Europa Universalis: Our World (Alternate Earth: OOC/Open)

[Victorious Islands of Mitonesia]

I read all of this and this is what I have to say:
You can get Cape Verde.
I think we should timeskip somewhere to the middle odd the century so we have a more realistic colonization.
I talked to the former RPer of Great Portugal and he agreed me to get his nation if I maintainehis ideals of nation.
I'll since now informing that I'll colonize big tracks of land, since I'm the country which is navaly more powerful and I have no completion from Spain.

Have a good day and thanks to eurononia (that isn't his name probably but I'll RP him that.

For what it's worth, the Venetian Navy (mine) has been larger than Portugal's since the beginning. And I'm almost certain that there will be plenty of competition when it comes to colonizing.

Your ships woudln't get to america if I blocked gibraltar

[Great Nepal]

For what it's worth, the Venetian Navy (mine) has been larger than Portugal's since the beginning. And I'm almost certain that there will be plenty of competition when it comes to colonizing.

Your ships woudln't get to america if I blocked gibraltar

That is sure fire way to trigger war with Caliphate.

[The New Lowlands]

Your ships woudln't get to america if I blocked gibraltar

That is sure fire way to trigger war with Caliphate.

And, in doing so, open a can of pan-islamic whoop-ass.

[Mondrova]

For what it's worth, the Venetian Navy (mine) has been larger than Portugal's since the beginning. And I'm almost certain that there will be plenty of competition when it comes to colonizing.

Your ships woudln't get to america if I blocked gibraltar

Your ships would be obliterated if they tried. Also, Gibraltar is hardly that important, Tangiers is the Capitol, Gibraltar is just a large port, and the entire straight is very well defended.

Also, I wont be colonizing as the Caliphate, I will be giving birth to an African colonial empire after I have them collapse.

[Victorious Islands of Mitonesia]

Sorry haven't really saw the map... but I propose a treaty with the califate.
One that implies that I'll give them large quantites of gold and silver if he blocks gilbratar.

Btw during the timeskip I've invaded the region of Southern Portugal and I got it 15 years later, as the war between Portugal and Brittania had stop (we agreed on that) and my country army was huge at the time being that the Spanish Kingdom (is he even active) had no chance.

I colonized the atlantic islands of Azores, Madeira and the Canaries and made some settlements in Africa, which earned Great Portugal many gold and ivory.

(Propose in terms of the quantite of land): We colonized most of the east coast of South America (hot zone) and the Northern part of the western coast. We got too some land in Central America. The fight with the natives wasn't very hard has some of them weren't prepared to it and many deceased due to the deseases brought by the sailors.

[Mondrova]

Sorry haven't really saw the map... but I propose a treaty with the califate.
One that implies that I'll give them large quantites of gold and silver if he blocks gilbratar.

Btw during the timeskip I've invaded the region of Southern Portugal and I got it 15 years later, as the war between Portugal and Brittania had stop (we agreed on that) and my country army was huge at the time being that the Spanish Kingdom (is he even active) had no chance.

I colonized the atlantic islands of Azores, Madeira and the Canaries and made some settlements in Africa, which earned Great Portugal many gold and ivory.

(Propose in terms of the quantite of land): We colonized most of the east coast of South America (hot zone) and the Northern part of the western coast. We got too some land in Central America. The fight with the natives wasn't very hard has some of them weren't prepared to it and many deceased due to the deseases brought by the sailors.

There is already a one year treaty in place, that was all the Caliphate was willing to agree to at the time. By the by, just so we all know, an invasion on Spanish land will trigger the Caliphates invasion of it as well. The thought will be that by conquering all the lands we can keep it away from such repressive forces such as the extremist Portuguese. I would say they would push fairly far north. Not to worry though, as I have said, the Caliphate will collapse, I would say the only change to the areas we conquer for any nation signing up for them would be that they would have some impressive Islamic architecture and a large Jewish and growing Muslim populace.

Also, the Canaries are a no-go, as they are useful friends to the Caliphate and an attack on them would be war, as they are within the Caliphates sphere of influence and the leader is a personal friend of the Caliph. Also, I am fairly certain none of these islands have elephants on them, correct me if I am wrong, and as for gold, I imagine there is hardly any, if at all.

