NSG Senate Coffee Shop (OLD THREAD, DO NOT POST)

[Geilinor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hino_Nacional_Brasileiro_instrumental.ogg

Too uptight.

I've joined your party by the way.

Welcome to the party.

[Camelza]

Too uptight.

I've joined your party by the way.

Welcome to the party.

It's my pleasure to be a part of it!

I assume Aurentina is the name of the 'nation' we are in?

Well, what about this?

Aurentina, dear Aurentina Our land of the pure and free

The "pure" part wrecks it for me.

[Old Tyrannia]

I still think we should use the music for la Marche de Henri IV. Could someone please write some lyrics to go with it? We could call it "la Marche de l'Aurentines".

[Geilinor]

Is being a republic extreme or something? What is this, the 18th century?

The powers the head of state has are more authoritarian than the monarchists proposed bill for a constitutional monarchy.

At least there's a set term limit.

[The Rebel Alliances]

Seems my song was ignored...

[Aquitayne]

I still think we should use the music for la Marche de Henri IV. Could someone please write some lyrics to go with it? We could call it "la Marche de l'Aurentines".

(at 0:15)

Aurentines,
The land of hope and free,
Our majestic home of humility;

Prosperous and clean,
The land of hope and free,
Righteous peoples for all to see.

We call this land our home,
We call this house our blessing,
We come to all with open arms
And hearts full of plenty.

(at 1:00)

Aurentines!
Our humble home and land!
Aurentines,
Our hope will never falter!
Our namesake and our home
Will never once falter!


Using this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXXdOqaI4mc

That's all I got so far, anyone else is open to try. I think it melds quite well.

[Great Nepal]

Since the militaristic (awesome) one was ignored, here is peace and happy version... again, ripped off.

Woven from hundreds of flowers, we are one garland that's Aurentine
Spread sovereign from <insert border towns in extremities>
A playground for nature's wealth unending
Out of the sacrifice of our braves, a nation free and unyielding
A land of knowledge, of peace, the plains, hills and mountains tall
Indivisible, this beloved land of ours, our motherland
Of many races, languages, religions, and cultures of incredible sprawl
This progressive nation of ours,
All hail Aurentina!

[Imperiatom]

The powers the head of state has are more authoritarian than the monarchists proposed bill for a constitutional monarchy.

At least there's a set term limit.

When has a monarchy ever had a term limit? That's such an obvious comment and bad logic.

[Imperiatom]

I still think we should use the music for la Marche de Henri IV. Could someone please write some lyrics to go with it? We could call it "la Marche de l'Aurentines".

(at 0:15)

Aurentines,
The land of hope and free,
Our majestic home of humility;

Prosperous and clean,
The land of hope and free,
Righteous peoples for all to see.

We call this land our home,
We call this house our blessing,
We come to all with open arms
And hearts full of plenty.

(at 1:00)

Aurentines!
Our humble home and land!
Aurentines,
Our hope will never falter!
Our namesake and our home
Will never once falter!


Using this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXXdOqaI4mc

That's all I got so far, anyone else is open to try. I think it melds quite well.

An Argentinean like name and a french song! This is a fucking disaster lol.

[Silent Majority]

Since there is no tradition of monarchy here in our nation, it is pointless to establish one. Rather, we would consider it much more fruitful to establish the NSG State as a pluralist, democratic republic, and to that end the Communist Party proposes establishing an executive that shall take into account the necessity of coalition building.

Executive Office

Be it enacted by the Senate of NSG, a constitutional bill to establish the executive offices of state:

I. The executive power of the NSG state shall be vested in a Council of Ministers, consisting of a President and various Ministers of State.
- A. The President shall be elected by the Senate, and shall hold the office only with the confidence of the Senate.
- B. Ministers shall be elected by the Senate upon the proposal of the President, and shall hold office only with the confidence of the Senate.
II. Any person serving as a Senator shall be eligible to hold executive office.
- A. The President shall old office for a term not exceeding one month. One month after the previous election, the Senate shall hold elections for the office of President, but neither the sitting President nor previous Presidents shall be barred from election.
- B. The President and executive Ministers shall maintain their privileges as Senators while holding office.
III. The Council of Ministers shall enforce the laws ratified by the Senate.
-A. The President shall have the power to dismiss Ministers from the Council.
-B. The President shall be the chief executive, and the commander-in-chief of the defense forces of the state.
-C. Ministers shall hold executive powers according to their portfolio as established by law.
IV. If at any time the Council of Ministers loses the confidence of the Senate, they must resign immediately, holding office only until new executive officers can be elected.

