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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:06 pm

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Apparently, Planned Parenthood is now in the business of performing forced abortions. A woman went to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado, seeking an abortion on the condition that she be anesthetized. The clinic did not anesthetize her; yet the abortionist, against the woman's will, proceeded to perform the procedure anyway, thus causing the woman great pain. And, on top of all that, he botched the surgery and almost killed the woman. Now, the woman is going to court. She accuses Planned Parenthood of:

Negligence
Battery
Uninformed consent
False imprisonment
Extreme and Outrageous Conduct – Emotional Distress
Breach of Fiduciary Duty
Breach of Contract

http://www.adfmedia.org/files/ByerComplaint.pdf

http://www.adfmedia.org/files/ByerFoleyStatement.pdf

The woman went to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, seeking an abortion. On the operating table, she had a change of heart "and explained [to the doctor and his assistants] that she did not want to go through with the procedure." Then, the doctor "began the abortion process against her will." The woman "refrained from leaving during the surgical procedure due to fear for her safety."

According to the complaint, "the Plaintiff sustained severe injuries." For the next two days, she suffered from severe pain and bleeding. She went to the emergency room, where the medical staff informed her that "she needed an emergency D&C because the Planned Parenthood doctor failed to finish the abortion procedure and had left particles of the fetus inside [the] Plaintiff's body that had caused an infection." After waiting four hours, she went into emergency surgery. She was released from the hospital a few days later.

Elective abortions are bad enough, but now it seems that Planned Parenthood is taking its war on the unborn up another level.

A Planned Parenthood doctor forced a woman to undergo an abortion without anesthesia and then botched the procedure leaving her to seek treatment at a nearby hospital, according to a lawsuit filed in a Colorado court. An emergency room doctor later discovered parts of the baby’s body had been left inside the woman’s womb.

Ayanna Byer, 40, filed the lawsuit, at the prompting of the emergency room doctor who treated her two days after the botched abortion.

Byers had gone to the emergency room after Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains advised her that they did not offer follow-up care for post-abortion complications, the lawsuit alleges.

Dr. Steven Foley accused Planned Parenthood of abandoning Byer in the aftermath of the abortion.

“It is not acceptable to refer your patients to the emergency department and assume the on-call doctor will take care of any complications and assume all the risk associated with the complications,” Foley wrote in a certified review of the incident.

“No practicing physician can maintain privileges to practice and perform surgery if they do not provide specific coverage for their patients in case of a complication,” he wrote. “It is considered abandonment of your patient.”

Byer is represented by the Alliance Defending Freedom. They said she changed her mind about the abortion after Planned Parenthood could not provide her with the agreed-upon intravenous anesthesia. They allege the doctor proceeded with the abortion anyway.

“A woman’s life is more important than Planned Parenthood’s bottom line,” ADF attorney Doug Romero said. “What Planned Parenthood did to Ayanna is beyond the pale. They clearly put her through extraordinary cruelty and jeopardized her life. Their actions were intolerable.”

A Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains spokesperson told Fox News they have not been served with the lawsuit – and would not comment.

ADF alleges that the abortion doctor began the procedure while Byer was fully awake – without any anesthesia.

The court documents state the doctor turned on the vacuum machines and told Byer it was too late to stop the abortion.

“Is this the type of organization American taxpayers should be funding to the tune of $540 million per year?” said ADF senior counsel Michael Norton. “Planned Parenthood is irresponsible and only promotes its own self-interest. That was clearly seen most vividly in what they did to Ayanna.”

According to the emergency room doctor, Byer arrived in “septic with a high fever and elevated white blood count. She required immediate high-risk surgery to remove the remaining body parts – left behind by Planned Parenthood.

“Because of the continued pain and heavy bleeding, I was concerned the patient might have had an ectopic pregnancy, he wrote in a statement.

The doctor called Planned Parenthood and asked about pathology reports on Byer – but he was told they don’t do pathology reports on abortion patients.

Norton told Fox News that if it hadn’t been for the emergency room doctor’s intervention they might not have heard about the incident.

“He was mortified and horrified at what he found,” he said. “He thought the abortionist should be held accountable for patient abandonment.”

Byer left the hospital four days after her surgery.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/lawsuit-planned-parenthood-left-dismembered-baby-in-woman.html


[Moderator Edit - Cogitation] Changed title upon appeal. [/edit]
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:10 pm

So she went in for an abortion, and as a result Planned Parenthood forced an abortion on her?
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Postby Divair » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:11 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:So she went in for an abortion, and as a result Planned Parenthood forced an abortion on her?

She claims that the doctor didn't use anesthetic. A possibility, indeed, and if the court rules in her favour, fire the doctor. End thread.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:11 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:So she went in for an abortion, and as a result Planned Parenthood forced an abortion on her?