Now, as for the colonial holdings of this West African nation of mine. http://postimage.org/image/6w44z20a3/ The pink in the America's is what I am going for. The islands that you can tell I have claimed for that are Dominica, Guadeloupe, Barbados, and St. Lucia.

[Ayreonia]

I read all of this and this is what I have to say:
You can get Cape Verde.
I think we should timeskip somewhere to the middle odd the century so we have a more realistic colonization.
I talked to the former RPer of Great Portugal and he agreed me to get his nation if I maintainehis ideals of nation.
I'll since now informing that I'll colonize big tracks of land, since I'm the country which is navaly more powerful and I have no completion from Spain.

Have a good day and thanks to eurononia (that isn't his name probably but I'll RP him that.

Yeah, no. You'll be colonizing as big tracts of land as we allow. And Spain isn't the only competition around.

This is exactly why I've been opposing the time skip. I knew that people would go all "zomg free land ololololo".

[Great Nepal]

I read all of this and this is what I have to say:
You can get Cape Verde.
I think we should timeskip somewhere to the middle odd the century so we have a more realistic colonization.
I talked to the former RPer of Great Portugal and he agreed me to get his nation if I maintainehis ideals of nation.
I'll since now informing that I'll colonize big tracks of land, since I'm the country which is navaly more powerful and I have no completion from Spain.

Have a good day and thanks to eurononia (that isn't his name probably but I'll RP him that.

Yeah, no. You'll be colonizing as big tracts of land as we allow. And Spain isn't the only competition around.

This is exactly why I've been opposing the time skip. I knew that people would go all "zomg free land ololololo".

There will be colonisation starting in new IC. Colonisation starts at 1500 (time when new IC will start)

[Mondrova]

I read all of this and this is what I have to say:
You can get Cape Verde.
I think we should timeskip somewhere to the middle odd the century so we have a more realistic colonization.
I talked to the former RPer of Great Portugal and he agreed me to get his nation if I maintainehis ideals of nation.
I'll since now informing that I'll colonize big tracks of land, since I'm the country which is navaly more powerful and I have no completion from Spain.

Have a good day and thanks to eurononia (that isn't his name probably but I'll RP him that.

Yeah, no. You'll be colonizing as big tracts of land as we allow. And Spain isn't the only competition around.

This is exactly why I've been opposing the time skip. I knew that people would go all "zomg free land ololololo".

We could always just, ya know, tell them there land claims are too large.

[Ayreonia]

Yeah, no. You'll be colonizing as big tracts of land as we allow. And Spain isn't the only competition around.

This is exactly why I've been opposing the time skip. I knew that people would go all "zomg free land ololololo".

There will be colonisation starting in new IC. Colonisation starts at 1500 (time when new IC will start)

Yeah, I know. That's my problem. It'll be very hard to do realistically.

[Great Nepal]

There will be colonisation starting in new IC. Colonisation starts at 1500 (time when new IC will start)

Yeah, I know. That's my problem. It'll be very hard to do realistically.

We can just manage it OOC and start with tiny colonies and rp with natives depending on how natives are treated by nation. And we would have faced problem even without timeskip, just latter.

[Victorious Islands of Mitonesia]

Sorry haven't really saw the map... but I propose a treaty with the califate.
One that implies that I'll give them large quantites of gold and silver if he blocks gilbratar.

Btw during the timeskip I've invaded the region of Southern Portugal and I got it 15 years later, as the war between Portugal and Brittania had stop (we agreed on that) and my country army was huge at the time being that the Spanish Kingdom (is he even active) had no chance.

I colonized the atlantic islands of Azores, Madeira and the Canaries and made some settlements in Africa, which earned Great Portugal many gold and ivory.

(Propose in terms of the quantite of land): We colonized most of the east coast of South America (hot zone) and the Northern part of the western coast. We got too some land in Central America. The fight with the natives wasn't very hard has some of them weren't prepared to it and many deceased due to the deseases brought by the sailors.