This looks good to me

[Cosara]

We have finally reached what you could call middle ground and came up with this. Please vote for it in the Coffee shop and Chamber, because this is the best we've gotten so far.

EXECUTIVE ACT

Strenght: Strong | Drafted By: Cosara, Imperiatom, Irredento

Believing that it is impossible for a Government to function properly without Executive Officers.

Establishing a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy, in which the Monarch acts as Head of State and the Prime Senator acts as Head of Government.

Monarch:
*First Monarch is to be elected by the Senate. The Monarch shall pick his/her sucessor. The Monarch shall be able to serve until death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), resignation or removal by the Senate through a Motion of No Confidence. When the Monarch leaves the throne, the Monarch's picked sucessor must be voted on by the Senate. If a margin of 75% of the Senate opposes the sucessor, the sucessor is refused and a new election for Monarch is called. If a margin lower than 75% opposes, the Monarch's sucessor is accepted.
*The Monarch shall be the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces.
*The Monarch shall have the power to veto bills that did not pass the Senate with 10% over the opposition (IE, if 10% more are for it than are against it, the Monarch is forced to sign the bill, however if anything below that margin is open to being vetoed by the Monarch). The Monarch's veto can be overruled by the Senate through a 75% vote to do so.


Prime Senator:
*The Prime Senator shall be elected by the Senate to a term of 1 month and shall be able to serve unlimited non-consecutive terms, though shall not be allowed to serve consecutive terms.
*The Prime Senator can be removed from office at any time by means of death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), a Vote of No Confidence in the Senate or resignation.
*The Prime Senator shall have the responsibility of overseeing Senatorial process, keeping track of passed bills and giving bills to the Monarch to be either signed or vetoed.

[The Realm of God]

We have finally reached what you could call middle ground and came up with this. Please vote for it in the Coffee shop and Chamber, because this is the best we've gotten so far.

EXECUTIVE ACT

Strenght: Strong | Drafted By: Cosara, Imperiatom, Irredento

Believing that it is impossible for a Government to function properly without Executive Officers.

Establishing a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy, in which the Monarch acts as Head of State and the Prime Senator acts as Head of Government.

Monarch:
*First Monarch is to be elected by the Senate. The Monarch shall pick his/her sucessor. The Monarch shall be able to serve until death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), resignation or removal by the Senate through a Motion of No Confidence. When the Monarch leaves the throne, the Monarch's picked sucessor must be voted on by the Senate. If a margin of 75% of the Senate opposes the sucessor, the sucessor is refused and a new election for Monarch is called. If a margin lower than 75% opposes, the Monarch's sucessor is accepted.
*The Monarch shall be the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces.
*The Monarch shall have the power to veto bills that did not pass the Senate with 10% over the opposition (IE, if 10% more are for it than are against it, the Monarch is forced to sign the bill, however if anything below that margin is open to being vetoed by the Monarch). The Monarch's veto can be overruled by the Senate through a 75% vote to do so.


Prime Senator:
*The Prime Senator shall be elected by the Senate to a term of 1 month and shall be able to serve unlimited non-consecutive terms, though shall not be allowed to serve consecutive terms.
*The Prime Senator can be removed from office at any time by means of death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), a Vote of No Confidence in the Senate or resignation.
*The Prime Senator shall have the responsibility of overseeing Senatorial process, keeping track of passed bills and giving bills to the Monarch to be either signed or vetoed.

I voice my approval.

[Gordano and Lysandus]

I can get behind this act. It has my support and, as you know, I'll try to muster backing from the Red-Greens.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Reposting my objections.

EXECUTIVE ACT

Strenght: Strong | Drafted By: Cosara, Imperiatom, Irredento

Believing that it is impossible for a Government to function properly without Executive Officers.

Meh.

