Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.IV

[Kalmarium]

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Spoilers plz

[Primordial Luxa]

Okay, I can understand the point about the drive shaft, but are diesel-electric systems still too underdeveloped for MBT use?

Also, the engine is in front of the fighting compartment, but behind the driver's compartment. Despite being clear of both areas, the turret would most definitely have to be turned 90 degrees to open the engine access panels.

If it's in the front of the fighting compartment, it's not a mid-mounted engine, it's a front-mounted engine. A partial hybrid diesel-electric system is doable, but probably won't provide the benefits you think. A full hybrid is impractical. And front-mounted engines have their share of drawbacks, although ultimately it comes down to which characteristics you favor.

What are the advantages of a rear-mounted turret?

The gun will stick out less over the front of the tank, potentially making it easier to maneuver in tight spaces.



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Please for the love of god put that in a spoiler.[/quote]

Sorry.

[The Kievan People]

Main Battle Tank

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Name: Aries MBT
Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)
Armor: Hull (turret) – 600 (780 mm) mm vs APFSDS, 800 mm (1,060 mm) vs HEAT
Length: Hull length: 26.02 ft (7.93 m) Width: 12 ft (3.66 m) Height:8 ft (2.44 m)
Max speed: Road 70 km/h / Off-road: 55 km/h Operation Ranger: 426 km (265 mi)
Primary Armament: 1x 105mm Adonis, 1x Autocrat-ACG
Secondary Armament: 2x Monarch-HMG, 6x grenade farm
Internal devices: Under turret cavity, Shielded Optics, Advanced ECCM suite, Hostile Sensor, Fire control directors, Adaptable rear cargo bin, Variable Stealth Profile "VASP" system, Emission control, stealth system, Low impact treads, Aircraft Hook points, Friction pads, inset house lighting, Rear access hatch, Shielded indicator lights, Streamlined Skirting, thermal expansion grooves, Multispec optics

Infantry Fighting Vehicles

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Name: Auriga IFV
Crew: 5
Armor: Steel-composite-reactive blend
Length: 6.96 m (22 ft 10 in) Width: 3.46 m (11 ft 4 in) Height: 2.10 m (6 ft 11 in)
Max speed: 65 km/h (40 mph) Operation Ranger: 426 km (265 mi)
Primary Armament: 2x Autocrat-ACG, 8x Sun Crusher Missiles
Secondary Armament: 1x Monarch-LMG, 2xAscendant-HSW
Internal devices: Under turret cavity, Shielded Optics, Advanced ECCM suite, Hostile Sensor, Fire control directors, Adaptable rear cargo bin, Variable Stealth Profile "VASP" system, Emission control, stealth system, Low impact treads, Aircraft Hook points, Friction pads, inset house lighting, Rear access hatch, Shielded indicator lights, Streamlined Skirting, thermal expansion grooves, Multispec optics

Armored Personnel Carriers

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Name: Taurus APC
Crew: 2, 12 passengers
Armor: 7.62 mm/14.5 mm resistant
Length:6.95 m (22 ft 10 in) Width:2.72 m (8 ft 11 in) Height: 2.64 m (8 ft 8 in)
Max speed: 100 km/h (62 mph) Operation Ranger: 500 km (310 mi)
Primary Armament: 1x Monarch-HMG or Ascendant-HSW mounted in a Protector (RWS) remote weapon station
Secondary Armament: 2x Monarch-LMG,
Internal devices:Under turret cavity, Shielded Optics, Advanced ECCM suite, Hostile Sensor, Fire control directors, Adaptable rear cargo bin, Variable Stealth Profile "VASP" system, Emission control, stealth system, Low impact treads, Aircraft Hook points, Friction pads, inset house lighting, Rear access hatch, Shielded indicator lights, Streamlined Skirting, thermal expansion grooves, Multispec optics,

Light Armored Vehicles

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Name: ??? Recon Assault Tank
Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Armor: IBD Modular Expandable Armor System
Length: 237 inches (6.0 m) Width:101 inches (2.6 m) Height:6 ft 102 inches (2.6 m)
Max speed: 73 mph Operation Range: 440 miles @ 40 mph
Primary Armament:
Secondary Armament:
Internal devices:

I have never seen these before.

