Israel-Palestine conflict

[Conserative Morality]

must resist...

i like to think i'm a moderate but i'm probably just as bad as the worst posters here. at least i'm not advocating ethnic cleansing or genocide, so there's that.

The worst posters here *are* advocating ethnic cleansing and genocide.

So you're definitely above that standard, at least.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

You are unintentionally or intentionally misrepresenting my words. Christians can go to almost any country and not get persecuted against. I'm 150% against a 100% Jewish state BUT there needs to be at least ONE state where Jews aren't the tiny hated minority.

There are plenty. What, do the Americas no longer exist? Or Western Europe?

In Denmark, you can't go outside with a kippah anymore. Even in America, Anti-Semitism exists and is growing.

[Divair]

must resist...

i like to think i'm a moderate but i'm probably just as bad as the worst posters here. at least i'm not advocating ethnic cleansing or genocide, so there's that.

The worst posters here *are* advocating ethnic cleansing and genocide.

So you're definitely above that standard, at least.

Standards are so low these days.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Samonaemia calls for killing 5.7 million jews and uses the flag of a terrorist group. I call for a 2 state solution and everyone living in peace.

I suppose Samonaemia is more offensive. Regardless, your polite indifference towards the Palestinians I find very troubling.

If "polite indifference" is your way of saying "looking for the best solution" then YES.

[Conserative Morality]

In Denmark, you can't go outside with a kippah anymore. Even in America, Anti-Semitism exists and is growing.

Uh huh.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Potlitomaha, are you going to respond to my rebuttal that the Haganah did in fact kick Palestinians out of their homes?

If you can't spell it right then just say Pot.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Potlitomaha, are you going to respond to my rebuttal that the Haganah did in fact kick Palestinians out of their homes?

If you can't spell it right then just say Pot.

Is that a concession, or a clumsy, failed dodge?

[Spiritwolf]

God I hate the way people talk about this conflict. So many people with no empathy whatsoever for the other side. Or perhaps it's, to again quote Jabotinsky from my giant post that nobody read, "polite indifference".

I'm having hard time deciding who's views I'm more offended by; Samonaemia's or Potlitomaha's.

The vast majority of palestinians that chose to leave left because they were admonished to by their religious leaders. Some may have been forcibly removed as well, and they should have been. All of them need to go...... peacefully or simply shot where they stand, their choice. Enough is enough.

Dodge this.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

If you can't spell it right then just say Pot.

Is that a concession, or a clumsy, failed dodge?

I already responded to his point a few pages ago.

[EnragedMaldivians]

The vast majority of palestinians that chose to leave left because they were admonished to by their religious leaders. Some may have been forcibly removed as well, and they should have been. All of them need to go...... peacefully or simply shot where they stand, their choice. Enough is enough.

Dodge this.

Dodge what? It's 12 30 am and I'm not allowed to sleep? I'll respond to your point more comprehensively in the morning. But for now:

I suppose the Haganah's Plan Dalet involved going up to Palestinian houses, politely knocking on their doors and asking them if they'd like to leave their houses? Seriously, this is stuff the Israelis declassified years ago. Palestinian Arabs were in fact kicked out of their homes during the Nakba.

If you think Palestinians deserve to be removed from Jerusalem, frankly, (and I wouldn't normally dream of saying this to an Israeli or a Jew in general), you are no better than a Nazi. Like I said, if anyone tries to kick Palestinians out of Jerusalem, I have no concern whatsoever for his or her life. They'll deserve whatever retaliation is directed at them.

As for Potlimitomaha, I apologise for mispelling your name, but your responses for the most part have been quite worthless, seeing as that you very evidently do not read what you are presented with.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

You are unintentionally or intentionally misrepresenting my words. Christians can go to almost any country and not get persecuted against. I'm 150% against a 100% Jewish state BUT there needs to be at least ONE state where Jews aren't the tiny hated minority.

I actually agree on that. As we've seen in Darfur, Indonesia, and elsewhere, the World doesn't actually give a shit about you, especially if you fall under the jurisdiction of certain World Powers.

A Jewish country, looking out for Jewish interests and serving as a place Jews can move to if the country they're living in suddenly decides that the order of the day is to murder Jews, is necessary.