Yeah, I was going to point that out.

To me, forcing someone into something usually implies no consent, that it was done against their will. But she did seek the procedure, so how is it forced?

Sure, I can understand that she asked for anesthesia and it wasn't given to her. But the abortion wasn't forced in any way.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:13 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:So she went in for an abortion, and as a result Planned Parenthood forced an abortion on her?

She wanted to procure an abortion with anesthesia. The abortionist went ahead with the procedure without anesthesia in spite of her saying that she didn't want to go through with it anymore. Then, he almost killed her.
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Postby Kanery » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:14 pm

I guess they should suspend the doctor for screwing up, but why should that be an excuse for others to not use the clinic?
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:15 pm

I stopped viewing this as anything other than you using a tragic and unpleasant case of medical neglect and incompetence to illustrate why you believe women don't have the right to decide what goes on in their own bodies when you used the phrase "war on the unborn".
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Postby Ceannairceach » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:16 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:So she went in for an abortion, and as a result Planned Parenthood forced an abortion on her?

She wanted to procure an abortion with anesthesia. The abortionist went ahead with the procedure without anesthesia in spite of her saying that she didn't want to go through with it anymore. Then, he almost killed her.

Alleged, alleged, alleged.

Lets wait for the court, huh?

If he truly is guilty, have him fired. This in no way implicates Planned Parenthood as a whole, and I'd like you to edit the title to reflect that, for as it stands it makes it appear to be a policy as apposed to a single doctor.

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Postby Avenio » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:16 pm

Divair wrote:She claims that the doctor didn't use anesthetic. A possibility, indeed, and if the court rules in her favour, fire the doctor. End thread.


As I understand the OP's piece, she most likely requested general anaesthesia for the procedure and not a local or regional anaesthetic, which, as I understand it, is much more commonly done. Because of that, it may have been medically-inadvisable for her to undergo general anaesthesia for the procedure for whatever reason. We don't exactly know the reason why the woman went in to get an abortion, nor at what stage of pregnancy she was in. The medical particulars in this case are important.

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Cannot think of a name wrote:So she went in for an abortion, and as a result Planned Parenthood forced an abortion on her?

She claims that the doctor didn't use anesthetic. A possibility, indeed, and if the court rules in her favour, fire the doctor. End thread.

See, that's a different claim. Valid to be sure, she requested anesthetic...unless there's more to this story (I can't imagine given the honest representation we've received so far...) that indicates that she could not for a medical reason have anesthetic...she should have gotten it. But then, this seems like a pretty minor thing to make a thread about, a doctor making a mistake.

Well, unless you're trying to misrepresent what happened in an effort to demonize an institution that provides vital women's health services to further your own agenda...
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Divair wrote:She claims that the doctor didn't use anesthetic. A possibility, indeed, and if the court rules in her favour, fire the doctor. End thread.


As I understand the OP's piece, she most likely requested general anaesthesia for the procedure and not a local or regional anaesthetic, which, as I understand it, is much more commonly done. Because of that, it may have been medically-inadvisable for her to undergo general anaesthesia for the procedure for whatever reason. We don't exactly know the reason why the woman went in to get an abortion, nor at what stage of pregnancy she was in. The medical particulars in this case are important.

Aye, specifics are important. Nothing to discuss until the case goes to court, really.

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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:18 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:So she went in for an abortion, and as a result Planned Parenthood forced an abortion on her?


Yeah, I was going to point that out.

To me, forcing someone into something usually implies no consent, that it was done against their will. But she did seek the procedure, so how is it forced?

Sure, I can understand that she asked for anesthesia and it wasn't given to her. But the abortion wasn't forced in any way.


According to her, she consented to the procedure with an understanding that there would be anesthesia. She did not consent to the procedure without anesthesia (or a lack of follow-up care, come to think of it), yet he performed it anyway. That's the bottom line.

But note that all of this is "according to her". We'll probably need to wait for another assessment.
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Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:I stopped viewing this as anything other than you using a tragic and unpleasant case of medical neglect and incompetence to illustrate why you believe women don't have the right to decide what goes on in their own bodies when you used the phrase "war on the unborn".

I like how he used "war on the unborn" in a case in which the abortion was going to happen anyway but under different circumstances. Seems CD really is losing his touch in his attempt to defame PP at any avenue possible.

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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:19 pm

if the doctor committed malpractice it will be brought out in court. if there is a pattern of bad medical practice at the planned parenthood clinic it should be shut down.

if not, then not.
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The complaint, to which a link is provided in the first post, gives more details regarding this case.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:20 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Yeah, I was going to point that out.

