Katganistan wrote:....
There's an old saying, "You don't shit where you eat."
You shouldn't screw where you work either -- it leads to altogether too much drama, including the kind that gets people fired.
Yeah, that's what *I* said.
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by KiloMikeAlpha » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:34 pm
Katganistan wrote:....
There's an old saying, "You don't shit where you eat."
You shouldn't screw where you work either -- it leads to altogether too much drama, including the kind that gets people fired.
by Maurepas » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:35 pm
Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Except that it's supposed to be first come, first served.
by Imsogone » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:37 pm
Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
by Maurepas » Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:41 pm
Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
by Intangelon » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:47 pm
Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
by Maurepas » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:49 pm
Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
by Ryadn » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:50 pm
Flameswroth wrote:Repair work is a service industry, dealing directly with people. It stands to reason that the nature of those people you serve will have some bearing on the service rendered.
by Maurepas » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:51 pm
Ryadn wrote:Flameswroth wrote:Repair work is a service industry, dealing directly with people. It stands to reason that the nature of those people you serve will have some bearing on the service rendered.
Just once, I'd like a student to come up to me after a particularly good lesson and give me a dollar for helping her master the spelling of words with the long "e" sound or something.
by Intangelon » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:54 pm
Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, I dont view workers as "Servers" for one thing...
by Maurepas » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:56 pm
Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, I dont view workers as "Servers" for one thing...
Oh? Then what's the point of having them at the tenants' figurative beck and call via a work request order, usually on paper? Sorry, but you can dress it up any way you like, that manager is a servant, and part of the tenants' rent is paying that manager's salary or providing his dwelling free of rent. I'm not saying he's a butler, I'm saying his job is to provide service to the tenants. He's usually the first line of contact between the tenant and the owners/landlords. If he's taking bribes, why the hell would I not inform the owner/landlord immediately that the super is taking bribes for better...what? Service.
If they're not "servers", then you've got some explaining to do: what are they?
by Ryadn » Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:59 pm
Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, I dont view workers as "Servers" for one thing...
by Imsogone » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:07 am
Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, I dont view workers as "Servers" for one thing...
Oh? Then what's the point of having them at the tenants' figurative beck and call via a work request order, usually on paper? Sorry, but you can dress it up any way you like, that manager is a servant, and part of the tenants' rent is paying that manager's salary or providing his dwelling free of rent. I'm not saying he's a butler, I'm saying his job is to provide service to the tenants. He's usually the first line of contact between the tenant and the owners/landlords. If he's taking bribes, why the hell would I not inform the owner/landlord immediately that the super is taking bribes for better...what? Service.
If they're not "servers", then you've got some explaining to do: what are they?
People with a Job, thats what...
Putting in a request order isnt the same as "being at the beck and call", if you view it as such, it might explain why you get shitty service...
by Maurepas » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:08 am
Ryadn wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, I dont view workers as "Servers" for one thing...
I think this would be a lot less problematic in the case of waiters if they earned minimum wage, instead of having tips "make up" the difference. For jobs that don't follow that same slippery wage practice and offer minimum or above minimum wage, I don't honestly see why I should be compelled to tip at all. No one tips me if I do well at my job. I don't receive bonuses. I have no incentives whatsoever---I work hard for the sake of working hard, and staying employed.
by Maurepas » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:10 am
Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, I dont view workers as "Servers" for one thing...
Oh? Then what's the point of having them at the tenants' figurative beck and call via a work request order, usually on paper? Sorry, but you can dress it up any way you like, that manager is a servant, and part of the tenants' rent is paying that manager's salary or providing his dwelling free of rent. I'm not saying he's a butler, I'm saying his job is to provide service to the tenants. He's usually the first line of contact between the tenant and the owners/landlords. If he's taking bribes, why the hell would I not inform the owner/landlord immediately that the super is taking bribes for better...what? Service.
If they're not "servers", then you've got some explaining to do: what are they?
People with a Job, thats what...
Putting in a request order isnt the same as "being at the beck and call", if you view it as such, it might explain why you get shitty service...
