[DRAFT] The small nations assistance resolution

[Salmok]

The General Assembly of the World Assembly,


NOTING the lack of assistance to smaller nations.

RECOGNIZING that without aid, a small nation might find itself bullied around by larger nations.

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that not too much wealth can be taken from the larger nations, less they themselves become weakened.

MANDATES that all WA nations contribute 1% of their wealth to the assistance of all other WA nations with a population of less then 40 million.

HEREBY puts this bill into the process, for all to contribute and critique.

[Chazriel II]

You do realize how many smaller nations there are, that 1% can become quite crippling.
Also- you need more. This is not so much a potential law as a suggestion.
So glad to not be in the WA.

[Mousebumples]

The General Assembly of the World Assembly,


NOTING the lack of assistance to smaller nations.

RECOGNIZING that without aid, a small nation might find itself bullied around by larger nations.

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that not too much wealth can be taken from the larger nations, less they themselves become weakened.

MANDATES that all WA nations contribute 1% of their wealth to the assistance of all other WA nations with a population of less then 40 million.

HEREBY puts this bill into the process, for all to contribute and critique.

This sounds suspiciously like taxing of WA nations. Which is illegal under GA#17 - WA General Fund.

All nations were at one time small. Powerful nations because some over time through their own actions - both when they were "young" and old. Nations should stand or fall on their own merits, not by requiring assistance from others. (Additionally, regionmates should be able to offer assistance and/or guidance to younger nations. Or, at least, that is the opinion of this WA delegate.)

[Vetok]

There is already a Alliance of Small Nations

[Grays Harbor]

The General Assembly of the World Assembly,


NOTING the lack of assistance to smaller nations.

RECOGNIZING that without aid, a small nation might find itself bullied around by larger nations.

FURTHER RECOGNIZING that not too much wealth can be taken from the larger nations, less they themselves become weakened.

MANDATES that all WA nations contribute 1% of their wealth to the assistance of all other WA nations with a population of less then 40 million.

HEREBY puts this bill into the process, for all to contribute and critique.

This sounds suspiciously like taxing of WA nations. Which is illegal under GA#17 - WA General Fund.

All nations were at one time small. Powerful nations because some over time through their own actions - both when they were "young" and old. Nations should stand or fall on their own merits, not by requiring assistance from others. (Additionally, regionmates should be able to offer assistance and/or guidance to younger nations. Or, at least, that is the opinion of this WA delegate.)

Thats just what we were thinking as well. We shall not subsidize anybody based on size alone. This is ridiculous.

[Salmok]

You do realize how many smaller nations there are, that 1% can become quite crippling.

Perhaps you have misunderstood the bill, you contribute 1% altogether, no need to give 1% to each nation.

[Grays Harbor]

You do realize how many smaller nations there are, that 1% can become quite crippling.

Perhaps you have misunderstood the bill, you contribute 1% altogether, no need to give 1% to each nation.

That doesn't matter. There has not been a valid argument beyond "they're small and new" to do this. Nothing. Zero.

I counter-propose that small nations subsidize all nations more than 5 years old because we are the ones always expected to shoulder the burden of any and all programs folk think up. How about that?

[Glen-Rhodes]

This sounds suspiciously like taxing of WA nations. Which is illegal under GA#17 - WA General Fund.

Thats just what we were thinking as well. We shall not subsidize anybody based on size alone. This is ridiculous.

OOC: Actually, it's not illegal at all. What's banned is levying taxes on citizens. The World Assembly can levy taxes on nations; it's how the General Fund actually works.

[Salmok]

You do realize how many smaller nations there are, that 1% can become quite crippling.

Perhaps you have misunderstood the bill, you contribute 1% altogether, no need to give 1% to each nation.

That doesn't matter. There has not been a valid argument beyond "they're small and new" to do this. Nothing. Zero.

I counter-propose that small nations subsidize all nations more than 5 years old because we are the ones always expected to shoulder the burden of any and all programs folk think up. How about that?

That actually sounds like a great idea, I'll redraft the bill to fit this idea.

[Linux and the X]

You do realize how many smaller nations there are, that 1% can become quite crippling.

Perhaps you have misunderstood the bill, you contribute 1% altogether, no need to give 1% to each nation.

That doesn't matter. There has not been a valid argument beyond "they're small and new" to do this. Nothing. Zero.

I counter-propose that small nations subsidize all nations more than 5 years old because we are the ones always expected to shoulder the burden of any and all programs folk think up. How about that?

That actually sounds like a great idea, I'll redraft the bill to fit this idea.

I'll support that in about fifteen months.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

GA #2:

Article 10 § Whilst WA Member States may engage in wars, the World Assembly as a body maintains neutrality in matters of civil and international strife. As such, the WA will not engage in commanding, organising, ratifying, denouncing, or otherwise participating in armed conflicts, police actions, or military activities under the WA banner.

The WA cannot pass a resolution that favours certain nations over others.

[Glen-Rhodes]

The WA cannot pass a resolution that favours certain nations over others.

OOC: What? Yes it can. What do you call the Food Welfare Act, for one?

This proposal is lackluster, but that doesn't mean we should e shouting about things we don't completely understand.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

The WA cannot pass a resolution that favours certain nations over others.

OOC: What? Yes it can. What do you call the Food Welfare Act, for one?

This proposal is lackluster, but that doesn't mean we should e shouting about things we don't completely understand.