To me, forcing someone into something usually implies no consent, that it was done against their will. But she did seek the procedure, so how is it forced?

Sure, I can understand that she asked for anesthesia and it wasn't given to her. But the abortion wasn't forced in any way.


According to her, she consented to the procedure with an understanding that there would be anesthesia. She did not consent to the procedure without anesthesia (or a lack of follow-up care, come to think of it), yet he performed it anyway. That's the bottom line.

But note that all of this is "according to her". We'll probably need to wait for another assessment.


I imagine the court will make a decision and we need to wait on it.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:20 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:Apparently, Planned Parenthood is now in the business of performing forced abortions. A woman went to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado, seeking an abortion on the condition that she be anesthetized. The clinic, for whatever reason, did not anesthetize her; yet the abortionist, against the woman's will, proceeded to perform the procedure anyway.

She wanted an abortion and she got it.
Considering you sign a form when you agree to undergo surgery (and abortion is surgery) I'd want to see the bit stating explicitly she agreed to the surgery she required on the mandatory condition of getting anaesthesia. Because, afaik, the surgeon and the anaethetist decide about anaesthesia and are supposed NOT to perform it if it's not medically necessary.

And, on top of all that, he botched the surgery and almost killed the woman. Now, the woman is going to court.

She's alive and she got the abortion. Surgery is always a risky procedure, and she was informed of the risks and accepted them.

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Trust Faux News to turn a story about an iffy complaint about the way an abortion was performed into a story about OMG FORCED ABORSHUN.
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Christian Democrats wrote:The complaint, to which a link is provided in the first post, gives more details regarding this case.

Does it in any way state that the facility was to blame for the alleged malpractice, or is it just more evidence that your title, as always, is disingenuous?

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Postby Khadgar » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:23 pm

Holy misleading thread title.

Doctor screwed up, it happens and it sucks. There's a reason they have malpractice insurance.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:23 pm

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Christian Democrats wrote:The complaint, to which a link is provided in the first post, gives more details regarding this case.

Does it in any way state that the facility was to blame for the alleged malpractice, or is it just more evidence that your title, as always, is disingenuous?

The complaint is being filed against Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, Inc.
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Khadgar wrote:Holy misleading thread title.

Doctor screwed up, it happens and it sucks. There's a reason they have malpractice insurance.

We're not even sure if the doctor screwed up yet, need to wait for the court to rule.


There's really nothing to discuss.

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Ceannairceach wrote:Does it in any way state that the facility was to blame for the alleged malpractice, or is it just more evidence that your title, as always, is disingenuous?

The complaint is being filed against Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, Inc.

Because the doctor, I assume, is an employee of their organization. That is only natural. But, was it a policy of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, Inc. to perform the abortion in that manner, or was it the doctor acting on his own volition?

If it was anything but the strict policy of the organization or order of an administrator, your title is, in essence, a bold faced lie.

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Khadgar wrote:Holy misleading thread title.

Doctor screwed up, it happens and it sucks. There's a reason they have malpractice insurance.

We're not even sure if the doctor screwed up yet, need to wait for the court to rule.


There's really nothing to discuss.


Trying to give CD the benefit of the doubt, when I really probably shouldn't.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:25 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:So she went in for an abortion, and as a result Planned Parenthood forced an abortion on her?

She wanted to procure an abortion with anesthesia. The abortionist went ahead with the procedure without anesthesia in spite of her saying that she didn't want to go through with it anymore. Then, he almost killed her.

I'm sorry, can we hear from someone whose credibility hasn't been blown in their thread title?

Your Snidley Whiplash account of the events is, I'm afraid, far too suspicious and already transparent. Not to mention the people who haven't filed anything yet-
A Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains spokesperson told Fox News they have not been served with the lawsuit – and would not comment.

-have sort of tipped their hand a touch early...perhaps because they know full well they're misrepresenting the situation and need to get this shit out before everyone stops paying attention because they're full of shit-
“Is this the type of organization American taxpayers should be funding to the tune of $540 million per year?” said ADF senior counsel Michael Norton. “Planned Parenthood is irresponsible and only promotes its own self-interest. That was clearly seen most vividly in what they did to Ayanna.”

Nope, no ulterior motive here. This doesn't at all seem like an attempt to forward a specific political agenda (federal funding of Planned Parenthood) rather than an effort to protect or make right an unfortunate circumstance a woman was put in.

So, again, can we hear from someone who hasn't blown their credibility on this matter?
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Feb 22, 2013 12:28 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Does it in any way state that the facility was to blame for the alleged malpractice, or is it just more evidence that your title, as always, is disingenuous?

The complaint is being filed against Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, Inc.

of course it is. that doesnt mean that it has any blame.
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