfare:
Worker's rights:
Youth rights:
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Postby Of the Quendi » Thu May 30, 2013 3:50 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:I also thought I'd pull this up again for any prospective candidates. Because we have everything from minarchists to centrist social liberals, I think it's a good idea to know exactly what we're voting for.

Your beliefs on:
Abortion:
Affirmative Action:
Authoritarianism:
Conscription:
Copyright law:
Corporate personhood:
Death penalty:
Democracy:
Drug legalization:
Economic ideology:
Euthanasia:
Evolution/Creationism:
Feminism:
Free speech:
Gay marriage:
Global warming:
Gun control:
Immigration (legal):
Immigration (illegal):
Imperialism/Militarism:
Internet censorship:
LGBTQ equal rights:
Police:
Pornography:
Prostitution:
Racism:
Redistribution of wealth:
Religion:
Separation of church and state:
Taxation:
Transhumanism:
Unions:
Universal health care:
Welfare:
Worker's rights:
Youth rights:

That would probably be part of my plan, but lets just wait and see if there is even anyone actually running against you this time (I assume you are seeking re-election?)
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 30, 2013 3:52 am

Of the Quendi wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:I also thought I'd pull this up again for any prospective candidates. Because we have everything from minarchists to centrist social liberals, I think it's a good idea to know exactly what we're voting for.

Your beliefs on:
Abortion:
Affirmative Action:
Authoritarianism:
Conscription:
Copyright law:
Corporate personhood:
Death penalty:
Democracy:
Drug legalization:
Economic ideology:
Euthanasia:
Evolution/Creationism:
Feminism:
Free speech:
Gay marriage:
Global warming:
Gun control:
Immigration (legal):
Immigration (illegal):
Imperialism/Militarism:
Internet censorship:
LGBTQ equal rights:
Police:
Pornography:
Prostitution:
Racism:
Redistribution of wealth:
Religion:
Separation of church and state:
Taxation:
Transhumanism:
Unions:
Universal health care:
Welfare:
Worker's rights:
Youth rights:

That would probably be part of my plan, but lets just wait and see if there is even anyone actually running against you this time (I assume you are seeking re-election?)

I actually don't think I am. These next two months, I'm going to be without internet access for at least 3 whole weeks.
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Postby The Jahistic Unified Republic » Thu May 30, 2013 3:57 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:And telegram sent:

I noticed that in your (very well written) firearms act, the preamble declares that self-defense is THE most important right. I think that most senators would disagree with that, and that rephrasing it as A FUNDAMENTAL human right would win over the votes of some who would otherwise be on the fence.

This is just my suggestion, I hope you take it into consideration.

Changed accordingly.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 30, 2013 3:58 am

The Jahistic Unified Republic wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:And telegram sent:

I noticed that in your (very well written) firearms act, the preamble declares that self-defense is THE most important right. I think that most senators would disagree with that, and that rephrasing it as A FUNDAMENTAL human right would win over the votes of some who would otherwise be on the fence.

This is just my suggestion, I hope you take it into consideration.

Changed accordingly.

Thanks.
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Postby Of the Quendi » Thu May 30, 2013 4:00 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:That would probably be part of my plan, but lets just wait and see if there is even anyone actually running against you this time (I assume you are seeking re-election?)

I actually don't think I am. These next two months, I'm going to be without internet access for at least 3 whole weeks.

Oh ... Well that doesn't please me much. You would have definitely gotten my vote.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 30, 2013 4:03 am

Of the Quendi wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:I actually don't think I am. These next two months, I'm going to be without internet access for at least 3 whole weeks.

Oh ... Well that doesn't please me much. You would have definitely gotten my vote.

I've already made a short list of senators who I think would make good candidates. (you're one of them)
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Postby Of the Quendi » Thu May 30, 2013 4:15 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:Oh ... Well that doesn't please me much. You would have definitely gotten my vote.

I've already made a short list of senators who I think would make good candidates. (you're one of them)

Interesting, and thanks for the trust, I may just run if you aren't seeking reelection. Even so I shall be very sad to see you leave office.
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Postby Belmaria » Thu May 30, 2013 5:48 am

Of the Quendi wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:I've already made a short list of senators who I think would make good candidates. (you're one of them)

Interesting, and thanks for the trust, I may just run if you aren't seeking reelection. Even so I shall be very sad to see you leave office.