Certainly not in this thread.

[Orussia]

If it's in the front of the fighting compartment, it's not a mid-mounted engine, it's a front-mounted engine. A partial hybrid diesel-electric system is doable, but probably won't provide the benefits you think. A full hybrid is impractical. And front-mounted engines have their share of drawbacks, although ultimately it comes down to which characteristics you favor.

Basically, priorities are as follows:

Strategic Mobility
Firepower
Armor
Tactical Mobility
Cost

Trying to make a tank that has excellent protection for the crew, but has as big a cannon on as small and easily transported a chassis as possible.
Ergo, why I decided to look at a rear turret. If it turns out that it's not feasible, I'll look at more conventional layouts.

[The Kievan People]

The conventional configuration is the most compact configuration.

[Kalmarium]

Re-posting this because no one seemed to notice it:

Sentinel 2A1
(stats subject to change if too unrealistic or OP)

Armor:
-Hull: 700mm vs APFSDS, 890mm vs HEAT
-Turret: 780mm vs APFSDS, 1050mm vs HEAT

Armament:
-1x 120mm Nordentormetall L89 smoothbore gun
44 rounds
-1x 12.7mm KMG heavy machine gun
900 rounds
-2x 7.62mm MG3A1
4,750 rounds

Engine:
-Vekken 871 St-708b liquid-cooled V-12 Twin-turbo diesel engine
1491 hp at 2600 rpm

Weight: 62.8 tonnes
Power/weight: 24.2 PS/t
Transmission: Antinor ABL9 454
Suspension: Torsion bar
Fuel capacity: 1300 l
Range: 529km
Speed: 71 km/h

[GraySoap]

Kalmarium, I think it needs a larger drive sprocket, unless that's the idler... and still then. Specifications seem realistic if ordinary.

[Kalmarium]

Kalmarium, I think it needs a larger drive sprocket, unless that's the idler... and still then. Specifications seem realistic if ordinary.

I think I just got lazy on that part

[Registug]

I'd like to ask, is this tank related to the Australian Cruiser Sentinel Tank in any way?

[Kalmarium]

I'd like to ask, is this tank related to the Australian Cruiser Sentinel Tank in any way?

No, I just liked the name. But I can see why you'd ask that. I based off of the M1A2 Abrams and Leopard 2A6 designs and equipment. Although a name change would be likely considering how we favor modern blitzkrieg tactics, while the definition of Sentinel fits to nothing of the sort.

[Saraban Cortolrol]

It's time to put a really big fella in here.


Oh yes!, Armored assault tank time!

This big guy has a rather long reload time on the missiles, fair reload time on the turret. Plus, it's big!

[San-Silvacian]

It's time to put a really big fella in here.
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Oh yes!, Armored assault tank time!

This big guy has a rather long reload time on the missiles, fair reload time on the turret. Plus, it's big!

thats a horrible tank

[Kalmarium]

It's time to put a really big fella in here.

(Image)

Oh yes!, Armored assault tank time!

This big guy has a rather long reload time on the missiles, fair reload time on the turret. Plus, it's big!

(Spoil the image next time!)

I never liked that design, too high profile, troops hitching a ride were completely exposed, and if you were shot in the rear you basically lost the tank.

[Connori Pilgrims]

It's time to put a really big fella in here.
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Oh yes!, Armored assault tank time!

This big guy has a rather long reload time on the missiles, fair reload time on the turret. Plus, it's big!

Another thing that bugs me about the AAT (apart from the flaws mentioned already) is the fact it needs a crew of droids to work . Couldn't the Trade Feds just design a tank with its own onboard autonomous AI to operate it? Would probably operate *a bit better* than the crew of apparently retarded battle droids... although it won't remove the vehicle's other design flaws.

