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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri May 03, 2013 8:47 am

Mexicanada wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:It is both telling, and utterly disgusting, that you think of fellow citizens moving where they wish to within their home country as an invasion.

It's not as preposterous as you think.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? :eyebrow:
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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri May 03, 2013 8:48 am

Camicon wrote:
Mexicanada wrote:*paradise

You've got a fucked up definition of the word if restricted civil rights, no social programs, an economy run by faceless mega-corps, and the steady flow of money from the poor to the rich, sounds like "paradise" to you.
*shrugs* A lot of Republicans have a third world economy fetish, they want to share their love of Indian slums with America.
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Postby Mexicanada » Fri May 03, 2013 8:48 am

Wikkiwallana wrote:

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? :eyebrow:

Immigration=slow invasion. Read the article.
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Postby Khadgar » Fri May 03, 2013 8:48 am

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Camicon wrote:You've got a fucked up definition of the word if restricted civil rights, no social programs, an economy run by faceless mega-corps, and the steady flow of money from the poor to the rich, sounds like "paradise" to you.

That's quite the stereotyping generalization you've got there.


What generalization? You've been around long enough we're quite aware of your views.

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Postby Mexicanada » Fri May 03, 2013 8:50 am

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Camicon wrote:You've got a fucked up definition of the word if restricted civil rights, no social programs, an economy run by faceless mega-corps, and the steady flow of money from the poor to the rich, sounds like "paradise" to you.
*shrugs* A lot of Republicans have a third world economy fetish, they want to share their love of Indian slums with America.

*shrugs* A lot of Democrats have a communist economy fetish, they want to share their love of corrupt dictatorships with America.
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Postby Mexicanada » Fri May 03, 2013 8:51 am

Khadgar wrote:
Mexicanada wrote:That's quite the stereotyping generalization you've got there.


What generalization? You've been around long enough we're quite aware of your views.

I was talking about his anti-Republican rant. :palm: Thanks for the personal attack, though :)
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Postby Khadgar » Fri May 03, 2013 8:52 am

Mexicanada wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:What the fuck does that have to do with anything? :eyebrow:

Immigration=slow invasion. Read the article.


Oh good lord, you're taking something the BNP said seriously. That's adorable!

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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri May 03, 2013 8:52 am

Mexicanada wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:*shrugs* A lot of Republicans have a third world economy fetish, they want to share their love of Indian slums with America.

*shrugs* A lot of Democrats have a communist economy fetish, they want to share their love of corrupt dictatorships with America.
Um, you realize that Republican presidents set up plenty of corrupt, brutal dic[t]atorships too right? :p
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri May 03, 2013 8:53 am

Mexicanada wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:What the fuck does that have to do with anything? :eyebrow:

Immigration=slow invasion. Read the article.

1. That's prima facie bullshit.
2. Neither Freihart nor I were talking about immigration.
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Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
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Postby Mexicanada » Fri May 03, 2013 8:54 am

New Rogernomics wrote:
Mexicanada wrote:*shrugs* A lot of Democrats have a communist economy fetish, they want to share their love of corrupt dictatorships with America.
Um, you realize that Republican presidents set up plenty of corrupt, brutal dicatorships too right? :p

Example please. Jackson was a pretty corrupt president, and he's the founder of the whole damn Democratic Party in America!
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Postby Benuty » Fri May 03, 2013 8:55 am

Mexicanada wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:Um, you realize that Republican presidents set up plenty of corrupt, brutal dicatorships too right? :p

Example please. Jackson was a pretty corrupt president, and he's the founder of the whole damn Democratic Party in America!


He also destroyed the bank.
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Postby Mexicanada » Fri May 03, 2013 8:56 am

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Mexicanada wrote:Immigration=slow invasion. Read the article.

1. That's prima facie bullshit.
2. Neither Freihart nor I were talking about immigration.

1. No it's not.
2. Sorry. You must've meant this.
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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri May 03, 2013 8:56 am

Mexicanada wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:Um, you realize that Republican presidents set up plenty of corrupt, brutal dicatorships too right? :p

Example please. Jackson was a pretty corrupt president, and he's the founder of the whole damn Democratic Party in America!
http://wais.stanford.edu/USA/us_support ... s8303.html
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Postby Mexicanada » Fri May 03, 2013 8:57 am

Benuty wrote:
Mexicanada wrote:Example please. Jackson was a pretty corrupt president, and he's the founder of the whole damn Democratic Party in America!


He also destroyed the bank.

Lol that could be a whole different topic
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Postby Khadgar » Fri May 03, 2013 8:59 am

Mexicanada wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
What generalization? You've been around long enough we're quite aware of your views.

