Turanbirligi wrote:
the ümmet is a nonsense. you see that the hilafet stopped existing! A FRIEND OF A TURK CAN BE ONLY ANOTHER TURK-NOT ARAB, KURD, IRANIAN....
now, why is that?
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by United Marktoria » Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:45 pm
Turanbirligi wrote:
the ümmet is a nonsense. you see that the hilafet stopped existing! A FRIEND OF A TURK CAN BE ONLY ANOTHER TURK-NOT ARAB, KURD, IRANIAN....
Conserative Morality wrote:He stares into your soul and says 'If you oppose Freedom, I will rip out your heart and fertilize my fields with your blood, afterwords, I will construct architectural marvels with your bones and write entire books on your cured skin.'
You can tell a lot about a man's intentions from his stare.
Ifreann wrote:I'm an atheist because God spoke to me through a burningpile of evidencebush and said unto me "Go forth, and piss my people off!".
by Abdju » Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:49 pm
by Coffin-Breathe » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:44 am
by Coffin-Breathe » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:47 am
Turanbirligi wrote:
the ümmet is a nonsense. you see that the hilafet stopped existing! A FRIEND OF A TURK CAN BE ONLY ANOTHER TURK-NOT ARAB, KURD, IRANIAN....
by Herrebrugh » Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:58 am
by Soviet Commu-Facism » Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:59 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:Just to clarify, God warned us that those things are wrong, so if someone goes to Hell for it, it's their own fault for not listening! It's like a parent telling a child not to play in traffic.
Unless the parents created the traffic and deliberately made sure it runs right past their house and adamantly refuse to explain to the kids WHY they should not play in the traffic, that comparison fails.
Besides, many of us are now "teenagers". Rebelling and such. If God is anything like human parents he is probably far prouder of the rebel nonbelievers than of the docile followers that merely do as he says.
by The Tofu Islands » Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:10 am
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote: That's more than ridiculous. Okay, that's it, I have made a decision; unless anyone who has read THE WHOLE BIBLE and can remember the main points of it, I will not listen to rebuttals.
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:Also, Satan does exist in the Bible, or did everyone suddenly forget? He isn't powerless, he is the one that put these evil things forward, and it was because of Adam and Eve that the world is so messed up.
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:Dyakov, I can no more prove God's existence to you than I can prove that there is wind to you. Obviously it is there, but I can't prove that to someone who doesn't want to believe it.
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:Bottle, you consider the creator of the Universe evil?
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:You would fight the man that sent his only son to die so that WE, the most undeserving and evil race in the universe, could be saved from Hell?
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:Don't believe me about us being evil? Look up human rights abuse, you'll see what I mean.
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:We don't deserve forgiveness, but we were given it, and here you are saying you would fight the man that wants to save you?
by Slaytesics » Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:15 am
Timurid Empire wrote:I do not understand people like this. How can you fear any human being or interaction with them? We are all Human, and we all bleed the same. Unless their a Hemophiliac.
Ranbo wrote:Heey! I'm not perv!
You name it, you claim it. You were the one that thought of it in the first place. :p
by Warkus » Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:18 am
Small Huts wrote:Alright believers. Let's say I'm willing to grant the supernatural entity's existence, that I've had a personal revelation that leads me to say, "I have felt the presence". Which religion should I follow?
by Callisdrun » Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:12 am
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:The Christian life is one of the hardest lives (if not the hardest) to live because we suffer for our faith.
by Bottle » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:01 am
Callisdrun wrote:Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:The Christian life is one of the hardest lives (if not the hardest) to live because we suffer for our faith.
I'm really tired of this fucking persecution complex some of you guys have. You suffer for your faith? How? You're the goddamn majority in this country, and most western ones. How is that suffering? How is that hard? You find affirmation and acceptance of your spiritual choice everywhere.