I don't know what GnD's situation is, but, generally a maintenance and repair person is not only paid a salary but has a rent-free apartment for himself and, if necessary, his family. I'd say a rent-free apartment is a pretty good perk. I wouldn't say he's at anyone's "beck and call" but he is supposed to be available at all hours for emergencies (another reason for a rent-free apartment - it's easier to deal with emergencies if you don't have come from another part of town). Freebies from the tenants are not perks and should not be expected. There is too much opportunity for abuse. Tenants should be pleasant and courteous: maintenance people should be professional and courteous. Their work ethic should not depend on whether or not tenants render them "considerations". These perks are ethically borderline and potentially detrimental to the relationship between the repair person and his employer and the tenants.
If you can't separate the fact that, for example, the old guy who lives next door to you invites you over on your day off to watch the game - as a neighbor - from the requirement that you may have to fix something for him on a workday, then you'd best decline his invitation.
by Imsogone » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:12 am
Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, I dont view workers as "Servers" for one thing...
Oh? Then what's the point of having them at the tenants' figurative beck and call via a work request order, usually on paper? Sorry, but you can dress it up any way you like, that manager is a servant, and part of the tenants' rent is paying that manager's salary or providing his dwelling free of rent. I'm not saying he's a butler, I'm saying his job is to provide service to the tenants. He's usually the first line of contact between the tenant and the owners/landlords. If he's taking bribes, why the hell would I not inform the owner/landlord immediately that the super is taking bribes for better...what? Service.
If they're not "servers", then you've got some explaining to do: what are they?
People with a Job, thats what...
Putting in a request order isnt the same as "being at the beck and call", if you view it as such, it might explain why you get shitty service...
I don't know what GnD's situation is, but, generally a maintenance and repair person is not only paid a salary but has a rent-free apartment for himself and, if necessary, his family. I'd say a rent-free apartment is a pretty good perk. I wouldn't say he's at anyone's "beck and call" but he is supposed to be available at all hours for emergencies (another reason for a rent-free apartment - it's easier to deal with emergencies if you don't have come from another part of town). Freebies from the tenants are not perks and should not be expected. There is too much opportunity for abuse. Tenants should be pleasant and courteous: maintenance people should be professional and courteous. Their work ethic should not depend on whether or not tenants render them "considerations". These perks are ethically borderline and potentially detrimental to the relationship between the repair person and his employer and the tenants.
If you can't separate the fact that, for example, the old guy who lives next door to you invites you over on your day off to watch the game - as a neighbor - from the requirement that you may have to fix something for him on a workday, then you'd best decline his invitation.
Like I said, I would never say it should be expected or there should be any compulsion for it, but, I would recognize that if one is given, that person is probably going to get better service, than one who was a crappy person when the job was being done...
by Maurepas » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:14 am
Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, I dont view workers as "Servers" for one thing...
Oh? Then what's the point of having them at the tenants' figurative beck and call via a work request order, usually on paper? Sorry, but you can dress it up any way you like, that manager is a servant, and part of the tenants' rent is paying that manager's salary or providing his dwelling free of rent. I'm not saying he's a butler, I'm saying his job is to provide service to the tenants. He's usually the first line of contact between the tenant and the owners/landlords. If he's taking bribes, why the hell would I not inform the owner/landlord immediately that the super is taking bribes for better...what? Service.
If they're not "servers", then you've got some explaining to do: what are they?
People with a Job, thats what...
Putting in a request order isnt the same as "being at the beck and call", if you view it as such, it might explain why you get shitty service...
I don't know what GnD's situation is, but, generally a maintenance and repair person is not only paid a salary but has a rent-free apartment for himself and, if necessary, his family. I'd say a rent-free apartment is a pretty good perk. I wouldn't say he's at anyone's "beck and call" but he is supposed to be available at all hours for emergencies (another reason for a rent-free apartment - it's easier to deal with emergencies if you don't have come from another part of town). Freebies from the tenants are not perks and should not be expected. There is too much opportunity for abuse. Tenants should be pleasant and courteous: maintenance people should be professional and courteous. Their work ethic should not depend on whether or not tenants render them "considerations". These perks are ethically borderline and potentially detrimental to the relationship between the repair person and his employer and the tenants.
If you can't separate the fact that, for example, the old guy who lives next door to you invites you over on your day off to watch the game - as a neighbor - from the requirement that you may have to fix something for him on a workday, then you'd best decline his invitation.