I was talking about his anti-Republican rant. :palm: Thanks for the personal attack, though :)


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Postby New Rogernomics » Fri May 03, 2013 9:01 am

Mexicanada wrote:
Benuty wrote:
He also destroyed the bank.

Lol that could be a whole different topic
The Democrats turned into Republicans, and the Republicans into Democrats; thought you knew that. :meh:
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri May 03, 2013 9:01 am

Mexicanada wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:1. That's prima facie bullshit.
2. Neither Freihart nor I were talking about immigration.

1. No it's not.
2. Sorry. You must've meant this.

1. Actually it is, so unless you can prove it, I'm ignoring it.
2. Again, what the fuck does this have to do with what Freihart said? It's dense as fuck, and seriously, what the hell are you even trying to prove?
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Postby Camicon » Fri May 03, 2013 9:02 am

Mexicanada wrote:
Camicon wrote:You've got a fucked up definition of the word if restricted civil rights, no social programs, an economy run by faceless mega-corps, and the steady flow of money from the poor to the rich, sounds like "paradise" to you.

That's quite the stereotyping generalization you've got there.

Unfortunately, that's exactly what the majority of Republicans want to do. No abortions, no minority protection rights, more stringent immigration laws, no welfare, no healthcare, reduced market restrictions, lower taxes. That doesn't exactly make a country into a "paradise". Go take a look at some other states that match that description. I think Somalia tops the list, in terms of Quality of Life.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri May 03, 2013 9:28 am

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
If the liberals would just stay in the left coast states, the tri-states (NJ, CT, NY), Washington DC, Pennsylvania, New England (minus NH) than everything would be fine. Sadly they are even invading formerly decent places like Utah (esp. Salt Lake City) and Colorado. It will suck when they invade South Dakota Oklahoma, and Wyoming which are the last frontiers against the liberal movements.

Yes, it would be nice if the liberals left but Canadians probably don't want them (they have plenty there).

It is both telling, and utterly disgusting, that you think of fellow citizens moving where they wish to within their home country as an invasion.


I lived in northern Colorado when I was a young lad and I had plans to move back but then I noticed the idiot governor signed heavy gun restricitions and then passed a bill to give illegal immigrants in-state tuition (while legal Americans from other states pay out-of-state rates except for military members/vets with honorable discharges). Both these bills are examples of a liberal governor pandering to liberals (as well as Hispanic voters). These bills are popular with Colorado folks because the state was taken over by California transplants who import their problems with them. Greeley, the eastern farmlands, and Colorado Springs are fairly conservative but they are outnumbered by California liberal transplants and the people they converted to their side.

It is an 'invasion' but a legal invasion. eastern South Dakota might still be an option. Hopefully the crappy winters, hot summers, tornadoes, and lack of beautiful mountain scenery will put off the Californians.

Look at what is happening in Salt Lake City:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53818 ... i.html.csp

Denver:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_activity_in_Denver

The Eighteenth Street Surenos, a Los Angeles gang, reportedly has had a large presence in Denver due to gang members who relocate to the city to avoid probation problems in Southern California.[

About Californians moving to other places:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1942 ... tml?pg=all
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They bring sophistication, broad experience and a passionate dedication to their new homes.

Already, they are shaking up regional politics, bringing new views on taxation, the environment and land use.

But they also bring desires that threaten the very landscape and way of life they hunger for. They want land and cars, roomy houses on roomy lots - the same dreams that sent ranch-style houses sprawling across the San Fernando Valley and throughout the five-county Los Angeles metropolitan area.

New values also may pave over the distinctive character of the more rural West - the trust built on a handshake rather than a contract, the independent, live-and-let-live spirit that recalls the nation's pioneer roots.

Beginning in the late 1980s, an avalanche of newcomers transformed Las Vegas from a medium-size gambling mecca to a small Los Angeles, replete with big-city school, planning and crime problems.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri May 03, 2013 9:33 am

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Wikkiwallana wrote:It is both telling, and utterly disgusting, that you think of fellow citizens moving where they wish to within their home country as an invasion.


I regard it as a concession that there is no nation more right wing than the US with any decent standard of living.


In regards to crime and punishment and the economy Singapore may be more right wing. Remember, they have no minimum wage and they aren't scared to execute drug dealers and cane street punks that vandalize cars. They are also less tolerant of illegal immigrants than the USA. They also have a lower maximum tax rate vs. the USA. They may be mostly Chinese but luckily it wasn't the Mao lovers that influenced their govt. policies.

