Advertisement
by Immoren » Tue May 14, 2013 9:47 am
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Esparmuran » Tue May 14, 2013 10:33 am
by Ifreann » Tue May 14, 2013 10:36 am
by Ozzy » Tue May 14, 2013 10:41 am
by Esparmuran » Tue May 14, 2013 11:02 am
Ozzy wrote:Esparmuran wrote:
An internet cancer, yes. We'll just have to wait until it evolves into an actual cancer.
Oh yeah! About that, I apologize!
We should create a Fallout Equestria role play, together! You know, just us ponies. No one to bother us and troll us.
And no, I won't troll you! I'm acting silly of the moment, but I'm SERIOUS about this post and our role play!!!
by Immoren » Tue May 14, 2013 11:04 am
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Ozzy » Tue May 14, 2013 11:08 am
by Quidomne » Tue May 14, 2013 11:31 am
Immoren wrote:Hah! Gaaayyy!
Lazssia wrote:Everypony do as she says!
by Soxastan » Tue May 14, 2013 12:02 pm
Immoren wrote:Best Rare is?
by Ameriganastan » Tue May 14, 2013 12:08 pm
Quidomne wrote:Just friends
Edward Richtofen wrote:Ameri's so tough that he criticized an Insane Asylum and was promptly let out
Sinovet wrote:Ameri's like Honey badger. He don't give a fuck.
Krazakistan wrote: He is a force of negativity for the sake of negativity
Onocarcass wrote:Trying to change Ameri, is like trying to drag a 2 ton block of lead with your d**k.
Immoren wrote:When Ameri says something is shit it's good and when Ameri says some thing is good it's great. *nods*
by Commune of Luna » Tue May 14, 2013 12:54 pm
by Ceffyltir » Tue May 14, 2013 2:57 pm
Lazssia wrote:Everypony do as she says!
Quidomne wrote:YES, CEFFY. WE WILLMAKE SWEET, SWEET LOVEHAVE MAGICAL PONY ADVENTURES IN READING TOGETHER.
by Xiscapia » Tue May 14, 2013 3:07 pm
by Ceffyltir » Tue May 14, 2013 3:47 pm
by Xiscapia » Tue May 14, 2013 3:51 pm
Ceffyltir wrote:I hate to make things even worse for you, Xis, but I think you typed that first big post for nothing. Wilgrove rarely responds to things like that.
Also, me right now.
by Ceffyltir » Tue May 14, 2013 4:41 pm
Xiscapia wrote:Ceffyltir wrote:I hate to make things even worse for you, Xis, but I think you typed that first big post for nothing. Wilgrove rarely responds to things like that.
Also, me right now.
That's okay, I got some good conversation out of it from Xomic and hatters anyway.
by Xiscapia » Tue May 14, 2013 4:42 pm
by Wisconsin9 » Tue May 14, 2013 4:43 pm
by Saurisisia » Tue May 14, 2013 4:44 pm
by Ceffyltir » Tue May 14, 2013 4:46 pm
by Wilgrove » Tue May 14, 2013 4:49 pm
Xiscapia wrote:
Alright, let's rap.
1. Cadence and Shining Armor
Big Brother Best Friend Forever, who hasn't been mentioned, seen, written to or so much as referenced in the last two seasons. Out of nowhere. Ditto for Cadence. What's more is that these two characters are basically plot devices themselves. They don't make sense in the context of the show. The crux of Shining's story is founded on a relationship that was never established, because we've never heard of either of these characters before.
Cadence has no reason to be an alicorn except for the same reason that they made Twilight one -to sell toys. There was never any question about why Celestia and Luna ruled Equestria because, duh, they're alicorn and they have power over day and night. They occupy this neat little yin-yang space between royalty and divinity. It just works well. The introduction of Cadence destroys that. Now you have to wonder -why are Luna and Celestia the alicorns in charge?
Why isn't Cadence the one ruling? Why does it seem like she ages normally? Is Cadence some kind of lesser alicorn, or is she just a great deal younger, or what? Cadence being an alicorn is a glaringly obvious mistake because it doesn't add anything to her character and it clashes with the established mythos of the alicorns that we already have.