Like I said, I would never say it should be expected or there should be any compulsion for it, but, I would recognize that if one is given, that person is probably going to get better service, than one who was a crappy person when the job was being done...
I see, so being courteous is considered crappy these days and offering a bribe is the new "courteous".
by Imsogone » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:36 am
Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, I dont view workers as "Servers" for one thing...
Oh? Then what's the point of having them at the tenants' figurative beck and call via a work request order, usually on paper? Sorry, but you can dress it up any way you like, that manager is a servant, and part of the tenants' rent is paying that manager's salary or providing his dwelling free of rent. I'm not saying he's a butler, I'm saying his job is to provide service to the tenants. He's usually the first line of contact between the tenant and the owners/landlords. If he's taking bribes, why the hell would I not inform the owner/landlord immediately that the super is taking bribes for better...what? Service.
If they're not "servers", then you've got some explaining to do: what are they?
People with a Job, thats what...
Putting in a request order isnt the same as "being at the beck and call", if you view it as such, it might explain why you get shitty service...
I don't know what GnD's situation is, but, generally a maintenance and repair person is not only paid a salary but has a rent-free apartment for himself and, if necessary, his family. I'd say a rent-free apartment is a pretty good perk. I wouldn't say he's at anyone's "beck and call" but he is supposed to be available at all hours for emergencies (another reason for a rent-free apartment - it's easier to deal with emergencies if you don't have come from another part of town). Freebies from the tenants are not perks and should not be expected. There is too much opportunity for abuse. Tenants should be pleasant and courteous: maintenance people should be professional and courteous. Their work ethic should not depend on whether or not tenants render them "considerations". These perks are ethically borderline and potentially detrimental to the relationship between the repair person and his employer and the tenants.
If you can't separate the fact that, for example, the old guy who lives next door to you invites you over on your day off to watch the game - as a neighbor - from the requirement that you may have to fix something for him on a workday, then you'd best decline his invitation.
Like I said, I would never say it should be expected or there should be any compulsion for it, but, I would recognize that if one is given, that person is probably going to get better service, than one who was a crappy person when the job was being done...
I see, so being courteous is considered crappy these days and offering a bribe is the new "courteous".
Not at all, I was dealing with the extreme ends of the spectrum, not the middle ground,
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by Greed and Death » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:10 am
Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, I dont view workers as "Servers" for one thing...
Oh? Then what's the point of having them at the tenants' figurative beck and call via a work request order, usually on paper? Sorry, but you can dress it up any way you like, that manager is a servant, and part of the tenants' rent is paying that manager's salary or providing his dwelling free of rent. I'm not saying he's a butler, I'm saying his job is to provide service to the tenants. He's usually the first line of contact between the tenant and the owners/landlords. If he's taking bribes, why the hell would I not inform the owner/landlord immediately that the super is taking bribes for better...what? Service.
If they're not "servers", then you've got some explaining to do: what are they?
People with a Job, thats what...
Putting in a request order isnt the same as "being at the beck and call", if you view it as such, it might explain why you get shitty service...
I don't know what GnD's situation is, but, generally a maintenance and repair person is not only paid a salary but has a rent-free apartment for himself and, if necessary, his family. I'd say a rent-free apartment is a pretty good perk. I wouldn't say he's at anyone's "beck and call" but he is supposed to be available at all hours for emergencies (another reason for a rent-free apartment - it's easier to deal with emergencies if you don't have come from another part of town). Freebies from the tenants are not perks and should not be expected. There is too much opportunity for abuse. Tenants should be pleasant and courteous: maintenance people should be professional and courteous. Their work ethic should not depend on whether or not tenants render them "considerations". These perks are ethically borderline and potentially detrimental to the relationship between the repair person and his employer and the tenants.
If you can't separate the fact that, for example, the old guy who lives next door to you invites you over on your day off to watch the game - as a neighbor - from the requirement that you may have to fix something for him on a workday, then you'd best decline his invitation.
by Mean Feat » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:44 am
greed and death wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:Maurepas wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Intangelon wrote:greed and death wrote:Well I work as a repairman at an apartment complex.
Recently several of the Tenants have discovered giving me beer or food helps to ensure I fix their problems in a much more timely manner. I can't say I intentionally get to them faster, but it is second nature to take care of those who are nicer first.