Still, they are too lacking in other key freedoms. In regards to business they are rated higher than the USA on many key issues (as I posted before). The USA could learn this from them.
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Postby Mexicanada » Fri May 03, 2013 9:38 am

Khadgar wrote:
Mexicanada wrote:I was talking about his anti-Republican rant. :palm: Thanks for the personal attack, though :)


If you believe I've violated a rule take it up with a moderator.

Already tried and failed with Choronzon yesterday... Don't want to look like a whiner to the mods.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri May 03, 2013 9:45 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:It is both telling, and utterly disgusting, that you think of fellow citizens moving where they wish to within their home country as an invasion.


I lived in northern Colorado when I was a young lad and I had plans to move back but then I noticed the idiot governor signed heavy gun restricitions and then passed a bill to give illegal immigrants in-state tuition (while legal Americans from other states pay out-of-state rates except for military members/vets with honorable discharges). Both these bills are examples of a liberal governor pandering to liberals (as well as Hispanic voters). These bills are popular with Colorado folks because the state was taken over by California transplants who import their problems with them. Greeley, the eastern farmlands, and Colorado Springs are fairly conservative but they are outnumbered by California liberal transplants and the people they converted to their side.

It is an 'invasion' but a legal invasion. eastern South Dakota might still be an option. Hopefully the crappy winters, hot summers, tornadoes, and lack of beautiful mountain scenery will put off the Californians.

Look at what is happening in Salt Lake City:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53818 ... i.html.csp

Denver:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_activity_in_Denver

The Eighteenth Street Surenos, a Los Angeles gang, reportedly has had a large presence in Denver due to gang members who relocate to the city to avoid probation problems in Southern California.[

About Californians moving to other places:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1942 ... tml?pg=all
Californians are fleeing crowds and the effects of crowding: choked freeways, leapfrog development, polluted air and water, crime and high housing prices.

They bring sophistication, broad experience and a passionate dedication to their new homes.

Already, they are shaking up regional politics, bringing new views on taxation, the environment and land use.

But they also bring desires that threaten the very landscape and way of life they hunger for. They want land and cars, roomy houses on roomy lots - the same dreams that sent ranch-style houses sprawling across the San Fernando Valley and throughout the five-county Los Angeles metropolitan area.

New values also may pave over the distinctive character of the more rural West - the trust built on a handshake rather than a contract, the independent, live-and-let-live spirit that recalls the nation's pioneer roots.

Beginning in the late 1980s, an avalanche of newcomers transformed Las Vegas from a medium-size gambling mecca to a small Los Angeles, replete with big-city school, planning and crime problems.

Cry me a river.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri May 03, 2013 9:46 am

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
I regard it as a concession that there is no nation more right wing than the US with any decent standard of living.


In regards to crime and punishment and the economy Singapore may be more right wing. Remember, they have no minimum wage and they aren't scared to execute drug dealers and cane street punks that vandalize cars. They are also less tolerant of illegal immigrants than the USA. They also have a lower maximum tax rate vs. the USA. They may be mostly Chinese but luckily it wasn't the Mao lovers that influenced their govt. policies.

Still, they are too lacking in other key freedoms. In regards to business they are rated higher than the USA on many key issues (as I posted before). The USA could learn this from them.

Singapore is smaller than NYC. The same rules do not apply. Understand this already.
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Nulono wrote:Snip
I'm a pro-lifer who runs a nation of dragon-men...
And even I think that's stupid.
Avenio wrote:Just so you know, the use of the term 'sheep' 'sheeple' or any other herd animal-based terminology in conjunction with an exhortation to 'think outside the box' or stop going along with groupthink generally indicates that the speaker is actually more closed-minded on the subject than the people that he/she is addressing. At least, in my experience at least.

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Postby Freiheit Reich » Fri May 03, 2013 9:46 am

Camicon wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
If the liberals would just stay in the left coast states, the tri-states (NJ, CT, NY), Washington DC, Pennsylvania, New England (minus NH) than everything would be fine. Sadly they are even invading formerly decent places like Utah (esp. Salt Lake City) and Colorado. It will suck when they invade South Dakota Oklahoma, and Wyoming which are the last frontiers against the liberal movements.

Yes, it would be nice if the liberals left but Canadians probably don't want them (they have plenty there).

Considering our Tories are about as far left as your moderate Democrats, I don't think Canada would have any major problems with that. Except that the USA would then turn into a Republican-led hell hole, which would probably cause issues down the road.


Depends which republicans gained the power. If they are Bush or McCain style republicans I will agree with you. They are filled with problems as well. If they are more libertarian leaning republicans than I will say this would be a step in the right direction.

Sadly it would probably be the GW Bush style republicans or the 'Maverick'( :eyebrow: ) McCain style ones. Both of these type suck.
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