Israel has since 1948 taken millions of Jews, many of whom were kicked out of the countries they had been living in for centuries before Islam.

The Philippines will always defend Filipinos', Germany will always defend Germans, and Israel must exist to defend the Jews.

Finally someone else has entered into reality.

[EnragedMaldivians]

I actually agree on that. As we've seen in Darfur, Indonesia, and elsewhere, the World doesn't actually give a shit about you, especially if you fall under the jurisdiction of certain World Powers.

A Jewish country, looking out for Jewish interests and serving as a place Jews can move to if the country they're living in suddenly decides that the order of the day is to murder Jews, is necessary.

Israel has since 1948 taken millions of Jews, many of whom were kicked out of the countries they had been living in for centuries before Islam.

The Philippines will always defend Filipinos', Germany will always defend Germans, and Israel must exist to defend the Jews.

Finally someone else has entered into reality.

If, say, the Arabs within Israeli borders start to outnumber the Jews, would you think it would be justified to relocate them to "preserve the ethnic character of Israel"?

[Bleckonia]

Finally someone else has entered into reality.

If, say, the Arabs within Israeli borders start to outnumber the Jews, would you think it would be justified to relocate them to "preserve the ethnic character of Israel"?

I think what he is trying to say is that there should be a safe haven for Jewish people.

[EnragedMaldivians]

If, say, the Arabs within Israeli borders start to outnumber the Jews, would you think it would be justified to relocate them to "preserve the ethnic character of Israel"?

I think what he is trying to say is that there should be a safe haven for Jewish people.

Let him answer. Because I honestly have no objections to Israel's right to exist nor to that anti-semitism is an ugly thing.

But I am asking him, based on his previous posts that Israel must preserve its ethnic character, if Arabs start to outnumber the Jews within Israeli territory would he then feel it justified for Israel to relocate Arabs in order to preserve its "ethnic character".

[Ralkovia]

I think what he is trying to say is that there should be a safe haven for Jewish people.

Let him answer. Because I honestly have no objections to Israel's right to exist nor to that anti-semitism is an ugly thing.

But I am asking him, based on his previous posts that Israel must preserve its ethnic character, if Arabs start to outnumber the Jews within Israeli territory would he then feel it justified for Israel to relocate Arabs in order to preserve its "ethnic character".

There are ways to stop Arabs from outnumbering the Jews without using force or violence. Economic and social benefits/penalties can be used to lead the horse to water.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Let him answer. Because I honestly have no objections to Israel's right to exist nor to that anti-semitism is an ugly thing.

But I am asking him, based on his previous posts that Israel must preserve its ethnic character, if Arabs start to outnumber the Jews within Israeli territory would he then feel it justified for Israel to relocate Arabs in order to preserve its "ethnic character".

There are ways to stop Arabs from outnumbering the Jews without using force or violence. Economic and social benefits/penalties can be used to lead the horse to water.

Can you let Potlimitomaha answer a question I asked Potlimitomaha?

But since you're here, noting that I don't think you're ever serious, what do you think should happen in the hypothetical scenario that Arabs outnumber Jews in Israel?

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

If you think Palestinians deserve to be removed from Jerusalem, frankly, (and I wouldn't normally dream of saying this to an Israeli or a Jew in general), you are no better than a Nazi.

Agreed.

As for Potlimitomaha, I apologise for mispelling your name, but your responses for the most part have been quite worthless, seeing as that you very evidently do not read what you are presented with.

if you have trouble typing it then just call me Pot. You don't need to apoligize. I'm just trying to help.Though, what exactly did I not read?

[Ralkovia]

There are ways to stop Arabs from outnumbering the Jews without using force or violence. Economic and social benefits/penalties can be used to lead the horse to water.

Can you let Potlimitomaha answer a question I asked Potlimitomaha?

But since you're here, noting that I don't think you're ever serious, what do you think should happen in the hypothetical scenario that Arabs outnumber Jews in Israel?

Well, first of all the my plan would happen before they outnumber Jews.
1) Raise taxes ridiculously high on anyone with over 3 kids.
2) Make the Hasidics their own nation.
3) Educate the Arab Women more than the Arab men, giving them an open path to college.
4) Hand over territory that you don't want to Palestine.