Perk, so long as the beer doesn't get the beer-giver to the front of the repairs queue.
Well the work orders are on a board in no particular order. we do them based on our own time management. Just if someone gave me beer in the past their name tends to stick out as fitting out time management.
So you do give preference to those who beer you, but you try to pass it off like you don't. Got it.
Meh, Nicer people = better service, humanity 101, Im not seeing the problem, *shrugs*
Now you see, I always figured the better the service the nicer I'd be. You don't tip a waiter for slovenly, slipshod service and you don't give someone a beer or other "perks" in hopes that he'll give you better service than he does someone else. I believe in being pleasant and courteous to people who are doing things for me but I don't see the point in giving extra to someone unless he/she is going the extra mile. You fix the leaky faucet, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that". You fix the leaky faucet and are patient with my child who can't seem to stop bugging you, that merits a "thank you, I appreciate that" and a glass of iced tea or a couple of homemade cookies. But I don't think I'm going to give someone a beer just for showing up and doing what he's paid to do anyway.
I say it goes both ways, A waiter such as you describe is disreputable, but, Id say the bitchy, non-tipping customer is equally disreputable...
Both sides should be courteous to one another, and when one isnt, I dont think one should have to treat them the same as one who is...
Absolutely incorrect. Who is there to serve whom? Whose job is it to provide service? Of course one should start out pleasantly when requesting service, but that service should never be contingent on who blows the server (metaphorically or not).
We'll just have to agree to disagree on that point, I dont view workers as "Servers" for one thing...
Oh? Then what's the point of having them at the tenants' figurative beck and call via a work request order, usually on paper? Sorry, but you can dress it up any way you like, that manager is a servant, and part of the tenants' rent is paying that manager's salary or providing his dwelling free of rent. I'm not saying he's a butler, I'm saying his job is to provide service to the tenants. He's usually the first line of contact between the tenant and the owners/landlords. If he's taking bribes, why the hell would I not inform the owner/landlord immediately that the super is taking bribes for better...what? Service.
If they're not "servers", then you've got some explaining to do: what are they?
People with a Job, thats what...
Putting in a request order isnt the same as "being at the beck and call", if you view it as such, it might explain why you get shitty service...
I don't know what GnD's situation is, but, generally a maintenance and repair person is not only paid a salary but has a rent-free apartment for himself and, if necessary, his family. I'd say a rent-free apartment is a pretty good perk. I wouldn't say he's at anyone's "beck and call" but he is supposed to be available at all hours for emergencies (another reason for a rent-free apartment - it's easier to deal with emergencies if you don't have come from another part of town). Freebies from the tenants are not perks and should not be expected. There is too much opportunity for abuse. Tenants should be pleasant and courteous: maintenance people should be professional and courteous. Their work ethic should not depend on whether or not tenants render them "considerations". These perks are ethically borderline and potentially detrimental to the relationship between the repair person and his employer and the tenants.
If you can't separate the fact that, for example, the old guy who lives next door to you invites you over on your day off to watch the game - as a neighbor - from the requirement that you may have to fix something for him on a workday, then you'd best decline his invitation.
Nope I pay full rent on the apartment. Owner is too cheap to even give me a discount on rent. That's the problem working in a college town the labor market is all screwy.
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by Greed and Death » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:55 am
Mean Feat wrote:greed and death wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:
Nope I pay full rent on the apartment. Owner is too cheap to even give me a discount on rent. That's the problem working in a college town the labor market is all screwy.
The owner would probably be even happier if you'd take no wage at all, and do the job for the perks alone.
How ethical would that be ?
by Mean Feat » Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:26 am
greed and death wrote:Mean Feat wrote:greed and death wrote:Imsogone wrote:Maurepas wrote:
Nope I pay full rent on the apartment. Owner is too cheap to even give me a discount on rent. That's the problem working in a college town the labor market is all screwy.
The owner would probably be even happier if you'd take no wage at all, and do the job for the perks alone.
How ethical would that be ?
I don't know if their is an ethics issue with that, however there are legal issues. namely minimum wage.
Mean Feat wrote:The Latham of the Liberals. Tony Abbott.
Tanya Plibersek Mon 22 Feb 2010 wrote:"Tony is the 'Mark Latham' of the Liberal Party.
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