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by Sichuan Pepper » Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:24 pm
Mallorea and Riva wrote:Yeah but no one here can read. Literacy is a tool used by fendas, like IRC or morals.
by Frisbeeteria » Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:31 pm
Sichuan Pepper wrote:...so recruiting can be fine tuned to nations you want to target and nations can narrow it to suit what region they are looking for.
by Emirasia » Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:43 pm
by Abatael » Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:44 pm
Emirasia wrote:I was lead to believe NationStates is very much free. This new TG Stamps system is kinda going against what Max Barry said last year... About NationStates remaining free.
But I guess it will stop people spamming...
by Cerian Quilor » Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:56 pm
Sichuan Pepper wrote:Any thoughts on recruitment TG's being able to be properly filtered?
I mean a new nation being able to filter what is coming in to narrow the spamrecruitfest to what they are interested in?
Large region
Small region
Invading
Defending
Roleplay
Offsite Forum
That kind of thing........so recruiting can be fine tuned to nations you want to target and nations can narrow it to suit what region they are looking for.
by [violet] » Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:14 pm
Sedgistan wrote:Yeah, Tramiar is right - Mahaj's questions seem to be leading towards whether a recruiting TG for defending/the UDL would have to be labelled as a recruiting one when sent through the TG system. We haven't set up definite rules for the new TG system, but the answer is probably yes - if you're recruiting, whether for a region or an organisation, you're going to have to label that as a recruiting telegram.
by San Leggera » Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:31 pm
[violet] wrote:The new system basically assumes that "recruitment" == "encouraging the recipient to move regions." That's why it tacks on a "Move to @@REGION@@" button.
by Cerian Quilor » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:13 pm
by Great Nepal » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:42 pm
by San Leggera » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:43 pm
Great Nepal wrote:NS main site went down, can we assume this is to add new TG system?
by Unibot III » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:17 pm
[violet] wrote:Sedgistan wrote:Yeah, Tramiar is right - Mahaj's questions seem to be leading towards whether a recruiting TG for defending/the UDL would have to be labelled as a recruiting one when sent through the TG system. We haven't set up definite rules for the new TG system, but the answer is probably yes - if you're recruiting, whether for a region or an organisation, you're going to have to label that as a recruiting telegram.
The new system basically assumes that "recruitment" == "encouraging the recipient to move regions." That's why it tacks on a "Move to @@REGION@@" button.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Tramiar » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:26 pm
Unibot III wrote:[violet] wrote:The new system basically assumes that "recruitment" == "encouraging the recipient to move regions." That's why it tacks on a "Move to @@REGION@@" button.
I don't understand this though, you don't need to move regions to defend. You can just as easily switch out of the WA and defend with a puppet, then switch the WA back on your main account.. which is what most defenders do already and what I advise defenders to do especially now that the WA Applications are instantaneous. The rules always have assumed that sending someone a message about joining the UDL or defending, means they're going to leave the region to participate in said organization or defending activities -- this is a perversion of what actually goes on.
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I too would ban myself if I saw me moving into my region.
by Unibot III » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:32 pm
Tramiar wrote:Unibot III wrote:
I don't understand this though, you don't need to move regions to defend. You can just as easily switch out of the WA and defend with a puppet, then switch the WA back on your main account.. which is what most defenders do already and what I advise defenders to do especially now that the WA Applications are instantaneous. The rules always have assumed that sending someone a message about joining the UDL or defending, means they're going to leave the region to participate in said organization or defending activities -- this is a perversion of what actually goes on.
Not changing regions doesn't mean it isn't recruiting, and so you should have to follow the recruiting rules that everyone else does, despite you not having a region. Anyway, I'd think this topic would belong in a new thread. It doesn't really have anything to do with the new TG system.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Treznor » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:54 pm
Unibot III wrote:Tramiar wrote:Not changing regions doesn't mean it isn't recruiting, and so you should have to follow the recruiting rules that everyone else does, despite you not having a region. Anyway, I'd think this topic would belong in a new thread. It doesn't really have anything to do with the new TG system.
For one thing, the recruitment system is going to tack on a button that isn't necessary for us. Moreover, the reasons for not having recruitment seem rather diminished when it isn't affecting the competition of UCRs unless UCRers also think they should have control over every organization, every forum, every IRC channel and anything else their members could be invited to join.
Furthermore, I think it is entirely possible for someone who is not interested in joining a new region, to be interested in hearing about new organizations, IRC Channels, forums and other projects. Yet the current system bundles all this together as one category to opt-in or opt-out of based upon where you reside in NS.
by Unibot III » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:01 pm
Treznor wrote:Unibot III wrote:
For one thing, the recruitment system is going to tack on a button that isn't necessary for us. Moreover, the reasons for not having recruitment seem rather diminished when it isn't affecting the competition of UCRs unless UCRers also think they should have control over every organization, every forum, every IRC channel and anything else their members could be invited to join.
Furthermore, I think it is entirely possible for someone who is not interested in joining a new region, to be interested in hearing about new organizations, IRC Channels, forums and other projects. Yet the current system bundles all this together as one category to opt-in or opt-out of based upon where you reside in NS.
Yes, actually, it is necessary for you. If you've got something nifty/wonderful/I really need to know, post a thread and I'll come looking for it. If I don't, then I didn't really need to know. I want spam to be opt-in, not opt-out. That includes announcements about new organizations, IRC channels, forums and other projects. I'm glad you have fun with other stuff, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily fun for anyone else.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by The nordic land of Skyrim » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:03 pm
by San Leggera » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:04 pm
The nordic land of Skyrim wrote:When will this come out
by The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:08 pm
by Tramiar » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:08 pm
Unibot III wrote:because it's quite possible that people who wouldn't want to leave their region, may be interested in hearing about other opportunities in NationStates beside just regions. Currently our rules do not allow for this nuance.
Mallorea and Riva wrote:I too would ban myself if I saw me moving into my region.
by Jamie Anumia » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:10 pm
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:How long is this gun take?
by Treznor » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:11 pm
Unibot III wrote:Treznor wrote:Yes, actually, it is necessary for you. If you've got something nifty/wonderful/I really need to know, post a thread and I'll come looking for it. If I don't, then I didn't really need to know. I want spam to be opt-in, not opt-out. That includes announcements about new organizations, IRC channels, forums and other projects. I'm glad you have fun with other stuff, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily fun for anyone else.
That sounds like general laziness to be honest. "I don't want to hear about this stuff, that's why it must be opt-out!" It'll probably take you a minute to opt-out. The real reason why some are opposing opt-out strategies is because they're worried what others might read in the telegrams, so the "opt-in" functions as a buffer. But if organizations, IRC channels and forums etc. do not pose a threat to UCRs, then I don't see why there should be outrage with them being out-out.
Moreover, that's getting off topic. The question wasn't whether it should be opt-in/opt-out, but whether you should be able to distinguish between UCR Recruitment and Organizational/IRC/Forum Recruitment -- because it's quite possible that people who wouldn't want to leave their region, may be interested in hearing about other opportunities in NationStates beside just regions. Currently our rules do not allow for this nuance.
by The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:11 pm
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