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Postby Zanzar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:46 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
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I eliminated the National Sex Offender Registry and created an International Sex Offender Database.

Which doesn't make it any more of an international issue than it was previously.



Indeed it does, Sex Offenders cross borders and now every nation can protect itself by having access to the registry.
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Postby Alqania » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:52 am

"The Queendom is vehemently opposed to this breach of privacy and violation of the presumption of innocence", Lord Raekevik announced. "Sex offenders in the Queendom are sentenced to criminal rehabilitation and are committed to such an institution until a competent authority is satisfied that they are fully rehabilitated and no longer pose a threat to society. Consequently, a released convict must no longer be treated as a convict by Alqanian authorities. Furthermore, we are concerned about this proposal's potential effect of increased vigilantism."

"Oh and immigrating sex offenders who have not been rehabilitated are deemed a threat to society and are committed to criminal rehabilitation as if they had been sentenced in the Queendom, provided that the act for which they were convicted is a sex offence in the Queendom and that their guilt has been proven by a competent authority."
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Postby The balkens » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:55 am

I approve it if this goes further

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:58 am

Zanzar wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:Which doesn't make it any more of an international issue than it was previously.



Indeed it does, Sex Offenders cross borders and now every nation can protect itself by having access to the registry.


I'll just quote this as reiterating the same thing over and over gets wearisome...

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How so? Sex Offenders are in every country, in every culture and every race. Very much an international issue.

So are music and dancing, ambassador. Does that mean we should have resolutions regulating those, too?
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Postby Zanzar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:30 am

Alqania wrote:"The Queendom is vehemently opposed to this breach of privacy and violation of the presumption of innocence", Lord Raekevik announced. "Sex offenders in the Queendom are sentenced to criminal rehabilitation and are committed to such an institution until a competent authority is satisfied that they are fully rehabilitated and no longer pose a threat to society. Consequently, a released convict must no longer be treated as a convict by Alqanian authorities. Furthermore, we are concerned about this proposal's potential effect of increased vigilantism."

"Oh and immigrating sex offenders who have not been rehabilitated are deemed a threat to society and are committed to criminal rehabilitation as if they had been sentenced in the Queendom, provided that the act for which they were convicted is a sex offence in the Queendom and that their guilt has been proven by a competent authority."



Then wouldn't once a person is out of Rehab have their conviction overturned? Then they would be taken off the list?
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Postby Zanzar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:34 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
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Indeed it does, Sex Offenders cross borders and now every nation can protect itself by having access to the registry.


I'll just quote this as reiterating the same thing over and over gets wearisome...

San Leggera wrote:So are music and dancing, ambassador. Does that mean we should have resolutions regulating those, too?
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[[Also, you're confusing multinational with international.]]


As soon as one Sex Offender crossed a border it became an international issue. Technically a WA resolution to regulate Ambassadors would be an international issue, just an issue without support.
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Postby Three Weasels » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:39 am

One huge problem with this: what constitutes a sexual offender? Some nations will not have the same standard as yours. In fact, "sex offender" may not even be a classification in some nations. Others may make sex offenders out of minor sexual deviants. This is open to abuse.

Tell us, as mustala itasi, how are homo sapiens a threat to us in this respect? The chance of species-on-species sexual assault is very low.
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Postby Zanzar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:51 am

Three Weasels wrote:One huge problem with this: what constitutes a sexual offender? Some nations will not have the same standard as yours. In fact, "sex offender" may not even be a classification in some nations. Others may make sex offenders out of minor sexual deviants. This is open to abuse.

Tell us, as mustala itasi, how are homo sapiens a threat to us in this respect? The chance of species-on-species sexual assault is very low.


Classification is in the OP. If none of these things rape molestation are crimes in your nation then you don't put them in the database. However if it is a crime (described in the OP) that classifys a person Sexual Offender then that country's government reports it to the database.
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Postby Zanzar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:00 am

Yes Im Biop wrote:
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Changed so that is is now an International Registry.


That's even worse. We like to keep our criminal's In our boarder's. As well as having different sexual law's then other nation's. A sex Offender from one nation may simply be someone with odd Kink's in ours.


So you don't have sexual crimes? If that is the case then you don't need to report to the database? If a crime makes you classified as a Sex Offender (defined in OP) then you report it.
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Postby Three Weasels » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:01 am

Zanzar wrote:
Three Weasels wrote:One huge problem with this: what constitutes a sexual offender? Some nations will not have the same standard as yours. In fact, "sex offender" may not even be a classification in some nations. Others may make sex offenders out of minor sexual deviants. This is open to abuse.

Tell us, as mustala itasi, how are homo sapiens a threat to us in this respect? The chance of species-on-species sexual assault is very low.


Classification is in the OP. If none of these things rape molestation are crimes in your nation then you don't put them in the database. However if it is a crime (described in the OP) that classifys a person Sexual Offender then that country's government reports it to the database.

So by this logic, all member nations who think this is pointless, simply just rename the crime and don' have to contribute to this. Nice.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:17 am

Zanzar wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
I'll just quote this as reiterating the same thing over and over gets wearisome...



