Child Dies After Parents Take a Prayer-Only Approach

[Ostroeuropa]

Absolutely.

But it's still completely inhumane.

Fuck, I'm for the death penalty in very extreme cases (terrorism, treason, etc), but good lord. Criminals are still humans too, we don't need to mutilate their bodies to make a point.

They really ought to change the name. Chemical Castration does not actually involve surgical alteration of the body. They're essentially given drugs that reduce their libido/make it more difficult for them to get physically aroused.

A chemical lobotomy is still a lobotomy.

[Myrensis]

They really ought to change the name. Chemical Castration does not actually involve surgical alteration of the body. They're essentially given drugs that reduce their libido/make it more difficult for them to get physically aroused.

A chemical lobotomy is still a lobotomy.

So do you oppose state-mandated medication for people with mental problems who commit crimes?

[Natair]

They really ought to change the name. Chemical Castration does not actually involve surgical alteration of the body. They're essentially given drugs that reduce their libido/make it more difficult for them to get physically aroused.

Which is still a violation of bodily sovereignty.

Can we discuss the morality of chemical castration in a separate topic? Unless your suggesting it is done to these parents, it's not really related to this, and I don't want to see Nervun's mod hat again. It's a scary thing, the wrath of the mod hat.

[Ostroeuropa]

A chemical lobotomy is still a lobotomy.

So do you oppose state-mandated medication for people with mental problems who commit crimes?

To an extent.
They shouldn't be forced to do it. But then again, they are crazy. Their consent is unavailable. They need to be medicated to be able to consent to anything.
So you can force crazy people to take their medicine. They are incapable of consent, so it falls to their guardian to decide.
While they are sane, they can decide to quit their meds if they like.
...
But then they become crazy, so you can force them to take them. And if they are a danger to society and others, they can be committed.

[The Serbian Empire]

This is terrible and the First Century Gospel Church needs to lose it's tax exempt status as it's killing children.

[Romano-Germanic Empire]

I'm a devout Catholic, but the only thing I can really say to this is: Christian science doesn't work dumbass!

[The Sector Union]

Okay? They could have been doing anything. It's simply child neglect. Nothing more. IF the couple was playing video games, do we have to ban video games because the child was unattended?


I guess when religion takes the cake, it's suddenly become a controversy.

[Lafayette Ronald Hubbard]

natural selection, hard at work.

[Wisconsin9]

natural selection, hard at work.

The kid had nothing to do with it, the parents did. And they have seven surviving children. So, no, not really.

[Saint Jade IV]

They wouldn't be charged with a crime. It's a preventative custody arrangement.

If they have allowed 2 children of theirs to die the same way, why not charge them criminally? Why use a preventative custody arrangement? Have these ever been used before?

I don't know what they are called, but a few of my parents had them implemented. Basically it means that they are so neglectful/abusive/dangerous that they pose too heavy a risk to any new children, so their newborns are taken away as they are born.

[Freedom of United Trevor]

I wonder what the abortion doctor would think of this?

[Frisivisia]

I wonder what the abortion doctor would think of this?

They'd probably agree that medical procedures are good. Being a doctor, you know. Who does legitimate medicine.

[Saint Jade IV]

Okay? They could have been doing anything. It's simply child neglect. Nothing more. IF the couple was playing video games, do we have to ban video games because the child was unattended?


I guess when religion takes the cake, it's suddenly become a controversy.

If the couple was playing video games and this resulted in the death of two of their children from neglect, then they should no longer be permitted to have custody of their current or future children.

I didn't see anyone suggest we ban religion.

[Frisivisia]

Okay? They could have been doing anything. It's simply child neglect. Nothing more. IF the couple was playing video games, do we have to ban video games because the child was unattended?


I guess when religion takes the cake, it's suddenly become a controversy.

If a couple was so entrenched in video games that they couldn't be bothered to tend to their children, I'd probably have their kids taken away.

[Saint Jade IV]

I wonder what the abortion doctor would think of this?

I'm not sure why his opinion would be relevant?