As an aside, what is Cadence doing babysitting Twilight anyway? Isn't she visiting royalty? It's not because Twilight is Celestia's best student -this happened before Twilight got her cutie mark. Doesn't Cadence have other things to do, you know, princess-y things? In reality, from a story perspective, it's a convenient way to make Twilight okay with her Big Brother Best Friend Forever getting married, without sacrificing any toy potential.
And why does Twilight instantly vilify Cadence when she figures out that she's acting strangely? If they were such good friends, wouldn't she want to at least try to talk to her instead of complaining or pronouncing her evil? Or, hell, why doesn't she talk to one of the Princesses?
Queen Chrysalis: You were saying? You do realize the reception's been cancelled, don't you? Go! Feed! [laughing] It's funny, really. Twilight here was suspicious of my behavior all along. Too bad the rest of you were too caught up in your wedding planning to realize those suspicions were correct. [laughing]
2. Queen Chrysalis is a friggin' moron
So when Chrysalis dramatically reveals herself, Princess Luna is nowhere to be seen and Princess Celestia conveniently steps out for a moment. Right. Anyway, Chrysalis seems kind of surprised when she actually manages to defeat Celestia. If she wasn't fully confident that it would work, why would she do that?
Was that her Plan B? If so, what, exactly, was Plan A? What was she there to do? Was she planning to be Cadence forever? Then what's with the giant changeling army already attacking the shield as the wedding commences? And given how mean Chrysalis has been to everyone up until now, and leaving Cadence and Twilight alive directly beneath the city, it doesn't seem like she cares that much about keeping a low profile.
Queen Chrysalis: [laughing] Right you are, Princess. And as queen of the changelings, it is up to me to find food for my subjects. Equestria has more love than any place I've ever encountered. My fellow changelings will be able to devour so much of it that we will gain more power than we have ever dreamed of!
Queen Chrysalis: Ah! Shining Armor's love for you is even stronger than I thought! Consuming it has made me even more powerful than Celestia!
But open combat seems to contradict everything we're told about the changelings. They're a secretive folk who eat your love when you're not looking. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to just sneak in and make-pretend? Why gather a massive, highly visible army to batter down the shield? In fact, why is there a shield there at all? It's never explained what the threat towards the city explicitly was. We have to assume that Chrysalis was the one who made the threat -but Chrysalis is already inside the shield. She would have had to threaten the city, while inside the city, all by herself. Was that done deliberately? To what end? Why is she alone? She has an army that can look like anyone she wants.
So we're to understand that Chrysalis, all on her own, sneaked into Canterlot to take down a shield that never would have been a problem if she hadn't, you know, made the threat in the first place? You can't say that she didn't have the power to take it down once she got Shining Armor in her hooves; she could make him do anything she wanted. I'm sure she could command him to take down the shield. Unless, of course, the shield was up when she got there. In which case, what was the point of the threat? And why didn't her army sneak in the same way she did? It's not like having a big influx of people right before a royal wedding would look suspicious, it would be expected.
So once Chrysalis deals with Celestia she just kind of lets the Mane 6 run out of there. Doesn't even try to stop them. What, does she have pressing matters in the throne room? Was she not finished with her gloating monologues? C'mon.
3. Where the hell is Luna?
What, did they think we wouldn't notice? Why isn't she there? There is NO explanation for this whatsoever. And it's not really justifiable in-story either. What, is she supposed to be asleep or something? What a pile of bullshit. Celestia can be awake during the night, but Luna can't be awake during the day? And it seems to me that she would rush to defend Canterlot just like everyone else. Did the animators just decide they didn't want to deal with her big blue butt during the battle scenes? Seriously, what the fuck?
As for why Princess Luna wasn't there, it's been established in the episode that Princess Luna is nocturnal, and even though they are ponies that can live for a really really long time, they probably still require sleep. The day is Princess Celestia's realm and the night is Princess Luna's realm. I'm assuming that they respect each others realm of rule and would not want to overstep their boundaries.
Princess Luna: Rest, my sister. As always, I will guard the night.
