Main Military Weapon of Your Country, Type-9 [Read OP pl0x]

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Yes.
Wasn't the rifle that was based on supposed to use helical mags or something?

[Puzikas]

Puzikas, would you happen to know what this word means?
сверхдальнобойная
It appeared on a Russian article on the Koksan SPG, as a descriptor. Google offers no translation, only a romanisation to sverhdalnoboynaya.

Funnily enough, would you happen to know anything about the Koksan's gun? Global Security theorises that the odd calibre (170mm) could be telling of a previous existence as Russian naval gun or coastal artillery. Being in the Naval Infantry, I wouldn't know if you'd know all that much about navy artillery, but always worth a shot, aye

Ready to laugh?
Thats a typo.
"Super long range", or "Extreme range"

As for the Koksan, you dont mean that damned North Korean Artillery gun, do you?
If you do...well...heh.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I think it looks beautiful and want to take the concept - a lolhueg 170mm long-barrel gun on a tank chassis (the 1978 one, the 1989 version is mounted on something resembling an MTLB and looks nowhere near as cool) - and use it as an NBC-lobbing artillery piece.

In fairness, it was combat proven in the Iran-Iraq War. The Iranians used it to shell Iraqi artillery positions and staging areas well to the rear, on account of their 60km range - to great effect, so it was reported.
It's also quite interesting in the '78 model utilising a pepperpot muzzle brake, which is supposedly a highly efficient design on large-calibre guns.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Now with appropriately sized mag release. I originally posted it in the ground vehicles thread. Boy did I feel awkward.

[Puzikas]

I think it looks beautiful and want to take the concept - a lolhueg 170mm long-barrel gun on a tank chassis - and use it as an NBC-lobbing artillery piece.

Heres everything I know about it.


The first use of it was in the Iran-Iraq war and with good effect. It has a very long range, but a immensely slow rate of fire due to the nature of the Norths manufacturing ability. Janes is correct and incorrect: The Type 59 chassis was the base, but the T-62s chassis also saw some use. It has a tendency to actually break when firing on occasion. The gun itself I believe is a Russian naval gun that was used on a coastal and large naval battery. While I wasn't a historical officer I always found the stuff cool, and the 170mm battery escapes my brain as to what it was used for specifically, though if I had to take a guess it was from the 1940s to the 60s. The guns rear stabilizers are both something like 183kg or so. The muzzle device is based of the 152mm break for the ISU and the like. The ammunition is really big. Its top speed is closer ot 42 or 48 km/h. Its crew is...9? A driver, three loaders, a gunner, an assistant gunner, a radioman, an technician, and a commander. I think. The range of 60km is accurate, but stretching it. 55km would be more appropriate.

[Liugark]

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Now with appropriately sized mag release. I originally posted it in the ground vehicles thread. Boy did I feel awkward.

What cartridge does the weapon use ?

[Yes Im Biop]

Interesting thing. I am now holding 2 .38 Spec bullet's i fired 10 min's ago. I can see why the police upgraded to .357... After 1 inch of fiber board and 2 1/10th slices of aluminium it was stopped by the 2nd piece of fiber board.
The other completely in shape was stopped dead on the ground after digging through 3 inches of fiber board.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

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Now with appropriately sized mag release. I originally posted it in the ground vehicles thread. Boy did I feel awkward.

What cartridge does the weapon use ?

Type:	General Purpose
Designer:	Ministry of Defense, Matriarchy of Nirvash Type TheEND
In Use:	Data here!
Parent Case:	.280 British
Case Type:	Rifle
Bullet Diameter:	7mm
Neck Diameter:	8mm
Shoulder Diameter:	11.4mm
Base Diameter:	11.9mm
Rim Diameter:	12mm
Rim Thickness:	2mm
Case Length:	47mm
Overall Length:	69mm

Trying out Corda's table.

[Liugark]

Ah cool, was wondering because that mag release looks quite big.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

What cartridge does the weapon use ?

Type:	General Purpose
Designer:	Ministry of Defense, Matriarchy of Nirvash Type TheEND
In Use:	Data here!
Parent Case:	.280 British
Case Type:	Rifle
Bullet Diameter:	7mm
Neck Diameter:	7.2mm
Shoulder Diameter:	7.9mm
Base Diameter:	8.1mm
Rim Diameter:	8.1mm
Rim Thickness:	.6mm
Case Length:	???
Overall Length:	???

Trying out Corda's table.

I thought you already had the Case Length stat, since all you were doing was making the Second Optimum load hotter?
OAL shouldn't change too much from the original, ideally. Otherwise interchanging would become difficult.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Type:	General Purpose
Designer:	Ministry of Defense, Matriarchy of Nirvash Type TheEND
In Use:	Data here!
Parent Case:	.280 British
Case Type:	Rifle
Bullet Diameter:	7mm
Neck Diameter:	7.2mm
Shoulder Diameter:	7.9mm
Base Diameter:	8.1mm
Rim Diameter:	8.1mm
Rim Thickness:	.6mm
Case Length:	???
Overall Length:	???

