National Imperialist-Freedom Party Headquarters [NSG Senate]

[Aeken]

I see you all are deliberating how to achieve presidency. In all honesty, I think Alaje is going to win. And I didn't know I was a communist.

It'll be close. Not to sound defeatist on my part, but you have a huge advantage over me. The Progress Coalition is ENORMOUS. The relationship between us and the CM has been getting stronger though, and their are a lot of wildcard parties and independents that could go either way.

Well, one thing that I noticed is that Manu of the parties have inactive members. That has lowered my vote count. So it might just help you if it gets extremely close.

[Irredento]

The relationship between us and the CM has been getting stronger though

Stahlhelm, Stahlhelm, über alles♪♪

[Aeken]

The relationship between us and the CM has been getting stronger though

Stahlhelm, Stahlhelm, über alles♪♪

I'm quite glad you have also made Stahlhelm in comparison to PC. I was hoping something like this would sprout.

[Irredento]

Stahlhelm, Stahlhelm, über alles♪♪

I'm quite glad you have also made Stahlhelm in comparison to PC. I was hoping something like this would sprout.

It was essentially just a formalisation of the already close relationship between the Monarchists and Imperialists really.

Ah, I should also point out that by "communist", I wasn't pulling a McCarthy, but in fact meant your running mate, who IIRC was an actual Communist Party member? I could be confusing things though.

[Aeken]

I'm quite glad you have also made Stahlhelm in comparison to PC. I was hoping something like this would sprout.

It was essentially just a formalisation of the already close relationship between the Monarchists and Imperialists really.

Ah, I should also point out that by "communist", I wasn't pulling a McCarthy, but in fact meant your running mate, who IIRC was an actual Communist Party member? I could be confusing things though.

Yeah, I knew. My VP's PC, and I know that the Deputy PM is TR.

[Irredento]

It was essentially just a formalisation of the already close relationship between the Monarchists and Imperialists really.

Ah, I should also point out that by "communist", I wasn't pulling a McCarthy, but in fact meant your running mate, who IIRC was an actual Communist Party member? I could be confusing things though.

Yeah, I knew. My VP's PC, and I know that the Deputy PM is TR.

Ahh, it must have been the TR member I was thinking about in that case.

More than that though, it's just that the Progress Coaltion in general is tolerant towards the evil reds, so it'd be weird to see Libertarians vote for that.

I'll accept that Zweite Alaje is a bit of a market socialist and the libertarians will definitely have issues with his social conservatism but at least Ally doesn't eat babies like the communists in the Progress Coalition do, as outlined in a 100% factual story in this week's edition of the completely unbiased news source The Daily Kaiser, printed by the CMP, and available now at the low low price of just 10 Aurentinian currency units.

[Imperiatom]

Yeah, I knew. My VP's PC, and I know that the Deputy PM is TR.

Ahh, it must have been the TR member I was thinking about in that case.

More than that though, it's just that the Progress Coaltion in general is tolerant towards the evil reds, so it'd be weird to see Libertarians vote for that.

I'll accept that Zweite Alaje is a bit of a market socialist and the libertarians will definitely have issues with his social conservatism but at least Ally doesn't eat babies like the communists in the Progress Coalition do, as outlined in a 100% factual story in this week's edition of the completely unbiased news source The Daily Kaiser, printed by the CMP, and available now at the low low price of just 10 Aurentinian currency units.

HAHAHA. If you have a better offer for us now is the time to put your cards on the table.

Edit: Also ten NSC dollars for a paper? You got to be joking. Can i have a link to the paper please.

[Zweite Alaje]

First round voting periods has just ended, our second place spot is now solidified!!! To the second round we go Stahlhelm Alliance!!!!

[Aeken]

Yeah, I knew. My VP's PC, and I know that the Deputy PM is TR.

Ahh, it must have been the TR member I was thinking about in that case.

More than that though, it's just that the Progress Coaltion in general is tolerant towards the evil reds, so it'd be weird to see Libertarians vote for that.

I'll accept that Zweite Alaje is a bit of a market socialist and the libertarians will definitely have issues with his social conservatism but at least Ally doesn't eat babies like the communists in the Progress Coalition do, as outlined in a 100% factual story in this week's edition of the completely unbiased news source The Daily Kaiser, printed by the CMP, and available now at the low low price of just 10 Aurentinian currency units.

