Yankee Empire wrote:Why should I have to live in a society that tolerates this shit when it's wrong and offers absolutely no benefit to society ,humanity or civilization?
Because you don't have the right to freedumb from being offended. *nods*
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by Sondstead » Sat May 11, 2013 1:02 pm
Yankee Empire wrote:Why should I have to live in a society that tolerates this shit when it's wrong and offers absolutely no benefit to society ,humanity or civilization?
Fartsniffage wrote:Poor analogy. A better one would be a high school american football team approaching a couple of kids quietly reading/writing during lunch hour, telling them to play with them and then stamping on their books/notepads if they refuse.
All with the teacher watching on from the sidelines nodding in approval.
by OMGeverynameistaken » Sat May 11, 2013 1:06 pm
by Gallifrey Express » Sat May 11, 2013 1:08 pm
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:The genetics of incest vary based on your choice of partner. Cousin incest isn't apparently so bad, but some trolling around on Google seems to indicate that, to take a condition at random, parent or sibling incest increases the chance of a child being born with cystic fibrosis by %25-30. I would call that fairly significant, although I can't, I admit, find any 'real' scientific sources that I'm prepared to read through. Not being a geneticist, the volumes on the subject on Google Books are more or less impenetrable to me.
by Yankee Empire » Sat May 11, 2013 1:09 pm
Gallifrey Express wrote:And until you actually show how it's wrong, instead of just constantly using the same words with nothing to back them up, you're just spitting up insane drivel because you can't fathom the concept of someone wanting to into sex with a relative. We get it. That disgusts you. Salmon disgusts me. I don't want to ban salmon.
Gallifrey Express wrote:And if incestuous relationships have no benefit for civilization, then the same thing can be said about all relationships, until you can prove how they're bad.
by Gallifrey Express » Sat May 11, 2013 1:11 pm
Yankee Empire wrote:Gallifrey Express wrote:And until you actually show how it's wrong, instead of just constantly using the same words with nothing to back them up, you're just spitting up insane drivel because you can't fathom the concept of someone wanting to into sex with a relative. We get it. That disgusts you. Salmon disgusts me. I don't want to ban salmon.
And he accuses me of strawmen...
Gallifrey Express wrote:And if incestuous relationships have no benefit for civilization, then the same thing can be said about all relationships, until you can prove how they're bad.
No it can't thats retarted what the fuck are you talking about, relationships are central to civilized society and humanity, but there are billions of alternatives as opposed to fucking family members.
Thats why the whole unverified "loving relationship" argument is bullshit too.
It's Wrong for the 5th time, Because it's socially abhorrent/corrosive, Mentally dysfunctional, and Biologically dangerous.
Think about the families and how this act makes them feel, you think their okay with this, that theyr should tolerate this, because these degenerates couldn't choose someone else to fuck!
What the hell is wrong with you?
And i've read incidences of incest and and the people usually have some sort of mental disorder or illness.
And inbreeding is not only biolgically dangerous, people are going well it's not as Dangerous as so and so ,who fuckign cares if it isn't 100% guranted to make a retarded baby? There's no justification for it. When people can choose so many other people to breed with.
But even if my only argument was "Ick that's fucking gross" it'd still be a good enough argument because you offer absolutely nothing, not one goddamn thing for why Incest should be allowed.
None. If your saying it shouldn't be illegal then your the one that has to justify why. Not me, it's illegal im glad and i want it to stay that way because legalizing it would in no way improve the state of civilized society.
by Stedicules » Sat May 11, 2013 1:14 pm
by Gallifrey Express » Sat May 11, 2013 1:16 pm
by OMGeverynameistaken » Sat May 11, 2013 1:22 pm
Gallifrey Express wrote:OMGeverynameistaken wrote:The genetics of incest vary based on your choice of partner. Cousin incest isn't apparently so bad, but some trolling around on Google seems to indicate that, to take a condition at random, parent or sibling incest increases the chance of a child being born with cystic fibrosis by %25-30. I would call that fairly significant, although I can't, I admit, find any 'real' scientific sources that I'm prepared to read through. Not being a geneticist, the volumes on the subject on Google Books are more or less impenetrable to me.
What's the starting chance of being born with CF? That's as important as the percentile increase.
by Yankee Empire » Sat May 11, 2013 1:26 pm
by Trotskylvania » Sat May 11, 2013 1:33 pm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by Trotskylvania » Sat May 11, 2013 1:33 pm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by Coccygia » Sat May 11, 2013 1:33 pm
by Hajaland » Sat May 11, 2013 1:38 pm
Apostledom of chaos wrote:An irritating number of people aren't reading this. Please do.
Don't worry, I not stupid, just uninformed. I am aware of, and (more or less) understand the whole genetics angle. What I'm looking for is the how and why of the social and psychological.
I'm not talking about rape, I am talking about to consenting individuals that happen to be related engaging in coitus.
Now, as far as I know, most animals don't care about relations, so (correct me if I'm wrong) that says to me, the we (the human race) acquired the social and psychological trait from something we have that they (other animals) don't.
Let me reiterate, I am aware of the genetic issues of incest. I want to know what the cause of the psychological and social dislike that the majority of humanity has of incest.
by Earth Federation » Sat May 11, 2013 1:38 pm
by OMGeverynameistaken » Sat May 11, 2013 1:48 pm
by Gallifrey Express » Sat May 11, 2013 1:48 pm
OMGeverynameistaken wrote:Gallifrey Express wrote:What's the starting chance of being born with CF? That's as important as the percentile increase.
Wikipedia says %4 of European-descended people carry the gene for CF, while 1 in 2,000 infants born in the European Union are born with CF. When dealing with my children and a potentially lifelong condition that might require a lung transplant, those odds are bad enough.
And, of course, everything I've read indicates that multi-generational incest increases the problem exponentially.
by Mistelemr » Sat May 11, 2013 1:58 pm
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by Sondstead » Sat May 11, 2013 2:44 pm
Fartsniffage wrote:Poor analogy. A better one would be a high school american football team approaching a couple of kids quietly reading/writing during lunch hour, telling them to play with them and then stamping on their books/notepads if they refuse.
All with the teacher watching on from the sidelines nodding in approval.
by Ifreann » Sat May 11, 2013 3:11 pm
Yankee Empire wrote:Gallifrey Express wrote:No, it's actually not. It's not hedonism. It's not championing complete and total personal freedom. It's saying, 'hey, fuck you if you think you have the right to tell peoplewhat consenting adults they can shag'fucking their close relatives is wrong and shouldn't be socially acceptable.
Because thats an argument? "Fuck you for telling me what i can't do".
That's all i've gotten out of people defending this degeneracy, "Fuck you oppressor!"
You show some empiracal evidence that indiviudals always now whats best for them and that others can't know hat better for them than the individual in question.
Can you do that? No because civilizatio nas it's structured is design completely aroudn the concept that individuals do't always know whats best for them, thats why we have laws ,restrictions and Taboos.
Why should I have to live in a society that tolerates this shit when it's wrong and offers absolutely no benefit to society ,humanity or civilization?
I have every goddamn right to oppose this rot.
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