Pagans, like myself, are always assumed to be weird, constantly have to put up with idiots (mostly Christians) claiming we worship the devil, or acting as if our faith isn't as real as theirs. And you think being an X-tian is hard? Give me a fucking break. It's not much better for atheists, either. Like pagans, when quite a few people hear that they don't worship their particular deity, they always want to "save" the atheists, or show them "the light" or whatever. Do you have any idea how obnoxious that is? Similarly, it is very hard to get elected to high office if you're not a Christian. People were up in arms over a Congressman being sworn in on a Koran instead of a bible. It's ridiculous.
What are the chances, right now, of an atheist, a pagan, a muslim, a Jew, or a Hindu being elected president? I'd wager that their chances in such a hypothetical election wouldn't be too great.
So don't give me bullshit about how it's so fucking hard to be a Christian. It isn't.
by Bottle » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:06 am
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:Bottle, you consider the creator of the Universe evil?
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote: You would fight the man that sent his only son to die so that WE, the most undeserving and evil race in the universe, could be saved from Hell?
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote: Don't believe me about us being evil? Look up human rights abuse, you'll see what I mean. We don't deserve forgiveness, but we were given it, and here you are saying you would fight the man that wants to save you? No offense, but I think you've read to many comic books stereotyping a greater power as "evil".
by Callisdrun » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:09 am
Bottle wrote:Callisdrun wrote:Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:The Christian life is one of the hardest lives (if not the hardest) to live because we suffer for our faith.
I'm really tired of this fucking persecution complex some of you guys have. You suffer for your faith? How? You're the goddamn majority in this country, and most western ones. How is that suffering? How is that hard? You find affirmation and acceptance of your spiritual choice everywhere.
Pagans, like myself, are always assumed to be weird, constantly have to put up with idiots (mostly Christians) claiming we worship the devil, or acting as if our faith isn't as real as theirs. And you think being an X-tian is hard? Give me a fucking break. It's not much better for atheists, either. Like pagans, when quite a few people hear that they don't worship their particular deity, they always want to "save" the atheists, or show them "the light" or whatever. Do you have any idea how obnoxious that is? Similarly, it is very hard to get elected to high office if you're not a Christian. People were up in arms over a Congressman being sworn in on a Koran instead of a bible. It's ridiculous.
What are the chances, right now, of an atheist, a pagan, a muslim, a Jew, or a Hindu being elected president? I'd wager that their chances in such a hypothetical election wouldn't be too great.
So don't give me bullshit about how it's so fucking hard to be a Christian. It isn't.
Seconded.
Seriously, Western Christians, kindly shut the fuck up about how hard it is to be a poor, poor oppressed majority. You come across like a pampered rich 13 year old boy whining about how HORRIBLY UNFAIR it is that his mansion-owning parent impose a curfew on him.
Just because you believe in Jesus doesn't mean the world will let you off the hook when you act like a jackass. For instance, when you arrogantly and ignorantly claim that anybody who disagrees with you must not have read the Bible, you're acting like a jackass and people are going to respond accordingly. When you arrogantly and ignorantly claim that you know the nature of God and yet fail to provide ANY SUPPORTS TO BACK YOUR VIEW OVER ANYBODY ELSES (yes we are still at that stage), then you're acting like a jackass and people are going to respond accordingly. No, this is not oppression, and no, your hurt feelings are not a war wound.
by Tagmatium » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:13 am
Callisdrun wrote:I've even pissed some off by referring to years as (for example) 1066 CE instead of "AD." Some x-tians really need to get over themselves.
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...
by Callisdrun » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:15 am
by Tagmatium » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:23 am
Callisdrun wrote:
"AD" is equally arbitrary, and the initials stand for a phrase that is an implicit acceptance of Christianity. Jesus Christ may have had some cool ideas, but he is NOT my lord. The start date is inaccurate to his birth anyway.