Establishing a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy, in which the Monarch acts as Head of State and the Prime Senator acts as Head of Government.

Bad idea.

Monarch:
*First Monarch is to be elected by the Senate. The Monarch shall pick his/her sucessor.

This is a terrible idea, because you're propagating an undemocratic system whereby the people don't choose their leaders.

The Monarch shall be able to serve until death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), resignation or removal by the Senate through a Motion of No Confidence.

Also a bad idea, because it essentially allows someone to rule in perpetuity without elections if they keep 26% support.

When the Monarch leaves the throne, the Monarch's picked successor must be voted on by the Senate. If a margin of 75% of the Senate opposes the successor, the successor is refused and a new election for Monarch is called. If a margin lower than 75% opposes, the Monarch's successor is accepted.

A system in which someone can be elected with 26% support and 74% direct opposition is not democratic.

*The Monarch shall be the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces.

What could possibly go wrong with putting someone whose continued reign depends on prestige in charge of the military?

*The Monarch shall have the power to veto bills that did not pass the Senate with 10% over the opposition (IE, if 10% more are for it than are against it, the Monarch is forced to sign the bill, however if anything below that margin is open to being vetoed by the Monarch).

"Well, yes, your bill passed the Senate with 59% support, but I don't like you or it, so screw democracy, it's vetoed."

If it's then voted through again with 59% approval, it's vetoed again. That is not democratic.

Prime Senator:
*The Prime Senator shall be elected by the Senate to a term of 1 month and shall be able to serve unlimited non-consecutive terms, though shall not be allowed to serve consecutive terms.
*The Prime Senator can be removed from office at any time by means of death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), a Vote of No Confidence in the Senate or resignation.
*The Prime Senator shall have the responsibility of overseeing Senatorial process, keeping track of passed bills and giving bills to the Monarch to be either signed or vetoed.

So the Prime Senator has little to no actual power.

[Great Nepal]

We have finally reached what you could call middle ground and came up with this. Please vote for it in the Coffee shop and Chamber, because this is the best we've gotten so far.

EXECUTIVE ACT

Strenght: Strong | Drafted By: Cosara, Imperiatom, Irredento

Believing that it is impossible for a Government to function properly without Executive Officers.

Establishing a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy, in which the Monarch acts as Head of State and the Prime Senator acts as Head of Government.

Monarch:
*First Monarch is to be elected by the Senate. The Monarch shall pick his/her sucessor. The Monarch shall be able to serve until death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), resignation or removal by the Senate through a Motion of No Confidence. When the Monarch leaves the throne, the Monarch's picked sucessor must be voted on by the Senate. If a margin of 75% of the Senate opposes the sucessor, the sucessor is refused and a new election for Monarch is called. If a margin lower than 75% opposes, the Monarch's sucessor is accepted.
*The Monarch shall be the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces.
*The Monarch shall have the power to veto bills that did not pass the Senate with 10% over the opposition (IE, if 10% more are for it than are against it, the Monarch is forced to sign the bill, however if anything below that margin is open to being vetoed by the Monarch). The Monarch's veto can be overruled by the Senate through a 75% vote to do so.


Prime Senator:
*The Prime Senator shall be elected by the Senate to a term of 1 month and shall be able to serve unlimited non-consecutive terms, though shall not be allowed to serve consecutive terms.
*The Prime Senator can be removed from office at any time by means of death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), a Vote of No Confidence in the Senate or resignation.
*The Prime Senator shall have the responsibility of overseeing Senatorial process, keeping track of passed bills and giving bills to the Monarch to be either signed or vetoed.

Where's cabinet?

[Vazdania]

We have finally reached what you could call middle ground and came up with this. Please vote for it in the Coffee shop and Chamber, because this is the best we've gotten so far.

EXECUTIVE ACT

Strenght: Strong | Drafted By: Cosara, Imperiatom, Irredento

Believing that it is impossible for a Government to function properly without Executive Officers.

Establishing a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy, in which the Monarch acts as Head of State and the Prime Senator acts as Head of Government.

