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Postby The Spiral Future » Sat May 11, 2013 1:41 pm

Link : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22478620

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Millions of Chinese internet users have posted online pledges not to kill themselves in recent days.

"I will never commit suicide," the postings say. "If I die unexpectedly, I was killed by others and the police should investigate the crime."

The pledges are a reaction to a woman's death that police concluded was suicide, despite rumours it was murder.

Some hope they will prevent authorities falsely ruling their death suicide if they die in suspicious circumstances.

With more than 20 million postings, "anti-suicide pledges" are now the second most popular topic on weibo, China's version of Twitter.

This developed after the suspicious death of Yuan Liya, a young clothing store worker in Beijing last week.

The woman's death was quickly ruled a suicide by police, but persistent rumours claimed the 22-year-old was gang-raped by security guards in the mall where she worked and then thrown from a high balcony.

Angry protesters demanded an investigation into the case, but they were quickly silenced by hordes of police.

In response, many ordinary people are attempting to protect themselves from what they fear could be a similar fate.
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Public pledges against committing suicide first surfaced in China last year, after prominent political dissident Li Wangyang reportedly hung himself in a hospital room, while police were reportedly guarding his door.

His family and friends say Mr Li's severe physical disabilities make the local government's explanation of his death impossible. They encouraged all China's activists to circulate anti-suicide pledges.

"I have no history of mental illness. No matter what bad situation I will be in the future, I will not commit suicide," writes Cheng Tao, a political cartoonist.

"If I die by accident, my death was engineered by other people. My internet friends, please pursue my case until the end. I have been invited to drink tea [a euphemism for a meeting with police] three times this year and my internet account has been deleted 18 times."

"It is not impossible this will happen to me. Please repost this and make your own promise to prevent 'forced' suicide."

Scores of other people are now following that advice.

"Even if I have no car, no house, no lover, no money for food, and even if I have Aids, I will not commit suicide or fall off a building voluntarily," one user named Initial-D writes.

"If I die unexpectedly, government departments can't blame a suicide on me."

The trend highlights the serious lack of trust that many in China place in public institutions, ranging from the police to the courts.

However morbid the anti-suicide pledges might seem, many in China believe they offer a shred of protection for themselves or for the ones they might leave behind.

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It's nice to see this sort of thing happening, I don't an actual investigation will come from it but it's nice to see things being questioned. One should always question government institutions whether you love the or hate them. If you hate them, you have motivation to find corruption, if you love them then the motivation there by default. I think there is a chance of more protests, no one seems to be backing down here. I've no idea if the Chinese government will do anything at all.

Anyway NSG, do you believe an investigation will be launched and why? Do you believe that this will happen again or will there be an unreported crackdown on these activities for the sake of stability? Do you believe more protests will appear after this one was broken up?
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Postby Volghan » Sat May 11, 2013 1:43 pm

Wow shocking :O.

China is one scary place, its cities are like little dystopias

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Postby Napkiraly » Sat May 11, 2013 1:44 pm

People can tolerate insufferable cunts shafting them only for so long. Hopefully this begins to spread throughout China and results in reforms to make it the government freer, more open, and more accountable.

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Postby Tiltjuice » Sat May 11, 2013 1:47 pm

Fair development. It'll definitely help with psychological autopsies.

On the other hand, mental illness is still stigmatized in the PRC, so I'm not sure if any would be done.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sat May 11, 2013 1:48 pm

Corruption in China, water is still wet...

I highly highly doubt it, but maybe this will change something.
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Postby The Spiral Future » Sat May 11, 2013 1:50 pm

Napkiraly wrote:People can tolerate insufferable cunts shafting them only for so long. Hopefully this begins to spread throughout China and results in reforms to make it the government freer, more open, and more accountable.


A response which as adequate as it is true. More authoritarian governments would last longer if they listened to history. I mean you could open a random page and find that restricting rights unnecessarily is bad idea.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat May 11, 2013 1:51 pm

China's a corrupt, authoritarian, secretive hellhole? No way.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat May 11, 2013 1:54 pm

The Spiral Future wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:People can tolerate insufferable cunts shafting them only for so long. Hopefully this begins to spread throughout China and results in reforms to make it the government freer, more open, and more accountable.


A response which as adequate as it is true. More authoritarian governments would last longer if they listened to history. I mean you could open a random page and find that restricting rights unnecessarily is bad idea.

Indeed.It frees people and makes progress all that more attainable. Humans want many things, but at the root core we wanted to be treated as fellow human beings by other human beings.

