Yes. And thoroughly disputed afterwards. It was a fascinating conversation. You should check it out, and post again if you have something new to add to the debate.
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by Yumyumsuppertime » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:29 pm
by Dracoria » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:31 pm
Uelvan wrote:Geilinor wrote:OK,now what about people with genetic disabilities who have children, knowing full well that their children could likely have the same disability?
I've covered that earlier in my argument, stating it would be unethical and immoral to deny anyone the right to breed based off of genes they have no control over.
by Person012345 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:54 pm
Dracoria wrote:Uelvan wrote:
I've covered that earlier in my argument, stating it would be unethical and immoral to deny anyone the right to breed based off of genes they have no control over.
Being directly related is a genetic condition as well, and one not under the control of those born in the situation.
by Dracoria » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:59 pm
by Person012345 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:01 pm
Dracoria wrote:Person012345 wrote:Saying "you can't breed with HIM" is not the same as saying "you can't breed".
The real question here isn't breeding, it's marriage. The breeding part is technically legal already. In this case, as odd as it seems, restricting who one can marry based on one's genes may actually tie the situation into the debate on homosexual marriage and...
...Oh God, I invoked the slippery slope.
...I also invoked God.
by Dracoria » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:19 pm
Person012345 wrote:Dracoria wrote:
The real question here isn't breeding, it's marriage. The breeding part is technically legal already. In this case, as odd as it seems, restricting who one can marry based on one's genes may actually tie the situation into the debate on homosexual marriage and...
...Oh God, I invoked the slippery slope.
...I also invoked God.
I thought the conversation I was replying to was about breeding?
by Soufrika » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:41 pm
by Liriena » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:47 pm
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by Dracoria » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:49 pm
Liriena wrote:OP, you should be ashamed. I had assumed that, by this point, even the most homophobic users in NSG would have known better than to ask a question as inherently inane as "why not marry a dog".
Non-humans are not people. They can't get married to a human.
Now...siblings and parents? We could actually allow such a thing, but only if it is properly regulated, taking into account how such relationships often involve abuse.
by Screensaver » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:51 pm
by Cannot think of a name » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:51 pm
Solmakia wrote:I feel like It's going to come up sooner or later.
by Liriena » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:53 pm
Dracoria wrote:Liriena wrote:OP, you should be ashamed. I had assumed that, by this point, even the most homophobic users in NSG would have known better than to ask a question as inherently inane as "why not marry a dog".
Non-humans are not people. They can't get married to a human.
Now...siblings and parents? We could actually allow such a thing, but only if it is properly regulated, taking into account how such relationships often involve abuse.
Oh come on. The next generation'll be more open to nonhuman marriages. In fact, Twilight takes us into a world of...Wait, is that interspecies relations or necrophilia?
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by Dracoria » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:57 pm
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by Dracoria » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:00 pm
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by Liriena » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:01 pm
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by Conkerials » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:08 pm
Gandoor wrote:People marrying animals won't be allowed because animals DO NOT HAVE LEGAL RIGHTS.
by Conkerials » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:13 pm
by The Democratic Republic of Davida » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:13 pm
by Agymnum » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:20 pm
Conkerials wrote:Agymnum wrote:
Gays and blacks are sapient. Animals are not, to our knowledge.
If they were, and capable of signing legal contracts and understanding them, I don't see the issue.
I'm sure someone would find a way to get animals to get civil rights, in way, to get them to be able to make their own decisions some how. I personally find liberalism* disgusting in that sense, some people take it too far. When I say 'take it too far' I am not referring to blacks or gays... More so to bestiality or incest.
*I really mean Ultra-liberalism
by Dracoria » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:22 pm
Agymnum wrote:Conkerials wrote:I'm sure someone would find a way to get animals to get civil rights, in way, to get them to be able to make their own decisions some how. I personally find liberalism* disgusting in that sense, some people take it too far. When I say 'take it too far' I am not referring to blacks or gays... More so to bestiality or incest.
*I really mean Ultra-liberalism
I'm an ultra-liberal, if you can't tell by my political compass.
And so long as animals don't understand legal documentation and display sapience (which the closest we've come are dolphins and some great apes, who are still a long ways off) they don't have equal rights with humans. Trust me on this one.
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