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...
by EvilDarkMagicians » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:26 am
Callisdrun wrote:
I've even pissed some off by referring to years as (for example) 1066 CE instead of "AD." Some x-tians really need to get over themselves.
by Callisdrun » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:26 am
Tagmatium wrote:Callisdrun wrote:
"AD" is equally arbitrary, and the initials stand for a phrase that is an implicit acceptance of Christianity. Jesus Christ may have had some cool ideas, but he is NOT my lord. The start date is inaccurate to his birth anyway.
Oh, yeah. I totally agree. But the use of the dates, even with the CE tag, could well be construed as acceptance of Christianity, as that is still when the CE thing starts, unless there's another reason for it being there.
I suppose it's just that I'm still surrounded by AD, and it'd be a bitch to actually change over. I'd probably have to go through a lot of books with Tippex or something
by Callisdrun » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:29 am
by Tagmatium » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:34 am
Callisdrun wrote:Christianity is fairly significant historically, at least for Europe. Using it as a historical dividing line isn't what I object to. Only what "AD" actually means. Hence why I won't say it, it would be a lie.
North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...
by Muravyets » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:07 am
Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:So now officially everyone is a liar? Okay then, I refuse to believe that the world is round until I see it with my own eyes! Please, it's almost as if your saying that every single story about someone having a personal experience with God is a lie. <snip>
by Muravyets » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:14 am
Bottle wrote:I have posed this very question several times over the years, and been quite sincere about it. I've sat down with believers and told them that if they can honestly explain to me why I should worship their God then I'll give it all the fair consideration I can.
I've yet to be given any convincing reason to believe in any God. The best most people can come up with is something about the afterlife, but I don't particularly want an afterlife so that's not really a good bargaining chip with me. They sometimes try to threaten me with Hell or something, but that tends to backfire because I'm not willing to worship a being who would torture otherwise-innocent people for all eternity simply because they didn't worship correctly.
by Kobrania » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:17 am
by UNIverseVERSE » Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:17 am
Bottle wrote:Callisdrun wrote:Soviet Commu-Facism wrote:The Christian life is one of the hardest lives (if not the hardest) to live because we suffer for our faith.
I'm really tired of this fucking persecution complex some of you guys have. You suffer for your faith? How? You're the goddamn majority in this country, and most western ones. How is that suffering? How is that hard? You find affirmation and acceptance of your spiritual choice everywhere.
Pagans, like myself, are always assumed to be weird, constantly have to put up with idiots (mostly Christians) claiming we worship the devil, or acting as if our faith isn't as real as theirs. And you think being an X-tian is hard? Give me a fucking break. It's not much better for atheists, either. Like pagans, when quite a few people hear that they don't worship their particular deity, they always want to "save" the atheists, or show them "the light" or whatever. Do you have any idea how obnoxious that is? Similarly, it is very hard to get elected to high office if you're not a Christian. People were up in arms over a Congressman being sworn in on a Koran instead of a bible. It's ridiculous.
What are the chances, right now, of an atheist, a pagan, a muslim, a Jew, or a Hindu being elected president? I'd wager that their chances in such a hypothetical election wouldn't be too great.
So don't give me bullshit about how it's so fucking hard to be a Christian. It isn't.
Seconded.
Seriously, Western Christians, kindly shut the fuck up about how hard it is to be a poor, poor oppressed majority. You come across like a pampered rich 13 year old boy whining about how HORRIBLY UNFAIR it is that his mansion-owning parent impose a curfew on him.
Just because you believe in Jesus doesn't mean the world will let you off the hook when you act like a jackass. For instance, when you arrogantly and ignorantly claim that anybody who disagrees with you must not have read the Bible, you're acting like a jackass and people are going to respond accordingly. When you arrogantly and ignorantly claim that you know the nature of God and yet fail to provide ANY SUPPORTS TO BACK YOUR VIEW OVER ANYBODY ELSES (yes we are still at that stage), then you're acting like a jackass and people are going to respond accordingly. No, this is not oppression, and no, your hurt feelings are not a war wound.
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