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Postby The Spiral Future » Sat May 11, 2013 2:20 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
The Spiral Future wrote:
A response which as adequate as it is true. More authoritarian governments would last longer if they listened to history. I mean you could open a random page and find that restricting rights unnecessarily is bad idea.

Indeed.It frees people and makes progress all that more attainable. Humans want many things, but at the root core we wanted to be treated as fellow human beings by other human beings.


Simply put yes, we constantly try to find a way to achieve this yet we always manage to trip over our own feet.

I wonder if we'll ever grow as a species to the point that we'll achieve our dreams........
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Postby New Octopucta » Sat May 11, 2013 2:30 pm

Jesus. I can't even imagine how it must feel to know that justice in your country comes down to how the local police are feeling about the person who wronged you.

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Postby Blekksprutia » Sat May 11, 2013 2:32 pm

It amazes me how the Chinese government finds its population so...disposable.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat May 11, 2013 2:33 pm

Frisivisia wrote:China's a corrupt, authoritarian, secretive hellhole? No way.

Yeah, but now people care!


Blekksprutia wrote:It amazes me how the Chinese government finds its population so...disposable.

In fairness, there are loads of them.
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Postby New Nassrau » Sat May 11, 2013 2:35 pm

Ugh... this just adds to my many reasons why I hate the People's Republic of China.... long live the Republic of China
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Postby Benuty » Sat May 11, 2013 2:35 pm

Tyranny, the bastard child of Despots. On that note, atleast in many ways Chinese citizens are subtlety cracking up a government known for its "malaisial" views toward human life.
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Postby Napkiraly » Sat May 11, 2013 2:36 pm

The Spiral Future wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Indeed.It frees people and makes progress all that more attainable. Humans want many things, but at the root core we wanted to be treated as fellow human beings by other human beings.


Simply put yes, we constantly try to find a way to achieve this yet we always manage to trip over our own feet.

I wonder if we'll ever grow as a species to the point that we'll achieve our dreams........

Perhaps one day, with technology and a lot of struggling and fighting. I'm a cynical optimist. :P

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Frisivisia wrote:China's a corrupt, authoritarian, secretive hellhole? No way.


Next they'll say that Iran supports terrorists, that a supreme leader has more power than the president, and that they want to nuke Israel.
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New Nassrau wrote:Ugh... this just adds to my many reasons why I hate the People's Republic of China.... long live the Republic of China


You can blame General Marshall for that fuck up called " The National campaign to Liberate Manchuria from Soviet influence" first he supports the move, then he goes " Oh shit the Soviets are mad, lets try to make peace". Which of-course we all know didn't work out.
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Petrovsegratsk wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:China's a corrupt, authoritarian, secretive hellhole? No way.


Next they'll say that Iran supports terrorists, that a supreme leader has more power than the president, and that they want to nuke Israel.


Or that the United states government tested STD's in central america by infecting civilian populations.
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Postby Toronina » Sat May 11, 2013 2:43 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:China's a corrupt, authoritarian, secretive hellhole? No way.

Yeah, but now people care!


Blekksprutia wrote:It amazes me how the Chinese government finds its population so...disposable.

In fairness, there are loads of them.

Yes, it's uhhhh, poulation control *nod*
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Postby Purpelia » Sat May 11, 2013 2:45 pm

Am I the only one that has the feeling this is all just a meme that got out of hand? As in someone thought it was a good idea and posted it and other people saw it and bought in and from that point on it just bubbled up like a chain letter would if it circulated in a region of the internet that just happens to be closely linked to the worlds most populous country.
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Postby Benuty » Sat May 11, 2013 2:45 pm

Toronina wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yeah, but now people care!



In fairness, there are loads of them.

Yes, it's uhhhh, poulation control *nod*


The chinese government in the end will have fucked themselves over because of the gender bias within their practices. " Fuck the girls, produce more boys, oh shit we don't have enough women...fuck!"
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Postby Veyliss » Sat May 11, 2013 2:46 pm

So, how do people know whether the "non-suicide" pledgers will actually stick to their pledges?

As attempts to stop the state from killing them and then calling it suicide, it looks pretty futile.

Unless, of course, people trust the word of the pledger more than that of the state officials.
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Postby Purpelia » Sat May 11, 2013 2:47 pm

Veyliss wrote:So, how do people know whether the "non-suicide" pledgers will actually stick to their pledges?

As attempts to stop the state from killing them and then calling it suicide, it looks pretty futile.

Unless, of course, people trust the word of the pledger more than that of the state officials.

Why would the government go and kill random people thou? You make it sound as if China was a Stalinist paradise as opposed to a pragmatic semi-communist nation.
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