As soon as one Sex Offender crossed a border it became an international issue. Technically a WA resolution to regulate Ambassadors would be an international issue, just an issue without support.

No, that doesn't make it an international issue.
If he's been convicted and punished in his own country under their own laws, as far as we're concerned he's paid his debt to society; he's broken no laws in our country, and so we will not persecute him.

Also, we find this registry to have great potential for misuse. In some countries simply having sex outside of marriage is a crime; are we to be forced to label people convicted of that as sex offenders even though they've been convicted of an act that is legal in our country?
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Postby Oceanic people » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:21 am

Zanzar wrote:Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Significant

Realizing that sex offenders can be a part of everyday life and can endanger the general populace.

Further Realizing that Sex Offenders are often times repeat offenders.


Hereby Requires all World Assembly Nations to report Convicted Sex Offenders to the International Sex Offender Database.

Thereby creates the International Sex Offender Database.

Further Declares the international Sex Offender Database be public knowledge and easily accessible to a rational being.

Mandates that once a Sex Offender is confirmed on the International Sex Offender Registry said Sex Offender cannot be taken off the International Sex Offender Registry.
Unless:
A. Said person's conviction is overturned.
B. The individual becomes deceased.



Defines a Sex Offender as:
A generic term for all persons convicted of crimes involving sex, including rape, molestation and sexual harassment.

Edit: Took out "pornography clause" from the definition of a Sex Offender.

Edit #2: Added Strength, please comment on a different category if you think there should be one.

Edit #3: Creates an International Registry instead of Individual Registry's.

Please Comment.

The Constitution of the Oceanic Citizens Republic, Article VI, Section 1.6g.1) Death is the sentence for the following capital or otherwise infamous offences: Murder, Assault and Battery with Intent to Kill, Voluntary Manslaughter, Criminal Sexual Conduct of a High and Aggravated nature, Kidnapping, Piracy or the attempt to commit any of these offences, or being an accessory before, during or after the fact of any of these offences and the sentence of Death shall be considered for any offence where the loss of life has resulted from its commission. Because of the severity of the sentence, in Section VI.1.9 Perjury, the bearing of false witness against a Citizen Captain, Subject Citizen, Subject or any person, natural or legal, whether at trial, in an affidavit, oath or affirmation is an offence punishable by Banishment for Life, Banishment on Pain of Death or Death if loss of life has resulted from its commission.
We have no need of Sexual Offender Registration Acts to creat lists to tax people to pay other people to keep track of: we simply eleminate the problem.

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Postby Zanzar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:24 am

No, you cannot just re name a crime and make it not illigal. If you commit a Sexual crime as defined in the OP you must report it. Any crimes that don't fall under the sphere of Sexual Offenses are not reported. You only report what is defined in the OP. So not Sex outside of Marriage etc those are handled in house entirely.
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Postby San Leggera » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:25 am

Zanzar wrote:If you commit a Sexual crime as defined in the OP you must report it.

We will be doing nothing of the sort - our judicial and legal systems are more than capable of handling themselves.
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Postby Zanzar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:27 am

Oceanic people wrote:
Zanzar wrote:Category: Moral Decency
Strength: Significant

Realizing that sex offenders can be a part of everyday life and can endanger the general populace.

Further Realizing that Sex Offenders are often times repeat offenders.


Hereby Requires all World Assembly Nations to report Convicted Sex Offenders to the International Sex Offender Database.

Thereby creates the International Sex Offender Database.

Further Declares the international Sex Offender Database be public knowledge and easily accessible to a rational being.

Mandates that once a Sex Offender is confirmed on the International Sex Offender Registry said Sex Offender cannot be taken off the International Sex Offender Registry.
Unless:
A. Said person's conviction is overturned.
B. The individual becomes deceased.



Defines a Sex Offender as:
A generic term for all persons convicted of crimes involving sex, including rape, molestation and sexual harassment.

Edit: Took out "pornography clause" from the definition of a Sex Offender.

Edit #2: Added Strength, please comment on a different category if you think there should be one.

Edit #3: Creates an International Registry instead of Individual Registry's.

Please Comment.

The Constitution of the Oceanic Citizens Republic, Article VI, Section 1.6g.1) Death is the sentence for the following capital or otherwise infamous offences: Murder, Assault and Battery with Intent to Kill, Voluntary Manslaughter, Criminal Sexual Conduct of a High and Aggravated nature, Kidnapping, Piracy or the attempt to commit any of these offences, or being an accessory before, during or after the fact of any of these offences and the sentence of Death shall be considered for any offence where the loss of life has resulted from its commission. Because of the severity of the sentence, in Section VI.1.9 Perjury, the bearing of false witness against a Citizen Captain, Subject Citizen, Subject or any person, natural or legal, whether at trial, in an affidavit, oath or affirmation is an offence punishable by Banishment for Life, Banishment on Pain of Death or Death if loss of life has resulted from its commission.
We have no need of Sexual Offender Registration Acts to creat lists to tax people to pay other people to keep track of: we simply eleminate the problem.


