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In Syria, the Rebels Have Begun to Fight Among Themselves

Postby The Spiral Future » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:19 am

http://world.time.com/2013/03/26/in-syr ... hemselves/

Right then, it appears fighting had begun between the secular Farouq brigade and the ultra-conservative Jabhat al-Nusra. Personally I hope Farouq survives to see the an of Assad and takes control rather than their opponents.

Have an extract form the article for your convenience :
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The day started like a regular Sunday for Mohammad al-Daher, better known as Abu Azzam, the commander of the rebel Farouq Brigades in the vast swath of eastern Syria called the Jazira, a region that stretches from the Turkish border to the Iraqi frontier and encompasses the three provinces of Raqqa, Hasaka and Deir ez-Zor. He had a series of meetings in the morning in a number of locations in the bustling town of Tal Abyad on Syria’s border with Turkey as well as in the partially destroyed former police station that is the Farouq’s headquarters. And he was going to visit his mother.

By late afternoon, however, the burly 34-year-old Raqqa native would be lying in a hospital bed — wounded by members of the ultraconservative Islamist group Jabhat al-Nusra (which the U.S considers a terrorist organization with links to al-Qaeda). Abu Azzam’s targeting has blown open a sharp rift and long-brewing conflict between the more secular nationwide Farouq brigades and the Jabhat. The two groups are among the most effective, best organized and most well-known of the many military outfits aligned against Syrian President Bashar Assad — and the fight between them is just beginning.
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So what is your view people of NationStates? Do you wish for Farouq to take control, do you believe they are capable. Do you believe Jabhat al-Nusra would be capable or do you simple support Assad against them all.

Most importantly what kind of government do you believe will exist after the war is over? I personally find democracy unlikely but it could still happen, though I am hoping for a secular dictatorship since I doubt anything else could stabilize the nation and stopping it going the Egypt route. Then again I am biased towards autocracies as I support the Meritocratic variety.

So tell me your views.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:22 am

They already have a secular dictatorship, The Assad government :p
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Postby The Spiral Future » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:23 am

Kvatchdom wrote:They already have a secular dictatorship, The Assad government :p


Quite though one could hope for the less oppressive variety in the Farouq as they have something Assad does not.

The perspective of the people which no government can successful without.
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Postby Forster Keys » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:29 am

If the Al Nusra front takes out the secular opposition than a lot of hope for a bright future in Syria is lost.
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Postby Forster Keys » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:32 am

That said, the Farouq brigades are hardly secular humanists if some sources are to believed.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:33 am

It's either going to result in two countries or an Al Nusra-led Syria.
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Postby The Spiral Future » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:34 am

Forster Keys wrote:If the Al Nusra front takes out the secular opposition than a lot of hope for a bright future in Syria is lost.

I actually find it unlikely, the people of Syria are not used to religious rule. They would no doubt support the secular fighters over the Islamist fighters.

Support of the people is the lifeblood of Guerrillas after all.
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Postby DogDoo 7 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:34 am

welp this is unsurprising to say the least. Tribalism, sectarianism, and the way of the sword are par for the course here.
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:35 am

This is why the US should have acted sooner. Because they took so long to react to the war, Al-Qaeda and its affiliates are gaining more power and credibility in the nation. When Assad falls, there will be chaos. So much chaos.

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Postby The Spiral Future » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:35 am

Forster Keys wrote:That said, the Farouq brigades are hardly secular humanists if some sources are to believed.


True, but we have two alternatives to Assad. To be honest they seem like the best choice for the moment.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:35 am

Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:This is why the US should have acted sooner. Because they took so long to react to the war, Al-Qaeda and its affiliates are gaining more power and credibility in the nation. When Assad falls, there will be chaos. So much chaos.

Can't help them if they don't want to be helped.
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Postby Sedikal » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:36 am

And this is surprising how? It's like highlander their can only be one Ideology!
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Postby DogDoo 7 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:36 am

The Spiral Future wrote:
Forster Keys wrote:If the Al Nusra front takes out the secular opposition than a lot of hope for a bright future in Syria is lost.