I believe one of the reasons we wanted the Communists is to just grow the Coalition. LD's are definitely on the right side of the spectrum in the Coalition, with the PC's being the most farthest from the left. TR would probably be considered center, and the Communists on the left.

And I wish the Progress Coalition had a cool, biased, and crazy newspaper.

[Imperiatom]

Ahh, it must have been the TR member I was thinking about in that case.

More than that though, it's just that the Progress Coaltion in general is tolerant towards the evil reds, so it'd be weird to see Libertarians vote for that.

I'll accept that Zweite Alaje is a bit of a market socialist and the libertarians will definitely have issues with his social conservatism but at least Ally doesn't eat babies like the communists in the Progress Coalition do, as outlined in a 100% factual story in this week's edition of the completely unbiased news source The Daily Kaiser, printed by the CMP, and available now at the low low price of just 10 Aurentinian currency units.

I believe one of the reasons we wanted the Communists is to just grow the Coalition. LD's are definitely on the right side of the spectrum in the Coalition, with the PC's being the most farthest from the left. TR would probably be considered center, and the Communists on the left.

And I wish the Progress Coalition had a cool, biased, and crazy newspaper.

We do. Its called the communist party HQ!

[CTALNH]

Seeing as the only current divide we have on the Secret Police bill is how hard it will be to erase it’s mention from history, I’m just gonna go ahead and submit the first draft for what is basically a more detailed 2nd Amendment.

Statement The right of the people to possess, use and carry firearms shall not be infringed by any state, federal or other governmental authority. And while the right of the people to bear low-power explosives/artillery may be infringed, it shall not be prohibited in most circumstances*. Also not infringed is the right of the people to affix these weapons upon any frame that they wish, so long as they have the consent of the object’s owner.
Definitions; Defines firearms as any weapon with a projectile diameter of less than six point three five (6.35) centimeters, a projectile length of less than ten point one six (10.16) centimeters and utilizes a short combustion cycle to propel said projectile out of the weapon and towards a target. These may take the form of pistols, rifles, shotguns and large ‘sniper’ rifles. If the ammunition carries an explosive, poisonous or otherwise exotic payload the ammunition is to be governed by a seperate piece of legislation.
Defines low-power explosives as any explosive material with an explosive force of less than ten kilograms (22 pounds) when shaped into a regular cube measuring 1cm³ before detonation. Upon and after detonation it may not leave behind any harmful chemical, biological or radiological residue/effects upon the environment.
Defines artillery, for the purpose of this bill, to be any weapon with a projectile diameter above 6.35 centimeters.
Defines the circumstances under which a member of the populace’s right to bear low power exposives and artillery as legal charges. Unless otherwise stated, instant confiscation, a ban from owning such weapons again and selling the confiscated materials back onto the free market is the penalty. The legal charges applicable are as such; conspiracy to commit murder (with the weapon(s)), manslaughter (four month suspension, official training upon proper use), murder (with the weapon(s)), armed robbery (with the weapon(s)), rape (wherein the weapon(s) were used to coerce the raped party) or property destruction (with the weapon(s)).
Furthermore it shall take no less than a vote of 75% confidence at the minimum in order to repeal this bill.

Anything I screwed up monumentally with? Should there be tighter regulations on fully automatic weaponry (which, according to this draft, are governed the same as semi-auto weapons), anything anyone within this party would like to add/take away? Loop holes?

I know I am not a member of your party, but I will offer input.

6.35 cm is pretty huge. Under that kind of legislation, pretty much all auto-cannons would be legal.

Personally, I would draw the line where the USA has, and restrict/regulate all weapons that fire projectiles over 0.5 inch or 12.7mm in caliber (except shotguns or shotgun shells which are generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes), and any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas, bomb, grenade, rocket having a propellant charge of more than 4 ounces, missile having an explosive charge of more than 1/4 ounce, mine or similar device.

After around 12.7mm, cartridges start to take leaps and bounds in power. A 14.5×114mm cartridge has twice the muzzle energy of a 12.7x99mm cartridge, and a 20mm cannon can have up to 4 times as much.

Otherwise, that bill sounds good to me.

But I want my KPV on my BTR 60....

[Irredento]

First round voting periods has just ended, our second place spot is now solidified!!! To the second round we go Stahlhelm Alliance!!!!

Now we just have to win the second!