4. The battle scene
Okay, so the Mane 6 runs off to get the EoH. They fight a bunch of changelings, beat the crap out of them, and open the doors...only to find more changelings. Wait, so were the changelings just waiting for them? Do they know about the EoH? If so, what did they do with them? If not, why were they there? Was it an ambush? Why didn't they just burst out and overwhelm the Mane 6 during the battle?
And then the Mane 6 ends up getting taken back to the the throne room anyway, rendering the entire scene pointless. Twilight goes around letting Cadence and Shining Armor free while Chrysalis just...stands there and watches. Again. Even as Twilight frees Cadence, who knocks Shining out of his stupor, thus freeing the one who can stop her. Wonderful.
Cadence proclaims that her love will give Shining Armor strength, at which Chrysalis utters this gem:
"What a lovely but absolutely ridiculous sentiment!"
Are you fucking kidding me?
So your entire race gains strength from the power of love, which you JUST used to vanquish Celestia, and when someone goes to use the exact same thing against you it's a RIDICULOUS SENTIMENT?! AND IT'S THE SAME FUCKING PERSON THAT GAVE SHINING THE SOURCE OF THE POWER YOU JUST FUCKING WIELDED AS A WEAPON TO DEFEAT THE GODDESS-EMPRESS?! How could you be so FUCKING stupid?
And then there's the moral.
The moral is that love is good? Uh, hate to break it to y'all, but literally everyone knows that. Everyone likes love and to be loved. As they say, even Hitler was kind to his dogs. But, see, here's the thing: I can't shoot great streaming jets of love out of my forehead. So I'm completely at a loss to see how it was love that saved the day. If this was supposed to be an allegory it's hard to see.
Princess Celestia: This is your victory as much as theirs. You persisted in the face of doubt, and your actions led to your being able to bring the real Princess Cadance back to us. Learning to trust your instincts is a valuable lesson to learn.
You see, we're told at the start of part two that love is a tangible thing, similar to electricity that can be stolen and used against people like a weapon. This doesn't make any literal sense in the real world. But it does make metaphorical sense, if Chrysalis is an allegory for a shady person who curries the affections of decent people for self-serving reasons. Which is fine. But according to this episode, the power of love will save you from these people. If that's so, when Chrysalis squared off against Celestia, and Chrysalis was running off the power of love, what was Celestia using? Double A batteries? What is THAT scene supposed to be a metaphor for? That love can defeat the Goddess-Empress of ponykind? All the scene proves is that Celestia ISN'T god. Huzzah.
And let's not forget. If Cadence's power of love was able to save the day, it's only because 1) Chrysalis STANDS THERE AND LETS IT HAPPEN, and
2), Cadence was released from prison in the first place. By Twilight. Who was put there by Chrysalis. Why? Because she mistrusted Cadence from the beginning. Love didn't save the day -Twilight's paranoia did! Without that Cadence would be starving beneath Canterlot and everyone else would be prisoners or slaves to the changelings as they do whatever it is they do. I don't even want to get into the kind of disconnect it is to have creatures that feed on love terrorizing the populace they're trying to prey upon.
But there's your moral. "Kids, if you suspect that someone you love has fallen prey to an emotional leech, then never stop doubting them! You'll be proven right in the end!"
Seriously. Even Celestia says so to Twilight. "This is your victory as much as theirs. You persisted in the face of doubt, and your actions led to your being able to bring the real Princess Cadence back to us. Learning to trust your instincts is a valuable lesson to learn."
So that's my rant on that. They're serious flaws that undermine the premise and the characters of the two-parter. The sad thing is that this could have been such a good finale, but they fucked it up. It wouldn't have taken much, you know, establishing the Shining-Cadence plot thread early, not making Cadence an alicorn, making Chrysalis a bit smarter and acting like a shapeshifter would, including Luna, getting a better moral. These are little fixes that would have been easy and alone don't add up to much, but when you put them all together it makes the finale look like a pile of shit.
by Quidomne » Tue May 14, 2013 4:52 pm
Ceffyltir wrote:Also, me right now.
Lazssia wrote:Muh hart dun sploded.
by Wisconsin9 » Tue May 14, 2013 4:54 pm
Advertisement
Users browsing this forum: Jetan
Advertisement