There is already a one year treaty in place, that was all the Caliphate was willing to agree to at the time. By the by, just so we all know, an invasion on Spanish land will trigger the Caliphates invasion of it as well. The thought will be that by conquering all the lands we can keep it away from such repressive forces such as the extremist Portuguese. I would say they would push fairly far north. Not to worry though, as I have said, the Caliphate will collapse, I would say the only change to the areas we conquer for any nation signing up for them would be that they would have some impressive Islamic architecture and a large Jewish and growing Muslim populace.

Also, the Canaries are a no-go, as they are useful friends to the Caliphate and an attack on them would be war, as they are within the Caliphates sphere of influence and the leader is a personal friend of the Caliph. Also, I am fairly certain none of these islands have elephants on them, correct me if I am wrong, and as for gold, I imagine there is hardly any, if at all.

Now, as for the colonial holdings of this West African nation of mine. http://postimage.org/image/6w44z20a3/ The pink in the America's is what I am going for. The islands that you can tell I have claimed for that are Dominica, Guadeloupe, Barbados, and St. Lucia.

I'm not opposing you to invade Spain, we can get part of it and you the other. I understand the situation with the Canaries and I'll leave them alone and it was the settlements in africa which earned money in gold and Ivory, not the islands...

I claim this part, or that is what I'll claim: http://imageshack.us/f/19/semttulo9ba.png/

[The New Lowlands]

There is already a one year treaty in place, that was all the Caliphate was willing to agree to at the time. By the by, just so we all know, an invasion on Spanish land will trigger the Caliphates invasion of it as well. The thought will be that by conquering all the lands we can keep it away from such repressive forces such as the extremist Portuguese. I would say they would push fairly far north. Not to worry though, as I have said, the Caliphate will collapse, I would say the only change to the areas we conquer for any nation signing up for them would be that they would have some impressive Islamic architecture and a large Jewish and growing Muslim populace.

Also, the Canaries are a no-go, as they are useful friends to the Caliphate and an attack on them would be war, as they are within the Caliphates sphere of influence and the leader is a personal friend of the Caliph. Also, I am fairly certain none of these islands have elephants on them, correct me if I am wrong, and as for gold, I imagine there is hardly any, if at all.

Now, as for the colonial holdings of this West African nation of mine. http://postimage.org/image/6w44z20a3/ The pink in the America's is what I am going for. The islands that you can tell I have claimed for that are Dominica, Guadeloupe, Barbados, and St. Lucia.

I'm not opposing you to invade Spain, we can get part of it and you the other. I understand the situation with the Canaries and I'll leave them alone and it was the settlements in africa which earned money in gold and Ivory, not the islands...

I claim this part, or that is what I'll claim: http://imageshack.us/f/19/semttulo9ba.png/

HEY!
That map has on it what I would have claimed in south america- at least, partially- during the colonial period if Garwall ever confirmed if the Manden Kurufaba was okay or not.

Still waitin', buddy.

[Great Nepal]

I claim this part, or that is what I'll claim: http://imageshack.us/f/19/semttulo9ba.png/

We have not begun colonisation yet (it will start in IC when we timeskip) and to get to that state it will take till say 1600s. Americas and Africa aren't free land. There are natives living there who wont like guys coming in from far away with guns. Plus, there is maintenance, which is pretty darn expensive.
Initially, colonies are nothing more than very expensive dick waving contest.

Plus Ii think we have player who wanted to be Spain.

[Heirosoloa]

-snip-

Yeeaaah, so is anyone else a little mite concerned with all this?
This is entirely counter to the spirit of the timeskip altogether, and I'm not so sure Mitonesia should be given Portugal.

[Parhe]

Latest map still missing Muscovy.
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3249/ourworldb.png

[Mondrova]

There is already a one year treaty in place, that was all the Caliphate was willing to agree to at the time. By the by, just so we all know, an invasion on Spanish land will trigger the Caliphates invasion of it as well. The thought will be that by conquering all the lands we can keep it away from such repressive forces such as the extremist Portuguese. I would say they would push fairly far north. Not to worry though, as I have said, the Caliphate will collapse, I would say the only change to the areas we conquer for any nation signing up for them would be that they would have some impressive Islamic architecture and a large Jewish and growing Muslim populace.