It will be a loss for all of us if Regnum leaves. I do, however, think that you would make a great candidate.
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Postby Yanalia » Thu May 30, 2013 6:34 am

Of the Quendi wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:And telegram sent:

I noticed that in your (very well written) firearms act, the preamble declares that self-defense is THE most important right. I think that most senators would disagree with that, and that rephrasing it as A FUNDAMENTAL human right would win over the votes of some who would otherwise be on the fence.

This is just my suggestion, I hope you take it into consideration.

Fundamental human right is better than the most important right. Ideally however I think the bill will fare better with no mention of the right to self defense. I think that we need to accept that most senators probably favor severe weapons restrictions and in order to get the bill passed I think we will have to be very sneaky about what the bill actually intends. Since most senators will probably vote without reading the whole thing I think a preamble that says something like "we understand that lax gun laws allows for abuse and dangers and we take that very seriously, but ..." would be ideal in getting votes. But if that is a tad too covert then I naturally understand it.


The BSA did actually establish the right to self defense in the nation.
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Postby Belmaria » Thu May 30, 2013 7:04 am

Yanalia wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:Fundamental human right is better than the most important right. Ideally however I think the bill will fare better with no mention of the right to self defense. I think that we need to accept that most senators probably favor severe weapons restrictions and in order to get the bill passed I think we will have to be very sneaky about what the bill actually intends. Since most senators will probably vote without reading the whole thing I think a preamble that says something like "we understand that lax gun laws allows for abuse and dangers and we take that very seriously, but ..." would be ideal in getting votes. But if that is a tad too covert then I naturally understand it.


The BSA did actually establish the right to self defense in the nation.

We're just discussing how best to word this bill. We want it to get passed, so we might have to appeal to the leftists.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu May 30, 2013 7:17 am

Decided to answer this in case so that you guys know what I believe in when we work together in a Coaliton.

Abortion: Moderate Pro-Life
Affirmative Action: Oppose
Authoritarianism: Oppose (too broad - do you consider support of a unitary state authoritarian?)
Conscription: Total war only
Copyright law: Support
Corporate personhood: Support
Death penalty: Oppose
Democracy: Support
Drug legalization: Neutral (reconsidering my stance on marijuana, which is currently support for legalisation)
Economic ideology: Neoliberalism
Euthanasia: Oppose
Evolution/Creationism: Theistic evolution
Feminism: Not the modern shite
Free speech: Support
Gay marriage: Support
Global warming: Believe
Gun control: Support
Immigration (legal): Support
Immigration (illegal): Oppose
Imperialism/Militarism: Oppose
Internet censorship: Oppose
LGBTQ equal rights: Support
Police: Gendarmerie + Civilian Police, Community Policing and Intelligence-based policing strategy
Pornography: MASSIVE SUPPORT :P
Prostitution: Regulated
Racism: Oppose
Redistribution of wealth: Anglo-Saxon Welfare State
Religion: Roman Catholic
Separation of church and state: Support
Taxation: Progressive
Transhumanism: Oppose
Unions: Oppose
Universal health care: Support
Welfare: Support
Worker's rights: Neutral
Youth rights: Neutral
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 30, 2013 8:02 am

I have sent this information to Vedastia and I will also post it here:

I have issued a single-line whip IN FAVOR of the Act banning capital punishment. That is, you are very strongly encouraged to vote for it, but you are not required.
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Postby Byzantium Imperial » Thu May 30, 2013 8:04 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:I have sent this information to Vedastia and I will also post it here:

I have issued a single-line whip IN FAVOR of the Act banning capital punishment. That is, you are very strongly encouraged to vote for it, but you are not required.

That hasnt come up for a vote yet, and wont untill tommorow (or later tonight, depending on your timezones.
Not countig debate period of coarse.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 30, 2013 8:04 am

Byzantium Imperial wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:I have sent this information to Vedastia and I will also post it here:

I have issued a single-line whip IN FAVOR of the Act banning capital punishment. That is, you are very strongly encouraged to vote for it, but you are not required.

That hasnt come up for a vote yet, and wont untill tommorow (or later tonight, depending on your timezones

I'm aware of that, I'm just posting it here early so people know.
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Postby Of the Quendi » Thu May 30, 2013 8:58 am

Belmaria wrote:
Of the Quendi wrote:Interesting, and thanks for the trust, I may just run if you aren't seeking reelection. Even so I shall be very sad to see you leave office.

It will be a loss for all of us if Regnum leaves. I do, however, think that you would make a great candidate.

Thank you.
Belmaria wrote:
Yanalia wrote:
The BSA did actually establish the right to self defense in the nation.

We're just discussing how best to word this bill. We want it to get passed, so we might have to appeal to the leftists.