Trying out Corda's table.

I thought you already had the Case Length stat, since all you were doing was making the Second Optimum load hotter?
OAL shouldn't change too much from the original, ideally. Otherwise interchanging would become difficult.

The idea was actually to make it slightly shorter, the walls thicker, the shoulders less angled, and THEN give it a hotter load.
EDIT: I don't know how much shorter to go though. I want it to still be in the 2900-3000fps range.
EDIT AGAIN: My numbers are lolnowherenearwheretheyshouldbe

[Purpelia]

The more I read of P's post the more I wonder just what role he serve(s/d) in the Russian army...

[Alimeria-]

30-06/9.3x64 (Due to bribery from Bajireyn/Everyone wearing armour in my former region) Savage-type bolt

12 gauge

30-06/9.3x64 (See Smith-Nagasaki for reason) Savage-type bolt

Undecided 11mm Cartridge, S&W No.3 Russian/Chiappa Rhino crossbreed

(I apologize for JG-scale for these last two, I currently lack a bigger-scale version of them) Undecided large-caliber Anti-Tank Rifle (WWI+Steampunk+Bullpups=Explanation of why I have a bullpup anti-tank rifle)

30-06/9.3x64, Based on Remington Model 8

(First image is a WIP, which is why I included the superior-looking JG-scale version) 30-06/9.3x64

Credit to Imeriata for Smith-Nagasaki Model 1912 and Smith Model 1914 Large-scale images

Now that I've got my weapons out of the way, has anybody else here thought that maybe we should make an IRC?

[Purpelia]

IRC's are evil. Thread is good.

[Liugark]

Now that I've got my weapons out of the way, has anybody else here thought that maybe we should make an IRC?

Well there is one for the Terra Firma region. I just did a little derp in there.

[Purpelia]

Threads stay forever and can be searched, addressed and linked to as well as bookmarked. IRC can't. So for a serious discussion on firearms or anything that will need referencing threads are superior.

[Benomia]

IRC's are evil. Thread is good.

[Black Hand]

I' was was looking for suggestions regarding a a revolver sidearm for my military serves more of a pseudo-ceremonial purpose than anything else, but it needs to have power Any cartridge will do just nice big and powerful. My military has a heightened sense of firearms history over blades (this extends to swords not Knives)

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

I' was was looking for suggestions regarding a a revolver sidearm for my military serves more of a pseudo-ceremonial purpose than anything else, but it needs to have power Any cartridge will do just nice big and powerful. My military has a heightened sense of firearms history over blades (this extends to swords not Knives)

.50 Alaskan

EDIT: Or .450 Alaskan for the lil' tykes

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The more I read of P's post the more I wonder just what role he serve(s/d) in the Russian army...

From what I've been told, just Russian Naval Infantry (supposedly one of the most disciplined branches in the entire armed forces), then a career in the MVD.
Folks from Project Terra probably know far more.

[Liugark]

I' was was looking for suggestions regarding a a revolver sidearm for my military serves more of a pseudo-ceremonial purpose than anything else, but it needs to have power Any cartridge will do just nice big and powerful. My military has a heightened sense of firearms history over blades (this extends to swords not Knives)

.600 Nitro Express ? Used for big game hunting back in the day.

[Purpelia]

The more I read of P's post the more I wonder just what role he serve(s/d) in the Russian army...

From what I've been told, just Russian Naval Infantry (supposedly one of the most disciplined branches in the entire armed forces), then a career in the MVD.
Folks from Project Terra probably know far more.

You mean those guys in those pictures in all black marching like a silent death machine?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Threads stay forever and can be searched, addressed and linked to as well as bookmarked. IRC can't. So for a serious discussion on firearms or anything that will need referencing threads are superior.

IRCs are godly useful, so long as you're in them and paying attention.
People then tend to discuss in threads what was discussed in IRC, so you'll never be wholly out of the loop, and it'd help curtail some of the lolspeed with which we go through the MMW threads these days.

From what I've been told, just Russian Naval Infantry (supposedly one of the most disciplined branches in the entire armed forces), then a career in the MVD.
Folks from Project Terra probably know far more.

You mean those guys in those pictures in all black marching like a silent death machine?

Yes. The Imperial Stormtroopers of our time.

[Liugark]

Though IRCs can spawn evil things if not moderated correctly.

[Purpelia]

IRCs are godly useful, so long as you're in them and paying attention.
People then tend to discuss in threads what was discussed in IRC, so you'll never be wholly out of the loop, and it'd help curtail some of the lolspeed with which we go through the MMW threads these days.

And that's the thing. The moment you can't access IRC for some reason or just don't have the time to be heavily active there you are screwed. The thread, no matter how fast is still manageable in that I can bookmark where I stopped and continue on reading from there when I am back.

Plus IRC's have a nasty tendency to completely overtake the threads and kill them. I have seen it happen.

Yes. The Imperial Stormtroopers of our time.

AWESOME times INFINITY