I thought it was about rich member states giving money to smaller nations. Either way, it is quite hard to figure out.

[Bears Armed]

The WA cannot pass a resolution that favours certain nations over others.

OOC: What? Yes it can. What do you call the Food Welfare Act, for one?

OOC: Technically no, it can't do so. All resolutions must, because of their automatic effects on national stats, have a similar effect on (theoretically, at least) all of the WA's member nations: You can no more pass a resolution that explicitly helps "small" nations than you can one that helps "Atheist" nations, or "Socialist" nations, or "nations in Region [Whatever]"...

And what 'Category' would this be in, if submitted, anyway?

[Salmok]

The General Assembly of the World Assembly,


NOTING that larger nations share the majority of the burden in most affairs.

RECOGNIZING the enormous support for the global community these groups give.

FURTHER RECOGNIZING the strain this no doubt puts on them.

MANDATES that all WA nations contribute 2% of their wealth to the assistance of all other WA nations with at least 1 billion population.

HEREBY puts this bill into the process, for all to contribute and critique.

[Flibbleites]

This sounds suspiciously like taxing of WA nations. Which is illegal under GA#17 - WA General Fund.

Thats just what we were thinking as well. We shall not subsidize anybody based on size alone. This is ridiculous.

OOC: Actually, it's not illegal at all. What's banned is levying taxes on citizens. The World Assembly can levy taxes on nations; it's how the General Fund actually works.

OOC: No, no no, read the resolution. That's not a tax, it's a "donation," albeit a manditory one.

[Glen-Rhodes]

OOC: No, no no, read the resolution. That's not a tax, it's a "donation," albeit a manditory one.

OOC: That's just clever wording. Either way, the WA can still tax nations.

[Bears Armed]

The General Assembly of the World Assembly,


NOTING that larger nations share the majority of the burden in most affairs.

RECOGNIZING the enormous support for the global community these groups give.

FURTHER RECOGNIZING the strain this no doubt puts on them.

MANDATES that all WA nations contribute 2% of their wealth to the assistance of all other WA nations with at least 1 billion population.

HEREBY puts this bill into the process, for all to contribute and critique.

(continued from my last post in this thread)
... or that would only affect "large" nations, either...

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Honestly, the honoured ambassador to Charlotte Ryberg thinks the WA General fund already has some kind of mandatory donations thing in place.

[Glen-Rhodes]

OOC: Technically no, it can't do so. All resolutions must, because of their automatic effects on national stats, have a similar effect on (theoretically, at least) all of the WA's member nations: You can no more pass a resolution that explicitly helps "small" nations than you can one that helps "Atheist" nations, or "Socialist" nations, or "nations in Region [Whatever]"...

OOC: Again, what do you call the Food Welfare Act? It explicitly favors poor, hungry nations over rich, stuffed ones.

[Bears Armed]

OOC: Technically no, it can't do so. All resolutions must, because of their automatic effects on national stats, have a similar effect on (theoretically, at least) all of the WA's member nations: You can no more pass a resolution that explicitly helps "small" nations than you can one that helps "Atheist" nations, or "Socialist" nations, or "nations in Region [Whatever]"...

OOC: Again, what do you call the Food Welfare Act? It explicitly favors poor, hungry nations over rich, stuffed ones.

OOC: That resolution helps any member state that is currently ailing & non-'propserous', but situations change and (at least in theory) any member nations could fall into that category sooner or later: The same is not true for "small" or "large".
(I'm basing this opinion on various past Modly rulings, although please don't ask me to wade all of the way through the old NSUN forum for links to give you for these...)

[Glen-Rhodes]

That resolution helps any member state that is currently ailing & non-'propserous', but situations change and (at least in theory) any member nations [could fall into that category sooner or later: The same is not true for "small" or "large".

OOC: Wait, are we talking "small" and "large" geographically? I've been reading this as economically, militarily, etc.

[Bears Armed]

That resolution helps any member state that is currently ailing & non-'propserous', but situations change and (at least in theory) any member nations [could fall into that category sooner or later: The same is not true for "small" or "large".

OOC: Wait, are we talking "small" and "large" geographically? I've been reading this as economically, militarily, etc.

OOC: I thought that the author meant population figures, which would mean that most nations now have (if we stick to the game's official' values for these, anyway) no chance whatsoever of falling into the "small" category and there'd be a predcictable length of time before each nation that wasn't already "large" would qualify for that status?

[Salmok]

That resolution helps any member state that is currently ailing & non-'propserous', but situations change and (at least in theory) any member nations [could fall into that category sooner or later: The same is not true for "small" or "large".

OOC: Wait, are we talking "small" and "large" geographically? I've been reading this as economically, militarily, etc.

OOC: I thought that the author meant population figures, which would mean that most nations now have (if we stick to the game's official' values for these, anyway) no chance whatsoever of falling into the "small" category and there'd be a predcictable length of time before each nation that wasn't already "large" would qualify for that status?

Hmm, good point, I'll fix that.

[Salmok]

The General Assembly of the World Assembly,


NOTING that larger nations share the majority of the burden in most affairs.

RECOGNIZING the enormous support for the global community these groups give.

FURTHER RECOGNIZING the strain this no doubt puts on them.

MANDATES that all WA nations contribute 2% of their wealth to the assistance of all other WA nations with at least 10 billion population.

HEREBY puts this bill into the process, for all to contribute and critique.