To be honest I would settle for getting the approval of the moderates. The BSA is something that everyone who is just a tiny bit supportive of individual liberties can get behind, this SFA proposal will not enjoy that kind of support and therefore I merely suggest that its wording is kept as neutral as possible to avoid alienating anyone.
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Postby Belmaria » Thu May 30, 2013 11:25 am

Your beliefs on:
Abortion: Moderate Pro-life
Affirmative Action: Against completely
Authoritarianism: KILL IT WITH FIRE!
Conscription: Only for a massive war
Copyright law: For it, but allow GPL
Corporate personhood: On the fence
Death penalty: On the fence
Democracy: On the fence
Drug legalization: For it completely
Economic ideology: Capitalist (Austrian)
Euthanasia: Only if the individual consents
Evolution/Creationism: I firmly believe in evolution, not creationism. I am an Athiest
Feminism: Against. I support non-mandated equality, no bias
Free speech: Completely for it
Gay marriage: No state intervention in marriage at all
Global warming: Whether it exists or not, the environment is important
Gun control: Only licensing, no limits on ammo or action (type of gun)
Immigration (legal): For it
Immigration (illegal): Eliminate Corruption to mitigate it
Imperialism/Militarism: Completely opposed
Internet censorship: Completely opposed
LGBTQ equal rights: Equal treatment from Govt, not mandated equality (like affirmative action)
Police: Stop militarization, limit ability to randomly stop and search people. Limit car checkpoints.
Pornography: No limits
Prostitution: Legalize it and impose local health regulation
Racism: Against it personally, but it is freedom of expression
Redistribution of wealth: Firmly opposed
Religion: Anti-theist/atheist
Separation of church and state: Completely for it
Taxation: Only a flat income tax (say 10%) should exist, as well as tariffs on countries that have tariffs on us
Transhumanism: Support
Unions: Necessary evil, but they often overstep their bounds
Universal health care: Opposed
Welfare: Limit the spending and gradually eliminate it over next 50 years
Worker's rights: Only very limited rights
Youth rights: Support
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Postby Ujh Uhj » Thu May 30, 2013 1:49 pm

I just thought it'd be fun to fill this out.
Your beliefs on:
Abortion: Legal
Affirmative Action: No
Authoritarianism: No
Conscription: No
Copyright law: No
Corporate personhood: No
Death penalty: No
Democracy: No
Drug legalization: Yes
Economic ideology: Free market
Euthanasia: Legal
Evolution/Creationism: Science > stories
Feminism: Sure
Free speech: Yes
Gay marriage: Yes
Global warming: Sure
Gun control: No
Immigration (legal): Yes
Immigration (illegal): Make it legal
Imperialism/Militarism: No
Internet censorship: No
LGBTQ equal rights: Yes
Police: Private
Pornography: Yep
Prostitution: Legal
Racism: No
Redistribution of wealth: No
Religion: No
Separation of church and state: No church, no state
Taxation: No
Transhumanism: Go for it
Unions: Yes
Universal health care: No
Welfare: No
Worker's rights: Yes
Youth rights: Yes

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Postby Ujh Uhj » Thu May 30, 2013 1:57 pm

The good news is, it looks like the Firearms Act and NATO are going down! The bad news is, we're nowhere close on CAFA and we'll probably come up a few votes short on ISA. I would like to begin work on a repeal of ISA after it passes.

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Postby Belmaria » Thu May 30, 2013 4:01 pm

Ujh Uhj wrote:The good news is, it looks like the Firearms Act and NATO are going down! The bad news is, we're nowhere close on CAFA and we'll probably come up a few votes short on ISA. I would like to begin work on a repeal of ISA after it passes.

Good show old bean! We have already started working on a second firearms bill, and I would also like to help out in repealing the ISA (but have no problem with CAFA.) Please let me know what I can do to help you.
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Postby Deckersia » Thu May 30, 2013 6:01 pm

The voting isn't over yet, and more and more senators are finally appealing to the fact that these bills provide nothing but reduction in liberties for our people.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Thu May 30, 2013 6:03 pm

Out of interest, what is wrong with the ISA?
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Postby Ujh Uhj » Thu May 30, 2013 6:23 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:Out of interest, what is wrong with the ISA?

I disagree with it in principle. Nothing I can say will convince you to change to my opinion, because you wrote it. There is no productivity to be had by indulging in such arguments.

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Thu May 30, 2013 6:23 pm

Wolfmanne wrote:Out of interest, what is wrong with the ISA?

I disagree with the overly broad definition of terrorist group.
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