Farage: "It's official, I survived what I been through

[Napkiraly]

So if a person is second generation born in England, drinks tea, has an English accent, goes to the local pub after work, worships the Queen, etc, etc. And they are not English because their grandparents came from India or Nigeria or where ever else? Wow.

They still aren't an indigenous person, is this difficult to understand? In this theoretical little situation where an immigrant completely assimilates (which does not happen the majority of the time due to the government supported legacy of New Labour's multiculturalism), it still does not make the racial replacement of an indigenous people okay at all, and if you think it does then frankly you're a horrible person.

Racial replacement? If they move here, settle down, integrate and whatnot, who gives a flying fuck if the most common surname becomes Kowalski?

[Aaland]

An interviewer is supposed to be impartial on the BBC to the topic at hand. Clearly this one was not, although the standard has been on the slide for a number of years.

There are posing awkward questions (David Dimbleby) and then there is being a twat. This BBC interviewer falls into the latter category.

i thought the interviewer was fine. he was just asking Farage to explain his hypocrisy.

Farage keeps on and on about how his party is not racist or fascist just for wanting Britain to split from Europe even though some members of his party have expressed very racist views, yet calls a party who wants to split from Britain racist and fascist because some people who may or may not have been members of this party have told him to go home The interviewer seemed to want to know why this is, as do I.


as my dear mother always tell me...If you can't take it, don't give it

Stupid criticism really, you can find equally racist people among the conservatives if you looked, and UKIP is the only party which doesn't allow former BNP members. It's funny how the opposition parties jump on the "former BNP representatives", but for them to have gained membership in the first place they had to lie about their former allegiance, while the main three parties accept former BNP without issue.

[UNIverseVERSE]

No, they aren't of the indigenous group, born in England doesn't make you English.

Are you American by any chance?

Ah yes. Born in Britain doesn't make you British.

Saxons out! Get back to Germany where you belong!

Did I ever say that? No they are different also I'm against eastern European immigration as well not just different skin colours.

Let's look at what you actually said:

Wait I was talking about African Asian immigration.
The Scots and English belong to Caucasian race...

So you were talking about immigration by various non-white 'races', while lumping together multiple cultural groups under one white 'race' that's somehow all okay.

...there aren't any major differences genetically apart from a few minor things but the cultural aspect is what makes the difference.

And here you bring up culture, which by implication from the previous part is saying "there's no major genetic differences between white people and black people, but the cultural aspects are what is relevant"

Or in short, that cultural differences line up with skin colour aka 'race', and that white-skinned cultures are good while dark-skinned ones are bad.

[Napkiraly]

I would ignore it since it has been shown to be wrong.

Thought so.

Because it has been shown to be wrong. Unless it is a new study, I'm going to take the study funded by the US govt. to map the entire genome of the human species.

[Fascist Worcestershire]

Well if it isn't race then they are a variation but there are differences between an African and Asian for example.

Yeah there are minor cosmetic differences but not enough to make them a different species.

But enough to make them what we label as a different race they aren't a different species but they are a different race.

[The Nihilistic view]

An interviewer is supposed to be impartial on the BBC to the topic at hand. Clearly this one was not, although the standard has been on the slide for a number of years.

There are posing awkward questions (David Dimbleby) and then there is being a twat. This BBC interviewer falls into the latter category.

i thought the interviewer was fine. he was just asking Farage to explain his hypocrisy.

Farage keeps on and on about how his party is not racist or fascist just for wanting Britain to split from Europe even though some members of his party have expressed very racist views, yet calls a party who wants to split from Britain racist and fascist because some people who may or may not have been members of this party have told him to go home The interviewer seemed to want to know why this is, as do I.


as my dear mother always tell me...If you can't take it, don't give it

Farage wants to end the political rule from Brussels. He wants an economic EU but not an political one. Is this so hard to grasp?

[Napkiraly]

So if a person is second generation born in England, drinks tea, has an English accent, goes to the local pub after work, worships the Queen, etc, etc. And they are not English because their grandparents came from India or Nigeria or where ever else? Wow.