Wait. Why don't you think I'm serious?

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Finally someone else has entered into reality.

If, say, the Arabs within Israeli borders start to outnumber the Jews, would you think it would be justified to relocate them to "preserve the ethnic character of Israel"?

How would Arabs outnumber Jews in Israel????? Why would Arabs want to migrate????? I don't think your scenario is realoistic in any real world.

[Dilange]

Can you let Potlimitomaha answer a question I asked Potlimitomaha?

But since you're here, noting that I don't think you're ever serious, what do you think should happen in the hypothetical scenario that Arabs outnumber Jews in Israel?

Well, first of all the my plan would happen before they outnumber Jews.
1) Raise taxes ridiculously high on anyone with over 3 kids.
2) Make the Hasidics their own nation.
3) Educate the Arab Women more than the Arab men, giving them an open path to college.
4) Hand over territory that you don't want to Palestine.

Wait. Why don't you think I'm serious?

Besides a bit of number three and four, I would probably vote on it.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

I think what he is trying to say is that there should be a safe haven for Jewish people.

Let him answer. Because I honestly have no objections to Israel's right to exist nor to that anti-semitism is an ugly thing.

But I am asking him, based on his previous posts that Israel must preserve its ethnic character, if Arabs start to outnumber the Jews within Israeli territory would he then feel it justified for Israel to relocate Arabs in order to preserve its "ethnic character".

if Arabs start to outnumber the Jews within Israeli territory would he then feel it justified for Israel to relocate Arabs in order to preserve its "ethnic character" -considering there's a dozen Arab countries, YES.

[Dilange]

Let him answer. Because I honestly have no objections to Israel's right to exist nor to that anti-semitism is an ugly thing.

But I am asking him, based on his previous posts that Israel must preserve its ethnic character, if Arabs start to outnumber the Jews within Israeli territory would he then feel it justified for Israel to relocate Arabs in order to preserve its "ethnic character".

if Arabs start to outnumber the Jews within Israeli territory would he then feel it justified for Israel to relocate Arabs in order to preserve its "ethnic character" -considering there's a dozen Arab countries, YES.

Definately because we all know how relocating the Armenians from Turkey during the 1910s and relocating the Jews during WW2 went so well and we not flawed in any way.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

if Arabs start to outnumber the Jews within Israeli territory would he then feel it justified for Israel to relocate Arabs in order to preserve its "ethnic character" -considering there's a dozen Arab countries, YES.

Definately because we all know how relocating the Armenians from Turkey during the 1910s and relocating the Jews during WW2 went so well and we not flawed in any way.

There are 2 ways the Arabs would outnumber Jews in Israel. One- EXTREME amounts of soldiers basicly destroy the IDF-Bye Divair you're now dead. TWO- Extreme amount of citizens migrate to Israel. There are non-violent ways to get them out-deport illegals, ban employing illegals, etc.

[Dilange]

There are 2 ways the Arabs would outnumber Jews in Israel. One- EXTREME amounts of soldiers basicly destroy the IDF-Bye Divair you're now dead.

Watch it, I see that as a flame.

But I digress, IDF is one of the world's best armed forces. Israel has won every battle they have had against their neighbors. I really doubt the Arab armeiscould invade Israel.

TWO- Extreme amount of citizens migrate to Israel. There are non-violent ways to get them out-deport illegals, ban employing illegals, etc.

In terms of refugees? If Israel does those edicts that you mentioned, they can be listed a refugee-unfriendly nation....which loses them many points in the international community.

[Sulamalik]

Definately because we all know how relocating the Armenians from Turkey during the 1910s and relocating the Jews during WW2 went so well and we not flawed in any way.

There are 2 ways the Arabs would outnumber Jews in Israel. One- EXTREME amounts of soldiers basicly destroy the IDF-Bye Divair you're now dead. TWO- Extreme amount of citizens migrate to Israel. There are non-violent ways to get them out-deport illegals, ban employing illegals, etc.

Or Israeli arabs having more babies than non-arabs, that's also a valid way for demographics to change.

But we can just take a lesson from China and force arab women to get abortions after the first child.

(kidding... hopefully)