Then you would merely report it until the individual is deceased. As defined in the OP.
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Postby Zanzar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:29 am

San Leggera wrote:
Zanzar wrote:If you commit a Sexual crime as defined in the OP you must report it.

We will be doing nothing of the sort - our judicial and legal systems are more than capable of handling themselves.
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You would be handling it yourself, handing out the punishment etc, etc. You only have to report Sexual offense as defined in the OP.
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Postby Tuthina » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:37 am

Zanzar wrote:No, you cannot just re name a crime and make it not illigal. If you commit a Sexual crime as defined in the OP you must report it. Any crimes that don't fall under the sphere of Sexual Offenses are not reported. You only report what is defined in the OP. So not Sex outside of Marriage etc those are handled in house entirely.

OOC: Sex outside of marriage involves sex, so if it is considered a crime in a nation, then it will be reported and filed under the resolution's definition. The fact that the difference between rape and consensual sex, especially of minor, is highly dependent on the age of majority, which differs between nations, also means that the legality of each "sex offenders" would be different.

Not to mention our main concern: why should we be reporting whatever crimes we have to the international society? And why only sex crimes?
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Postby San Leggera » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:39 am

Zanzar wrote:
San Leggera wrote:We will be doing nothing of the sort - our judicial and legal systems are more than capable of handling themselves.
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You would be handling it yourself, handing out the punishment etc, etc. You only have to report Sexual offense as defined in the OP.

No, no and no. This is extreme and pointless micromanagement, and I recommend you drop this proposal.
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Postby Reichsland » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:48 am

Arkiasis wrote:Someone can be falsely convicted and then end up on a Sexual Offenders List thus ruining their life forever despite being innocent. Arkiasis is strongly against this resolution.


This is a point.

This walks a fine line between national affair and international affair. If your worried about them leaving the country, pass a national law stating that its mandatory for every airline or travel service to background check every customer. Or something similar. Then again, like it has been stated, it would be easier for law enforcement or whomever to access a international database rather than contacting another nation to ask for info.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:53 am

Zanzar wrote:No, you cannot just re name a crime and make it not illigal. If you commit a Sexual crime as defined in the OP you must report it. Any crimes that don't fall under the sphere of Sexual Offenses are not reported. You only report what is defined in the OP. So not Sex outside of Marriage etc those are handled in house entirely.

Report what's defined in the proposal? Let's see...
Defines a Sex Offender as:
A generic term for all persons convicted of crimes involving sex, including rape, molestation and sexual harassment.

Sexual harassment...

So whistling at a woman and saying "Hey baby, nice jugs!" is now a sex crime to be treated the same manner as rape?

I echo San Leggera and advise you to drop this proposal at once, it is 100% Grade A Bullshit.
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Postby Zanzar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:58 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Zanzar wrote:No, you cannot just re name a crime and make it not illigal. If you commit a Sexual crime as defined in the OP you must report it. Any crimes that don't fall under the sphere of Sexual Offenses are not reported. You only report what is defined in the OP. So not Sex outside of Marriage etc those are handled in house entirely.

Report what's defined in the proposal? Let's see...
Defines a Sex Offender as:
A generic term for all persons convicted of crimes involving sex, including rape, molestation and sexual harassment.

Sexual harassment...

So whistling at a woman and saying "Hey baby, nice jugs!" is now a sex crime to be treated the same manner as rape?

I echo San Leggera and advise you to drop this proposal at once, it is 100% Grade A Bullshit.


It is merely reported to an international database, but remember only if convicted in the home country. If your home judicial system does not convict an individual then it is not reported. It is totally up to our nation who gets convicted and reported and who is not.
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Postby Zanzar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:59 am

Reichsland wrote:
Arkiasis wrote:Someone can be falsely convicted and then end up on a Sexual Offenders List thus ruining their life forever despite being innocent. Arkiasis is strongly against this resolution.


This is a point.

This walks a fine line between national affair and international affair. If your worried about them leaving the country, pass a national law stating that its mandatory for every airline or travel service to background check every customer. Or something similar. Then again, like it has been stated, it would be easier for law enforcement or whomever to access a international database rather than contacting another nation to ask for info.



Already added a clause that you get off the list if your conviction is overturned.
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Postby Zanzar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:03 am

Tuthina wrote:
Zanzar wrote:No, you cannot just re name a crime and make it not illigal. If you commit a Sexual crime as defined in the OP you must report it. Any crimes that don't fall under the sphere of Sexual Offenses are not reported. You only report what is defined in the OP. So not Sex outside of Marriage etc those are handled in house entirely.

OOC: Sex outside of marriage involves sex, so if it is considered a crime in a nation, then it will be reported and filed under the resolution's definition. The fact that the difference between rape and consensual sex, especially of minor, is highly dependent on the age of majority, which differs between nations, also means that the legality of each "sex offenders" would be different.

Not to mention our main concern: why should we be reporting whatever crimes we have to the international society? And why only sex crimes?



I will edit do that it is not "any crime involving sex." your right that is too broad. And you report crimes so that the international community can keep tabs on Sex Offenders and keep youth safer. Remember Sex Offenders can cross borders.
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