[Madalrii]

Okay I lied, I can't stop myself

[Ea90]

I have never seen these before.

Certainly not in this thread.

I've seen the first several times here, but none of the others.

[The Akasha Colony]

Re-posting this because no one seemed to notice it:

Sentinel 2A1
(stats subject to change if too unrealistic or OP)

Armor:
-Hull: 700mm vs APFSDS, 890mm vs HEAT
-Turret: 780mm vs APFSDS, 1050mm vs HEAT

Armament:
-1x 120mm Nordentormetall L89 smoothbore gun
44 rounds
-1x 12.7mm KMG heavy machine gun
900 rounds
-2x 7.62mm MG3A1
4,750 rounds

Engine:
-Vekken 871 St-708b liquid-cooled V-12 Twin-turbo diesel engine
1491 hp at 2600 rpm

Weight: 62.8 tonnes
Power/weight: 24.2 PS/t
Transmission: Antinor ABL9 454
Suspension: Torsion bar
Fuel capacity: 1300 l
Range: 529km
Speed: 71 km/h

HEAT protection seems a bit light in comparison to APFSDS protection. CE protection is generally pretty easy to improve relative to KE protection. Modern western tanks can get nearly double your RHAe vs. CE values.

[Elan Valleys]

Finished a new tank in paint, how does it look?

Sentinel 2A1

MASSIVE roadwheels, mate.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Finished a new tank in paint, how does it look?

Sentinel 2A1

MASSIVE roadwheels, mate.

Also the drive sprocket seems to be... floating.. and tiny. Other than that, looks sweet.

[Lamoni]

I'm also none to sure about how well that the identification triangle will stand out against the paint job on this tank.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I personally prefer square/hexagon/stripe camouflage (basically anything with straight lines) as it makes the vehicle look far more "metal"

because fuck roads acquire defilade, amirite?

This is one of our somewhat newer light tanks. The D-ST Serpent.
Used to support troops on the battlefield, or as wonderful eyecatchers during the annual Brahwad Feast.

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Reasonably, you'd need at minimum two more road wheels.

Finished a new tank in paint, how does it look?

Sentinel 2A1

Needs a lot more ground clearance. Your drive sprocket should probably be as big or bigger than your road wheels.

If you mean 'MBT' as in a modern tank, then there's no point in a mid-mounted engine, since that means you have a needlessly long drive shaft to either the front or rear drive sprockets, and a big honking engine right in the middle of your fighting compartment where it will be more difficult to access for maintenance.

Okay, I can understand the point about the drive shaft, but are diesel-electric systems still too underdeveloped for MBT use?

Also, the engine is in front of the fighting compartment, but behind the driver's compartment. Despite being clear of both areas, the turret would most definitely have to be turned 90 degrees to open the engine access panels.

Forza's designed a diesel-electric drive. I supposedly have one, though not "designed" as such. They're not 'underdeveloped' at all, it should be extraordinarily simple to port the concept from trains to tanks.

Main Battle Tank

(Image)

Name: Aries MBT
Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)
Armor: Hull (turret) – 600 (780 mm) mm vs APFSDS, 800 mm (1,060 mm) vs HEAT
Length: Hull length: 26.02 ft (7.93 m) Width: 12 ft (3.66 m) Height:8 ft (2.44 m)
Max speed: Road 70 km/h / Off-road: 55 km/h Operation Ranger: 426 km (265 mi)
Primary Armament: 1x 105mm Adonis, 1x Autocrat-ACG
Secondary Armament: 2x Monarch-HMG, 6x grenade farm
Internal devices: Under turret cavity, Shielded Optics, Advanced ECCM suite, Hostile Sensor, Fire control directors, Adaptable rear cargo bin, Variable Stealth Profile "VASP" system, Emission control, stealth system, Low impact treads, Aircraft Hook points, Friction pads, inset house lighting, Rear access hatch, Shielded indicator lights, Streamlined Skirting, thermal expansion grooves, Multispec optics