Monarch:
*First Monarch is to be elected by the Senate. The Monarch shall pick his/her sucessor. The Monarch shall be able to serve until death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), resignation or removal by the Senate through a Motion of No Confidence. When the Monarch leaves the throne, the Monarch's picked sucessor must be voted on by the Senate. If a margin of 75% of the Senate opposes the sucessor, the sucessor is refused and a new election for Monarch is called. If a margin lower than 75% opposes, the Monarch's sucessor is accepted.
*The Monarch shall be the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces.
*The Monarch shall have the power to veto bills that did not pass the Senate with 10% over the opposition (IE, if 10% more are for it than are against it, the Monarch is forced to sign the bill, however if anything below that margin is open to being vetoed by the Monarch). The Monarch's veto can be overruled by the Senate through a 75% vote to do so.


Prime Senator:
*The Prime Senator shall be elected by the Senate to a term of 1 month and shall be able to serve unlimited non-consecutive terms, though shall not be allowed to serve consecutive terms.
*The Prime Senator can be removed from office at any time by means of death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), a Vote of No Confidence in the Senate or resignation.
*The Prime Senator shall have the responsibility of overseeing Senatorial process, keeping track of passed bills and giving bills to the Monarch to be either signed or vetoed.

I definitely approve of this

[Gordano and Lysandus]

Yeah, you forgot Cabinet - over which I suggest the Prime Senator has ultimately authority. It is his team of ministers.

[Great Nepal]

Yeah, you forgot Cabinet - over which I suggest the Prime Senator has ultimately authority. It is his team of ministers.

Yea, after this I will get behind the proposal... although I still insist prime senator be called consul.

[The IASM]

Reposting my objections.

Meh.



Bad idea.



Partly agree.



Disagree


Disagree


I agree here


Limits.



So the Prime Senator has little to no actual power.

[Vazdania]

We have finally reached what you could call middle ground and came up with this. Please vote for it in the Coffee shop and Chamber, because this is the best we've gotten so far.

EXECUTIVE ACT

Strenght: Strong | Drafted By: Cosara, Imperiatom, Irredento

Believing that it is impossible for a Government to function properly without Executive Officers.

Establishing a Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy, in which the Monarch acts as Head of State and the Prime Senator acts as Head of Government.

Monarch:
*First Monarch is to be elected by the Senate. The Monarch shall pick his/her sucessor. The Monarch shall be able to serve until death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), resignation or removal by the Senate through a Motion of No Confidence. When the Monarch leaves the throne, the Monarch's picked sucessor must be voted on by the Senate. If a margin of 75% of the Senate opposes the sucessor, the sucessor is refused and a new election for Monarch is called. If a margin lower than 75% opposes, the Monarch's sucessor is accepted.
*The Monarch shall be the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces.
*The Monarch shall have the power to veto bills that did not pass the Senate with 10% over the opposition (IE, if 10% more are for it than are against it, the Monarch is forced to sign the bill, however if anything below that margin is open to being vetoed by the Monarch). The Monarch's veto can be overruled by the Senate through a 75% vote to do so.


Prime Senator:
*The Prime Senator shall be elected by the Senate to a term of 1 month and shall be able to serve unlimited non-consecutive terms, though shall not be allowed to serve consecutive terms.
*The Prime Senator can be removed from office at any time by means of death (being inactive for a week or more without good reason), a Vote of No Confidence in the Senate or resignation.
*The Prime Senator shall have the responsibility of overseeing Senatorial process, keeping track of passed bills and giving bills to the Monarch to be either signed or vetoed.

Where's cabinet?

That'll be determined with another act...

[Old Tyrannia]

Mine and Finium's alternative (read: vastly superior) version of the bill:

Bill for the Establishment of a National Head of State

When, in the course of national events, it becomes necessary to establish an executive officer to act in the stead of the people as the representative of their interests in foreign realms, to act as their protector and to enact the policies of their duly elected representatives, this body has seen fit to establish the title of His or Her Majesty the King or Queen, and invest in this person the sovereignty of our state, as the living embodiment of the nation and first servant of its people.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to provide for the calling forth of the armed forces and will be entrusted with all the powers of the commander in chief of the armed forces.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to veto any act of the Senate not achieving a two-thirds majority, which shall then be reviewed by the Senate.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to act in behalf of the people in foreign realms and to receive and treat with foreign envoys.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to appoint envoys to foreign realms and organizations with the approval of the senate.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to enforce actions of the senate with appropriate force.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to abdicate at such a time that he finds himself unable to carry out his duties.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to select a designated heir, who shall be allowed to use the title of Crown Prince or Princess, and shall be formally adopted by the reigning sovereign so that the next monarch is in theory the son or daughter of the preceding monarch.