Also, the Canaries are a no-go, as they are useful friends to the Caliphate and an attack on them would be war, as they are within the Caliphates sphere of influence and the leader is a personal friend of the Caliph. Also, I am fairly certain none of these islands have elephants on them, correct me if I am wrong, and as for gold, I imagine there is hardly any, if at all.

Now, as for the colonial holdings of this West African nation of mine. http://postimage.org/image/6w44z20a3/ The pink in the America's is what I am going for. The islands that you can tell I have claimed for that are Dominica, Guadeloupe, Barbados, and St. Lucia.

I'm not opposing you to invade Spain, we can get part of it and you the other. I understand the situation with the Canaries and I'll leave them alone and it was the settlements in africa which earned money in gold and Ivory, not the islands...

I claim this part, or that is what I'll claim: http://imageshack.us/f/19/semttulo9ba.png/

I don't want anybody having nearly that much land at this point. There is a reason I have such reserved colonial holdings.

[Felbah]

If anyone would be happier, I could RP as Ethiopia. That would stop some of the confusion that has been generated now.

[Great Nepal]

I don't want anybody having nearly that much land at this point.

Guys... holdup, aren't we supposed to RP discovery of new world and then RP its colonisation while players in Americas (or NPC) rp the resistance or collaboration? I mean, at start of 1500 (our IC), we wont have any colonies anywhere.

[Parhe]

I'm not opposing you to invade Spain, we can get part of it and you the other. I understand the situation with the Canaries and I'll leave them alone and it was the settlements in africa which earned money in gold and Ivory, not the islands...

I claim this part, or that is what I'll claim: http://imageshack.us/f/19/semttulo9ba.png/

I don't want anybody having nearly that much land at this point.

I am ok with it. For one he never specifically said when he will claim it right off and may be over a century or more. Second, we must remember what we discussed for hours in many the other roleplays; colonial claims are claims and people can make them all they want but it does not mean they will have full effective control or such or that other nations will respect their claims.

[Heirosoloa]

Would anyone mind moving the date back to 1492?

That'll end entirely the idea of pre-existing colonial empires.

[Mondrova]

I don't want anybody having nearly that much land at this point.

Guys... holdup, aren't we supposed to RP discovery of new world and then RP its colonisation while players in Americas (or NPC) rp the resistance or collaboration? I mean, at start of 1500 (our IC), we wont have any colonies anywhere.

Well that would depend. We could skip over the discovery of the new world to 1500 and just assume everyone knows about it as a place. As for the colonies, people can claim them, but of course they will have to contend with the natives. Its like most colonies I believe. The land belongs to nation X because nation X says it does, rather than having eliminated other inhabitants and or populating small portions of the lands they are colonizing.

[Felbah]

Guys... holdup, aren't we supposed to RP discovery of new world and then RP its colonisation while players in Americas (or NPC) rp the resistance or collaboration? I mean, at start of 1500 (our IC), we wont have any colonies anywhere.

Well that would depend. We could skip over the discovery of the new world to 1500 and just assume everyone knows about it as a place. As for the colonies, people can claim them, but of course they will have to contend with the natives. Its like most colonies I believe. The land belongs to nation X because nation X says it does, rather than having eliminated other inhabitants and or populating small portions of the lands they are colonizing.

Yes, but I think that the main area of contesting claims (which will be very fun to RP) will be the colonies.

[Mondrova]

I don't want anybody having nearly that much land at this point.

I am ok with it. For one he never specifically said when he will claim it right off and may be over a century or more. Second, we must remember what we discussed for hours in many the other roleplays; colonial claims are claims and people can make them all they want but it does not mean they will have full effective control or such or that other nations will respect their claims.

Well I assumed from the context of it was the 1500's, but indeed you could be right. As for the second point, I whole heatedly agree. I imagine in many of Spain's vast colonial holdings in the 1500's for example, they had hardly any administration or even Spanish people.

[Parhe]

Would anyone mind moving the date back to 1492?

That'll end entirely the idea of pre-existing colonial empires.

I am not entirely sure eight will make a difference. Realistically with all the changes the New World can be discovered and Africa can be colonized much sooner or later than in RL to the point that eight years does nothing.