This is going to be a hell of a task but, well, even taking second place in this way has been an undeniably impressive show of our combined strength. Far-right extremists very rarely perform this well in elections and this has a lot to do with extremists of any stripes constantly bickering and never working together. We are different, however, as we have shown. As I have said several times now, the relationship between our parties isn't that of a mere coalition of career politicians who have grouped together for the sake of power alone and don't even agree with each other, but is in fact a true alliance of comrades in the struggle against liberalism who through sheer willpower alone will change first Aurentina and then the world!

On a related note, Senators Aeken and Imperiatom, as upstanding men of character, I think it's clear that you both belong with us parties of conviction and have merely been dragged into the quagmire of liberalism and centrism without really questioning the situation. I trust that you will both someday abandon the soulless old parties and join us in creating a brave new world together. I look forward to the coming of that day when you will both finally turn your backs on the lives of career politicians you are living right now. There will of course be a place for you both in the Stahlhelm.

[Maklohi Vai]

First round voting periods has just ended, our second place spot is now solidified!!! To the second round we go Stahlhelm Alliance!!!!

Now we just have to win the second!

This is going to be a hell of a task but, well, even taking second place in this way has been an undeniably impressive show of our combined strength. Far-right extremists very rarely perform this well in elections and this has a lot to do with extremists of any stripes constantly bickering and never working together. We are different, however, as we have shown. As I have said several times now, the relationship between our parties isn't that of a mere coalition of career politicians who have grouped together for the sake of power alone and don't even agree with each other, but is in fact a true alliance of comrades in the struggle against liberalism who through sheer willpower alone will change first Aurentina and then the world!

On a related note, Senators Aeken and Imperiatom, as upstanding men of character, I think it's clear that you both belong with us parties of conviction and have merely been dragged into the quagmire of liberalism and centrism without really questioning the situation. I trust that you will both someday abandon the soulless old parties and join us in creating a brave new world together. I look forward to the coming of that day when you will both finally turn your backs on the lives of career politicians you are living right now. There will of course be a place for you both in the Stahlhelm.

Serious question, and relatively out of context:

Do you post in IC or OOC?

[Imperiatom]

First round voting periods has just ended, our second place spot is now solidified!!! To the second round we go Stahlhelm Alliance!!!!

Now we just have to win the second!

This is going to be a hell of a task but, well, even taking second place in this way has been an undeniably impressive show of our combined strength. Far-right extremists very rarely perform this well in elections and this has a lot to do with extremists of any stripes constantly bickering and never working together. We are different, however, as we have shown. As I have said several times now, the relationship between our parties isn't that of a mere coalition of career politicians who have grouped together for the sake of power alone and don't even agree with each other, but is in fact a true alliance of comrades in the struggle against liberalism who through sheer willpower alone will change first Aurentina and then the world!

On a related note, Senators Aeken and Imperiatom, as upstanding men of character, I think it's clear that you both belong with us parties of conviction and have merely been dragged into the quagmire of liberalism and centrism without really questioning the situation. I trust that you will both someday abandon the soulless old parties and join us in creating a brave new world together. I look forward to the coming of that day when you will both finally turn your backs on the lives of career politicians you are living right now. There will of course be a place for you both in the Stahlhelm.

HAHAHA. Crazy post, love it. If you want to get my party on side you need to come up with a really good offer and fast. Then if the offer is good enough we would switch sides. I would want to already but it seems our party is not very democratic when it come to important matters so political bribery is for most of my party the only way forward.

[Irredento]

Now we just have to win the second!

This is going to be a hell of a task but, well, even taking second place in this way has been an undeniably impressive show of our combined strength. Far-right extremists very rarely perform this well in elections and this has a lot to do with extremists of any stripes constantly bickering and never working together. We are different, however, as we have shown. As I have said several times now, the relationship between our parties isn't that of a mere coalition of career politicians who have grouped together for the sake of power alone and don't even agree with each other, but is in fact a true alliance of comrades in the struggle against liberalism who through sheer willpower alone will change first Aurentina and then the world!

On a related note, Senators Aeken and Imperiatom, as upstanding men of character, I think it's clear that you both belong with us parties of conviction and have merely been dragged into the quagmire of liberalism and centrism without really questioning the situation. I trust that you will both someday abandon the soulless old parties and join us in creating a brave new world together. I look forward to the coming of that day when you will both finally turn your backs on the lives of career politicians you are living right now. There will of course be a place for you both in the Stahlhelm.