Infantry Fighting Vehicles

(Image)

Name: Auriga IFV
Crew: 5
Armor: Steel-composite-reactive blend
Length: 6.96 m (22 ft 10 in) Width: 3.46 m (11 ft 4 in) Height: 2.10 m (6 ft 11 in)
Max speed: 65 km/h (40 mph) Operation Ranger: 426 km (265 mi)
Primary Armament: 2x Autocrat-ACG, 8x Sun Crusher Missiles
Secondary Armament: 1x Monarch-LMG, 2xAscendant-HSW
Internal devices: Under turret cavity, Shielded Optics, Advanced ECCM suite, Hostile Sensor, Fire control directors, Adaptable rear cargo bin, Variable Stealth Profile "VASP" system, Emission control, stealth system, Low impact treads, Aircraft Hook points, Friction pads, inset house lighting, Rear access hatch, Shielded indicator lights, Streamlined Skirting, thermal expansion grooves, Multispec optics

Armored Personnel Carriers

(Image)

Name: Taurus APC
Crew: 2, 12 passengers
Armor: 7.62 mm/14.5 mm resistant
Length:6.95 m (22 ft 10 in) Width:2.72 m (8 ft 11 in) Height: 2.64 m (8 ft 8 in)
Max speed: 100 km/h (62 mph) Operation Ranger: 500 km (310 mi)
Primary Armament: 1x Monarch-HMG or Ascendant-HSW mounted in a Protector (RWS) remote weapon station
Secondary Armament: 2x Monarch-LMG,
Internal devices:Under turret cavity, Shielded Optics, Advanced ECCM suite, Hostile Sensor, Fire control directors, Adaptable rear cargo bin, Variable Stealth Profile "VASP" system, Emission control, stealth system, Low impact treads, Aircraft Hook points, Friction pads, inset house lighting, Rear access hatch, Shielded indicator lights, Streamlined Skirting, thermal expansion grooves, Multispec optics,

Light Armored Vehicles

(Image)

Name: ??? Recon Assault Tank
Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Armor: IBD Modular Expandable Armor System
Length: 237 inches (6.0 m) Width:101 inches (2.6 m) Height:6 ft 102 inches (2.6 m)
Max speed: 73 mph Operation Range: 440 miles @ 40 mph
Primary Armament:
Secondary Armament:
Internal devices:

The Taurus has no gun depression and will struggle to engage targets over the front ~270 degrees or so.
It will also have no capability to climb obstacles and will struggle to cross trenches, losing most of the mobility being a tracked armoured vehicle grants you.

What are the advantages of a rear-mounted turret?

The ability to mount a larger gun with the same amount of front overhang.

Balancing out the normally front-heavy tank to allow for more stable cross-country performance.

Minor things like that. And I don understand that there ARE disadvantages, as with any design. But I thought it might be interesting to look at.

I'd have thought tanks were relatively decently balanced, in being 60t, with a two-and-a-bit ton gun barrel over the front, a whacking great turret assembly centre and whacking great engine rearward. Combined with the armour concentration focused forward and reduced rearward, it should be close to 50/50 balance. Anything else would probably impede mobility.

Main Battle Tank

(Image)

Name: Aries MBT
Crew: 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)
Armor: Hull (turret) – 600 (780 mm) mm vs APFSDS, 800 mm (1,060 mm) vs HEAT
Length: Hull length: 26.02 ft (7.93 m) Width: 12 ft (3.66 m) Height:8 ft (2.44 m)
Max speed: Road 70 km/h / Off-road: 55 km/h Operation Ranger: 426 km (265 mi)
Primary Armament: 1x 105mm Adonis, 1x Autocrat-ACG
Secondary Armament: 2x Monarch-HMG, 6x grenade farm
Internal devices: Under turret cavity, Shielded Optics, Advanced ECCM suite, Hostile Sensor, Fire control directors, Adaptable rear cargo bin, Variable Stealth Profile "VASP" system, Emission control, stealth system, Low impact treads, Aircraft Hook points, Friction pads, inset house lighting, Rear access hatch, Shielded indicator lights, Streamlined Skirting, thermal expansion grooves, Multispec optics