I actually find it unlikely, the people of Syria are not used to religious rule. They would no doubt support the secular fighters over the Islamist fighters.

Support of the people is the lifeblood of Guerrillas after all.


they're used to despotism, and historically the Islamists have been the warriors against despotism. But yeah, I agree that Syrians aren't so keen to be a theocracy, and they have much stronger traditions of having women out in the open and actually doing things than their neighbors to the South.
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Postby The Spiral Future » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:37 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:This is why the US should have acted sooner. Because they took so long to react to the war, Al-Qaeda and its affiliates are gaining more power and credibility in the nation. When Assad falls, there will be chaos. So much chaos.

Can't help them if they don't want to be helped.


I seem to remember them calling for aid and no one responding and them getting very bitter over it.
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Postby Lerodan Chinamerica » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:38 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Lerodan Chinamerica wrote:This is why the US should have acted sooner. Because they took so long to react to the war, Al-Qaeda and its affiliates are gaining more power and credibility in the nation. When Assad falls, there will be chaos. So much chaos.

Can't help them if they don't want to be helped.

They do want to be helped. The rebel forces have asked numerous times for lethal aid rather than just medical and food supplies that they don't need.

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Postby Corporate Investors » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:39 am

It should teach The West to look before you leap but The West is far too arrogant to grasp anything positive out of a stupid error. I'd be surprised if they ever critically analyze their actions. A bunch of Know It Alls.

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Postby The Spiral Future » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:39 am

DogDoo 7 wrote:
The Spiral Future wrote:I actually find it unlikely, the people of Syria are not used to religious rule. They would no doubt support the secular fighters over the Islamist fighters.

Support of the people is the lifeblood of Guerrillas after all.


they're used to despotism, and historically the Islamists have been the warriors against despotism. But yeah, I agree that Syrians aren't so keen to be a theocracy, and they have much stronger traditions of having women out in the open and actually doing things than their neighbors to the South.


I'm thinking that culture will be what actually saves Syria, they won't accept less and if that is the case a theocracy will be unable to stabilise in the nation.
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Postby The Spiral Future » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:43 am

Corporate Investors wrote:It should teach The West to look before you leap but The West is far too arrogant to grasp anything positive out of a stupid error. I'd be surprised if they ever critically analyze their actions. A bunch of Know It Alls.


Sorry, but could you clarify what you are talking about?
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Postby Magnus Portucale » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:44 am

They are doing this because they want power and exploit the syrians so i'm not surprised to see this and also this could help the bastard in power .
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Magnus Portucale wrote:They are doing this because they want power and exploit the syrians so i'm not surprised to see this and also this could help the bastard in power .


They being?
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Postby Magnus Portucale » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:51 am

The Spiral Future wrote:
Magnus Portucale wrote:They are doing this because they want power and exploit the syrians so i'm not surprised to see this and also this could help the bastard in power .


They being?


Jabhat al-Nusra and Farouq .
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Postby The Spiral Future » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:53 am

Magnus Portucale wrote:
The Spiral Future wrote:
They being?


Jabhat al-Nusra and Farouq .


I see and do you have evidence that they are going to exploit the people they are fighting and dying for?
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Postby Risottia » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:55 am

The Spiral Future wrote:http://world.time.com/2013/03/26/in-syria-the-rebels-have-begun-to-fight-among-themselves/

Right then, it appears fighting had begun between the secular Farouq brigade and the ultra-conservative Jabhat al-Nusra....
So tell me your views.


And this, alongside with carbombing civilians, is exactly why giving weapons to the Syrian rebels is exactly as bad as giving them to Assad.

If we want to save the civilians the only solution is a UN peace-enforcing army of let's say at least 200k troops, with heavy armour and massive air support.
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Postby Magnus Portucale » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:56 am

The Spiral Future wrote:
Magnus Portucale wrote:
Jabhat al-Nusra and Farouq .


I see and do you have evidence that they are going to exploit the people they are fighting and dying for?


Just look at Libya where the factions who fight for " freedom" are have some sporadic fight's between them .

All kind of State exploits the people in various ways .
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:56 am

Can't say I see anything good on any Syrian faction.

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