Nigel Farage himself is a descendant of immigrants. So under this logic is he not British?

He's not even indigenous, so he shouldn't be complaining about immigration.

[Free Tristania]

i thought the interviewer was fine. he was just asking Farage to explain his hypocrisy.

Farage keeps on and on about how his party is not racist or fascist just for wanting Britain to split from Europe even though some members of his party have expressed very racist views, yet calls a party who wants to split from Britain racist and fascist because some people who may or may not have been members of this party have told him to go home The interviewer seemed to want to know why this is, as do I.


as my dear mother always tell me...If you can't take it, don't give it

Farage wants to end the political rule from Brussels. He wants an economic EU but not an political one. Is this so hard to grasp?

For short: he wants a bankers EU without any form of political control. He doesn't want this diabolical institution to end. He just wants the political oversight removed.

[Aaland]

All genetics are biological; not all biologicals are genetic.

No some of them are washing powders!

You got me

[Fascist Worcestershire]

No, they aren't of the indigenous group, born in England doesn't make you English.

Are you American by any chance?

Ah yes. Born in Britain doesn't make you British.

Saxons out! Get back to Germany where you belong!

Did I ever say that? No they are different also I'm against eastern European immigration as well not just different skin colours.

Let's look at what you actually said:

Wait I was talking about African Asian immigration.
The Scots and English belong to Caucasian race...

So you were talking about immigration by various non-white 'races', while lumping together multiple cultural groups under one white 'race' that's somehow all okay.

...there aren't any major differences genetically apart from a few minor things but the cultural aspect is what makes the difference.

And here you bring up culture, which by implication from the previous part is saying "there's no major genetic differences between white people and black people, but the cultural aspects are what is relevant"

Or in short, that cultural differences line up with skin colour aka 'race', and that white-skinned cultures are good while dark-skinned ones are bad.

No and you are misunderstanding what I've said and are putting words into my month.

[The Nihilistic view]

Wow that is so Racist what are you thinking?
But seriously very sensible thats what we should have.

Something we need to remember here is that no vote was held for mass immigration and multiculturalism, it is completely undemocratic to have expected that this would be fine in the first place let alone being happy with indigenous people becoming a minority. A former Labour adviser recently admitted they allowed mass immigration to force multiculturalism and "rub it in the right's faces", and intentionally avoided making this aim public because they knew it would draw harsh criticism. Not to mention the fact that they also intended to use the immigrants to augment their voter-base and essentially used it to change the demographics for the purposes of vote buying, something which is difficult to see as completely legal.

To be honest i am not really surprised by you saying this. Bloody labour.

[Aaland]

So if a person is second generation born in England, drinks tea, has an English accent, goes to the local pub after work, worships the Queen, etc, etc. And they are not English because their grandparents came from India or Nigeria or where ever else? Wow.

Nigel Farage himself is a descendant of immigrants. So under this logic is he not British?

Since when does UKIP campaign for indigenous rights?

[Battenburgia]

If anybody had any knowledge whatsoever they won't call UKIP Fascist anyone who does is a fool.

i think the interviewer was trying to find out if anyone who calls the SNP fascist is a fool.....I think he found out that in this particular case the person making such an accusation most certainly is

[Aaland]

They still aren't an indigenous person, is this difficult to understand? In this theoretical little situation where an immigrant completely assimilates (which does not happen the majority of the time due to the government supported legacy of New Labour's multiculturalism), it still does not make the racial replacement of an indigenous people okay at all, and if you think it does then frankly you're a horrible person.

Racial replacement? If they move here, settle down, integrate and whatnot, who gives a flying fuck if the most common surname becomes Kowalski?

People who value native rights. Do you feel the same about Native Americans, Australian Aborigines, or even if this happened to another country and people such as Kenyans or (actually non-indigenous and highly nationalistic) Japanese?

[Feecus]

So if a person is second generation born in England, drinks tea, has an English accent, goes to the local pub after work, worships the Queen, etc, etc. And they are not English because their grandparents came from India or Nigeria or where ever else? Wow.