Infantry Fighting Vehicles

(Image)

Name: Auriga IFV
Crew: 5
Armor: Steel-composite-reactive blend
Length: 6.96 m (22 ft 10 in) Width: 3.46 m (11 ft 4 in) Height: 2.10 m (6 ft 11 in)
Max speed: 65 km/h (40 mph) Operation Ranger: 426 km (265 mi)
Primary Armament: 2x Autocrat-ACG, 8x Sun Crusher Missiles
Secondary Armament: 1x Monarch-LMG, 2xAscendant-HSW
Internal devices: Under turret cavity, Shielded Optics, Advanced ECCM suite, Hostile Sensor, Fire control directors, Adaptable rear cargo bin, Variable Stealth Profile "VASP" system, Emission control, stealth system, Low impact treads, Aircraft Hook points, Friction pads, inset house lighting, Rear access hatch, Shielded indicator lights, Streamlined Skirting, thermal expansion grooves, Multispec optics

Armored Personnel Carriers

(Image)

Name: Taurus APC
Crew: 2, 12 passengers
Armor: 7.62 mm/14.5 mm resistant
Length:6.95 m (22 ft 10 in) Width:2.72 m (8 ft 11 in) Height: 2.64 m (8 ft 8 in)
Max speed: 100 km/h (62 mph) Operation Ranger: 500 km (310 mi)
Primary Armament: 1x Monarch-HMG or Ascendant-HSW mounted in a Protector (RWS) remote weapon station
Secondary Armament: 2x Monarch-LMG,
Internal devices:Under turret cavity, Shielded Optics, Advanced ECCM suite, Hostile Sensor, Fire control directors, Adaptable rear cargo bin, Variable Stealth Profile "VASP" system, Emission control, stealth system, Low impact treads, Aircraft Hook points, Friction pads, inset house lighting, Rear access hatch, Shielded indicator lights, Streamlined Skirting, thermal expansion grooves, Multispec optics,

Light Armored Vehicles

(Image)

Name: ??? Recon Assault Tank
Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)
Armor: IBD Modular Expandable Armor System
Length: 237 inches (6.0 m) Width:101 inches (2.6 m) Height:6 ft 102 inches (2.6 m)
Max speed: 73 mph Operation Range: 440 miles @ 40 mph
Primary Armament:
Secondary Armament:
Internal devices:

I have never seen these before.

Certainly not in this thread.

The MBT has been repeatedly posted over this thread and its previous.

[The Kievan People]

I'm also none to sure about how well that the identification triangle will stand out against the paint job on this tank.

I can barely see the lines on my monitor.

[Kalmarium]

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HEAT protection seems a bit light in comparison to APFSDS protection. CE protection is generally pretty easy to improve relative to KE protection. Modern western tanks can get nearly double your RHAe vs. CE values.

So what's a good point to raise it too?

[Bajireyn]

It's time to put a really big fella in here.

Oh yes!, Armored assault tank time!

This big guy has a rather long reload time on the missiles, fair reload time on the turret. Plus, it's big!

The larger the tank the larger the target.

That thing would get brutally raped by any proper FT hovertank.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

It's time to put a really big fella in here.

Oh yes!, Armored assault tank time!

This big guy has a rather long reload time on the missiles, fair reload time on the turret. Plus, it's big!

The larger the tank the larger the target.

That thing would get brutally raped by any proper FT hovertank.

Considering I consider 'hovertank' to more accurately describe attack helicopters and ground attack aircraft, yes it certainly would.