The Sovereign shall be styled as "His/Her Majesty" and addressed as "Your Majesty", and henceforth as "Sire/Highness", and his designated heir should be styled "His/Her Highness", and addressed as "Your Highness", and henceforth as "Sir/Madame".

Upon the death of the Sovereign, His or Her Majesty's successor must be elected by a plurality of the fully convened Senate.

By convention, the Senate shall elect as monarch the previous monarch's designated heir and adoptive son/daughter, however each Party may if it wishes nominate an alternative candidate and the Senate may choose to elect an alternative candidate and thus establish a new royal house and dynasty if it believes the designated heir to the throne is unsuitable.

Following the presentation of the candidates, the Senate shall recess for a proper period to consider the candidates at the end of which, each senator will be given the opportunity to cast his or her vote in favour of any of the candidates.

The Senate reserves the right to proclaim a ruling monarch unfit to rule and therefore force his or her immediate and involuntary abdication and begin a new election for the next monarch. Such a motion requires a majority of two thirds or more in the Senate.

[The Realm of God]

Yeah, you forgot Cabinet - over which I suggest the Prime Senator has ultimately authority. It is his team of ministers.

The Cabinet should be formed in a later Legislative Act. This is the Executive Act

[Vazdania]

Mine and Finium's alternative (read: vastly superior) version of the bill:

Bill for the Establishment of a National Head of State

When, in the course of national events, it becomes necessary to establish an executive officer to act in the stead of the people as the representative of their interests in foreign realms, to act as their protector and to enact the policies of their duly elected representatives, this body has seen fit to establish the title of His or Her Majesty the King or Queen, and invest in this person the sovereignty of our state, as the living embodiment of the nation and first servant of its people.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to provide for the calling forth of the armed forces and will be entrusted with all the powers of the commander in chief of the armed forces.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to veto any act of the Senate not achieving a two-thirds majority, which shall then be reviewed by the Senate.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to act in behalf of the people in foreign realms and to receive and treat with foreign envoys.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to appoint envoys to foreign realms and organizations with the approval of the senate.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to enforce actions of the senate with appropriate force.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to abdicate at such a time that he finds himself unable to carry out his duties.

The Sovereign shall be empowered to select a designated heir, who shall be allowed to use the title of Crown Prince or Princess, and shall be formally adopted by the reigning sovereign so that the next monarch is in theory the son or daughter of the preceding monarch.

The Sovereign shall be styled as "His/Her Majesty" and addressed as "Your Majesty", and henceforth as "Sire/Highness", and his designated heir should be styled "His/Her Highness", and addressed as "Your Highness", and henceforth as "Sir/Madame".

Upon the death of the Sovereign, His or Her Majesty's successor must be elected by a plurality of the fully convened Senate.

By convention, the Senate shall elect as monarch the previous monarch's designated heir and adoptive son/daughter, however each Party may if it wishes nominate an alternative candidate and the Senate may choose to elect an alternative candidate and thus establish a new royal house and dynasty if it believes the designated heir to the throne is unsuitable.

Following the presentation of the candidates, the Senate shall recess for a proper period to consider the candidates at the end of which, each senator will be given the opportunity to cast his or her vote in favour of any of the candidates.

The Senate reserves the right to proclaim a ruling monarch unfit to rule and therefore force his or her immediate and involuntary abdication and begin a new election for the next monarch. Such a motion requires a majority of two thirds or more in the Senate.

I support this one as well.

[Gordano and Lysandus]

I actually very much like the new act posted by OT. My full support!

[Cosara]

Yeah, you forgot Cabinet - over which I suggest the Prime Senator has ultimately authority. It is his team of ministers.

The Cabinet should be formed in a later Legislative Act. This is the Executive Act

^This. If this passes, we'll elect our executives then get to work assembling a cabinet.