Serious question, and relatively out of context:

Do you post in IC or OOC?

Bit of both. ┐('～`；)┌

[Yankee Empire]

I believe one of the reasons we wanted the Communists is to just grow the Coalition. LD's are definitely on the right side of the spectrum in the Coalition, with the PC's being the most farthest from the left. TR would probably be considered center, and the Communists on the left.

And I wish the Progress Coalition had a cool, biased, and crazy newspaper.

We do. Its called the communist party HQ!

I think you'd like our party Better Imperiatom.

[Maklohi Vai]

Serious question, and relatively out of context:

Do you post in IC or OOC?

Bit of both. ┐('～`；)┌

That's a "bit" of a problem, then, because when you make statements like "communists eat babies," some people can, you know, take offense to that. When the line is blurred between IC and OOC, it's tough to tell whether that's you being offensive or your character "Senator Irredento" being offensive.

[Yankee Empire]

First round voting periods has just ended, our second place spot is now solidified!!! To the second round we go Stahlhelm Alliance!!!!

I'm going to bed now but when i wake up, (Provided my internet works) i'm going to get on Making our Newspaper.

[Yankee Empire]

Bit of both. ┐('～`；)┌

That's a "bit" of a problem, then, because when you make statements like "communists eat babies," some people can, you know, take offense to that. When the line is blurred between IC and OOC, it's tough to tell whether that's you being offensive or your character "Senator Irredento" being offensive.

He's saying that in OOC...You can joke in OOC.

[Seelelander]

Oh Come now, Senator Irrendento can call us baby eating communist all he wants, after all he is still a imperialist pig-dog bourgeoisie enabling carpet eater, but this doesn't mean we can't be friends!

[Yankee Empire]

First round voting periods has just ended, our second place spot is now solidified!!! To the second round we go Stahlhelm Alliance!!!!

Now we just have to win the second!

This is going to be a hell of a task but, well, even taking second place in this way has been an undeniably impressive show of our combined strength. Far-right extremists very rarely perform this well in elections and this has a lot to do with extremists of any stripes constantly bickering and never working together. We are different, however, as we have shown. As I have said several times now, the relationship between our parties isn't that of a mere coalition of career politicians who have grouped together for the sake of power alone and don't even agree with each other, but is in fact a true alliance of comrades in the struggle against liberalism who through sheer willpower alone will change first Aurentina and then the world!

On a related note, Senators Aeken and Imperiatom, as upstanding men of character, I think it's clear that you both belong with us parties of conviction and have merely been dragged into the quagmire of liberalism and centrism without really questioning the situation. I trust that you will both someday abandon the soulless old parties and join us in creating a brave new world together. I look forward to the coming of that day when you will both finally turn your backs on the lives of career politicians you are living right now. There will of course be a place for you both in the Stahlhelm.

Also awesome post, I'd consider myself more a Radical Centrist than a Rightwing Extremist but the leftists will just calel me a "Far-Right winger" anyway so whatever.

It is interesting how well we've been able to do.

Now just need to apply this too real life...

[Maklohi Vai]

That's a "bit" of a problem, then, because when you make statements like "communists eat babies," some people can, you know, take offense to that. When the line is blurred between IC and OOC, it's tough to tell whether that's you being offensive or your character "Senator Irredento" being offensive.

He's saying that in OOC...You can joke in OOC.

No, you can adopt a persona and say almost anything IC, but when you, the person behind the computer, are saying "communists eat babies," that's a reportable offense and is then up to the mods to decide what to do with it.

[Irredento]

Bit of both. ┐('～`；)┌

That's a "bit" of a problem, then, because when you make statements like "communists eat babies," some people can, you know, take offense to that. When the line is blurred between IC and OOC, it's tough to tell whether that's you being offensive or your character "Senator Irredento" being offensive.

Pffft. If someone takes offence to an obviously silly joke like that, this is not my problem, but theirs.

I am assuming that you aren't using your admin powers to ban jokes from the Senate now?

[Yankee Empire]

He's saying that in OOC...You can joke in OOC.

No, you can adopt a persona and say almost anything IC, but when you, the person behind the computer, are saying "communists eat babies," that's a reportable offense and is then up to the mods to decide what to do with it.

This is lodge level discussion, then again your not allowed there...

[Seelelander]

^
He has a point.

C'mon guys there is flaming and then there's jokes.