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by Wisconsin9 » Mon May 20, 2013 9:43 pm
by Shamshu the Defiant » Mon May 20, 2013 9:43 pm
Cosara wrote:You are making it very hard to even view her with any level of respect.
by Cosara » Mon May 20, 2013 9:43 pm
by Aurora Novus » Mon May 20, 2013 9:45 pm
by Nazi Flower Power » Mon May 20, 2013 9:45 pm
Aurora Novus wrote:The fact that she is going to be tried under the law only means that the law needs to be changed, and that she should be acquitted.
by Algonquin Ascendancy » Mon May 20, 2013 9:45 pm
Cosara wrote:I'm done with this shit. I am done. Cya never. You won't have to put up with me any-fucking-more.
by Shamshu the Defiant » Mon May 20, 2013 9:47 pm
Nazi Flower Power wrote:Aurora Novus wrote:The fact that she is going to be tried under the law only means that the law needs to be changed, and that she should be acquitted.
That's not how it works. Acquitting or convicting someone is not a judgement of their morality; it's a judgement of whether they violated the law. Unless the law is ruled unconstitutional, it can't be changed retroactively. Therefore, she should not be acquitted unless it somehow comes out that the sex never happened.
Of course, even if someone is convicted, you still have a lot of flexibility how to proceed from there. People can be pardoned, sentences commuted, records expunged, etc.
But you have to try people according to the law as written. That's what makes written laws different from mob rule. The law was on the books and this young woman chose not to obey it. If she didn't like the law, she should have done something to get it changed BEFORE going against it. I don't think the law is necessarily perfect, but if someone makes a decision to do something that is illegal, they need to be prepared to accept the risks and possible consequences that go with that. It's the same here as it is with marijuana. Yes, the law is unnecessarily strict, but it's still your own fault if you break the law and get caught.
by Pravengria » Mon May 20, 2013 9:48 pm
by Resora » Mon May 20, 2013 9:50 pm
by Rotburg » Mon May 20, 2013 9:50 pm
by Cosara » Mon May 20, 2013 9:50 pm
Aurora Novus wrote:Cosara wrote:It's official. You have caused a meltdown. Congratulations. You are the first person ever to cause a Cosara Meltdown.
Perfectly in line with my prediction too. You see, I understand how people work. I know them. It's kinda what I do.
Now run along. Or continue to say insane shit for my amusement. It matters little at this point. Your position has been discredited beyond belief, which is what my aims were.
I win. You lose.
by Pravengria » Mon May 20, 2013 9:51 pm
Rotburg wrote:I think it's a ridiculous law. If someone is just 3 years younger than you, it's not a crime. Just because you turn 18, it doesn't give you this supreme super power or something. You don't evolve like some Pokemon. I'm much more concerned about much older people going after kids. It's not like the 18 year old is a pedo.
You're right. It all stems from homophobia. The only reason it makes such an impact in the law is because of homophobia.
by Resora » Mon May 20, 2013 9:52 pm
Cosara wrote:Aurora Novus wrote:
Perfectly in line with my prediction too. You see, I understand how people work. I know them. It's kinda what I do.
Now run along. Or continue to say insane shit for my amusement. It matters little at this point. Your position has been discredited beyond belief, which is what my aims were.
I win. You lose.
Since I quit NS, I can do something you can't do.
Peace out, motherfuckers.
by Nazi Flower Power » Mon May 20, 2013 9:55 pm
Shamshu the Defiant wrote:Nazi Flower Power wrote:
That's not how it works. Acquitting or convicting someone is not a judgement of their morality; it's a judgement of whether they violated the law. Unless the law is ruled unconstitutional, it can't be changed retroactively. Therefore, she should not be acquitted unless it somehow comes out that the sex never happened.
Of course, even if someone is convicted, you still have a lot of flexibility how to proceed from there. People can be pardoned, sentences commuted, records expunged, etc.
But you have to try people according to the law as written. That's what makes written laws different from mob rule. The law was on the books and this young woman chose not to obey it. If she didn't like the law, she should have done something to get it changed BEFORE going against it. I don't think the law is necessarily perfect, but if someone makes a decision to do something that is illegal, they need to be prepared to accept the risks and possible consequences that go with that. It's the same here as it is with marijuana. Yes, the law is unnecessarily strict, but it's still your own fault if you break the law and get caught.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Gandhi, MLK, and underage lesbians. It's the hat-trick of civil disobedience and damn worth the shitty prison food.
Wish I had the sand of any those people.
by Frisivisia » Mon May 20, 2013 9:56 pm
by Shamshu the Defiant » Mon May 20, 2013 9:58 pm
Nazi Flower Power wrote:I personally think this is an issue where waiting a couple of months would have been the more sensible course of action. Being forced to keep it in your pants for a few months is nowhere near the level of injustice that people were facing in British-occupied India or the segregated US.
But to each her own.
by Frisivisia » Mon May 20, 2013 10:00 pm
Nazi Flower Power wrote:Shamshu the Defiant wrote:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Gandhi, MLK, and underage lesbians. It's the hat-trick of civil disobedience and damn worth the shitty prison food.
Wish I had the sand of any those people.
I personally think this is an issue where waiting a couple of months would have been the more sensible course of action. Being forced to keep it in your pants for a few months is nowhere near the level of injustice that people were facing in British-occupied India or the segregated US.
But to each her own.
by Yankee Empire » Mon May 20, 2013 10:02 pm
Frisivisia wrote:Nazi Flower Power wrote:
I personally think this is an issue where waiting a couple of months would have been the more sensible course of action. Being forced to keep it in your pants for a few months is nowhere near the level of injustice that people were facing in British-occupied India or the segregated US.
But to each her own.
They shouldn't have to. Injustice is injustice, and now this girl is a felon for consensual sex.
by Resora » Mon May 20, 2013 10:02 pm
Frisivisia wrote:Nazi Flower Power wrote:
I personally think this is an issue where waiting a couple of months would have been the more sensible course of action. Being forced to keep it in your pants for a few months is nowhere near the level of injustice that people were facing in British-occupied India or the segregated US.
But to each her own.
They shouldn't have to. Injustice is injustice, and now this girl is a felon for consensual sex.
by Wisconsin9 » Mon May 20, 2013 10:02 pm
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by Pravengria » Mon May 20, 2013 10:02 pm
by Frisivisia » Mon May 20, 2013 10:03 pm
by Yankee Empire » Mon May 20, 2013 10:03 pm
by Wisconsin9 » Mon May 20, 2013 10:04 pm
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