They still aren't an indigenous person, is this difficult to understand? In this theoretical little situation where an immigrant completely assimilates (which does not happen the majority of the time due to the government supported legacy of New Labour's multiculturalism), it still does not make the racial replacement of an indigenous people okay at all, and if you think it does then frankly you're a horrible person.

Ouch. Turns out I am not British after all . I even have a union flag hanging in my room, better take it down and book a flight back to argentina where i belong so I don't "racially replace" the "indigenous" (Norman-Viking-Anglo-Saxon-Jutish-Celtic-Roman-French Hybrids).

My immigrant parents are white, does that mean I can assimilate properly?
Or is it only brown people that can't?

[Aaland]

No, they aren't of the indigenous group, born in England doesn't make you English.

Are you American by any chance?

Ah yes. Born in Britain doesn't make you British.

Saxons out! Get back to Germany where you belong!

That's a myth, as proven with DNA evidence that has already been linked.

[Fascist Worcestershire]

Something we need to remember here is that no vote was held for mass immigration and multiculturalism, it is completely undemocratic to have expected that this would be fine in the first place let alone being happy with indigenous people becoming a minority. A former Labour adviser recently admitted they allowed mass immigration to force multiculturalism and "rub it in the right's faces", and intentionally avoided making this aim public because they knew it would draw harsh criticism. Not to mention the fact that they also intended to use the immigrants to augment their voter-base and essentially used it to change the demographics for the purposes of vote buying, something which is difficult to see as completely legal.

To be honest i am not really surprised by you saying this. Bloody labour.

Wow I hate Labour and feel even more sorry now for any blind misguided fools who vote for them.

[Malgrave]

Nigel Farage himself is a descendant of immigrants. So under this logic is he not British?

Since when does UKIP campaign for indigenous rights?

I was talking more of your xenophobic bullshit, although UKIP also follow this line.

[Malgrave]

To be honest i am not really surprised by you saying this. Bloody labour.

Wow I hate Labour and feel even more sorry now for any blind misguided fools who vote for them.

All in response to a non-sourced quite and post?

[Fascist Worcestershire]

If anybody had any knowledge whatsoever they won't call UKIP Fascist anyone who does is a fool.

i think the interviewer was trying to find out if anyone who calls the SNP fascist is a fool.....I think he found out that in this particular case the person making such an accusation most certainly is

This was basically a group of SNP supporters who allowed no debate but rather intimidated him and trapped him in a pub that reminds me of the SA to be honest.

[Aaland]

Nigel Farage himself is a descendant of immigrants. So under this logic is he not British?

He's not even indigenous, so he shouldn't be complaining about immigration.

An absolutely ridiculous line of thought. An immigrant can equally complain about immigration if they feel it is out of control, let alone someone like Farage who only has a French surname and in the 200 plus years his family have been here is probably majority indigenous himself.

[The Nihilistic view]

Farage wants to end the political rule from Brussels. He wants an economic EU but not an political one. Is this so hard to grasp?

For short: he wants a bankers EU without any form of political control. He doesn't want this diabolical institution to end. He just wants the political oversight removed.

Thus making the EU unable to pass any laws that members have to abide by. A form that would cost us almost nothing and we would get all of the economic benefits and none of the negatives or cost. Some people are just visionaries though on another level to everybody else.

[Fascist Worcestershire]

Wow I hate Labour and feel even more sorry now for any blind misguided fools who vote for them.

All in response to a non-sourced quite and post?

I heard it on the news at one point as well I swear or read an article about a Labour guy saying this.
And even if they didn't they and anyone who votes for them are misguided.

[Fascist Worcestershire]

Nobody has even mentioned Farage for awhile now this thread has gone off the deep end methinks.

[Aaland]

Since when does UKIP campaign for indigenous rights?

I was talking more of your xenophobic bullshit, although UKIP also follow this line.

Yes, recognising that an indigenous people have the right to remain a majority in their land is xenophobic bullshit. Just throwing "racist" and "xenophobe" at people to stifle discourse on the issue is becoming less effective every day because it's done so flippantly.