Also, I don't know how things are done in the states, but here, there is no such thing as an "abortion doctor". There is no specialisation in abortion. Generally, doctors who perform abortions are specialists in reproductive medicine or OBGYNs. Seems rather difficult to make a decent income from such a narrow specialisation.

[Frisivisia]

I wonder what the abortion doctor would think of this?

I'm not sure why his opinion would be relevant?

Also, I don't know how things are done in the states, but here, there is no such thing as an "abortion doctor". There is no specialisation in abortion. Generally, doctors who perform abortions are specialists in reproductive medicine or OBGYNs. Seems rather difficult to make a decent income from such a narrow specialisation.

"I'm a double kidney transplant doctor."

"But can't you just do one? We can save this man!"

"Nope. It's both, or I don't do it."

[Desperate Measures]

I wonder what the abortion doctor would think of this?

Where are you going with that golden train of thought?

[Cosara]

And so begins another religious argument.

[Avenio]

Where are you going with that golden train of thought?

He's taking the Backpedal Express, so he's presumably going to Desperatedeflectionville.

EDIT: By the looks of this thread, he's going to have difficulty finding a seat.

[The God-Realm]

natural selection, hard at work.

Says LRH.

[Pope Joan]

Hospitals and doctors kill people. A great percentage of the illnesses they treat were received at the hospital; they were not the presenting problem.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine ... deaths.htm

"The fact is that the US population does not have any-
where near the best health in the world. Of 13 countries in
a recent comparison,
3
the United States ranks an average of
12th (second from the bottom) for 16 available health in-
dicators.
The health care system also may
contribute to poor health through its adverse effects. For
example, US estimates
8-10
of the combined effect of errors
and adverse effects that occur because of iatrogenic dam-
age not associated with recognizable error include:
• 12 000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
• 7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
• 20 000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals."

- Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH


http://www.drug-education.info/documents/iatrogenic.pdf

[Farnhamia]

Hospitals and doctors kill people. A great percentage of the illnesses they treat were received at the hospital; they were not the presenting problem.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine ... deaths.htm

"The fact is that the US population does not have any-
where near the best health in the world. Of 13 countries in
a recent comparison,
3
the United States ranks an average of
12th (second from the bottom) for 16 available health in-
dicators.
The health care system also may
contribute to poor health through its adverse effects. For
example, US estimates
8-10
of the combined effect of errors
and adverse effects that occur because of iatrogenic dam-
age not associated with recognizable error include:
• 12 000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
• 7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
• 20 000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals."

- Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH


http://www.drug-education.info/documents/iatrogenic.pdf

Interesting site, http://www.ourcivilisation.com/. I especially liked the part where Philip Atkinson says that a society unwilling to inflict genocide will suffer genocide. Is this the same man who said we should make George W. Bush president for life and that we should empty Iraq of Arabs and colonize the country with Americans?

[Cosara]

Hospitals and doctors kill people. A great percentage of the illnesses they treat were received at the hospital; they were not the presenting problem.
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine ... deaths.htm

"The fact is that the US population does not have any-
where near the best health in the world. Of 13 countries in
a recent comparison,
3
the United States ranks an average of
12th (second from the bottom) for 16 available health in-
dicators.
The health care system also may
contribute to poor health through its adverse effects. For
example, US estimates
8-10
of the combined effect of errors
and adverse effects that occur because of iatrogenic dam-
age not associated with recognizable error include:
• 12 000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
• 7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
• 20 000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals."

- Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH


http://www.drug-education.info/documents/iatrogenic.pdf

Interesting site, http://www.ourcivilisation.com/. I especially liked the part where Philip Atkinson says that a society unwilling to inflict genocide will suffer genocide. Is this the same man who said we should make George W. Bush president for life and that we should empty Iraq of Arabs and colonize the country with Americans?

At least he doesn't want Dubya to be Eternal President.

[Reploid Productions]

Which really doesn't have much to do with the thread topic about a set of parents who are responsible for the deaths of two of their children through neglect induced by their religious beliefs...

[Lorkhan]

"Everything is permissible in good conscious." - 1st Corinthians 10:23 - 11-1